Plenum or Insanity?

florida joe

florida joe

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Originally Posted by Kelly
http:///forum/post/2574122
Looks like Caulerpa prolifera, try searching on it in Google.
Actually my friend I think its Caulerpa brachypus But I am really hopping its Caulerpa prolifera native to Florida, i would hate to think my LFS was selling the super invasive brachypus
 
scopus tang

scopus tang

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Joe, my friend that is one nice looking tank! My compliments to its gardener! Based on the texts, I would I.d. the macro as Caulerpa prolifera, but I've limited access to internet from home and Caulerpa brachypus is not shown in the texts. I'll double check tomorrow from school. As I'm sure your aware, that macro is covered with Aiptasia anemones; you can try treating them, but where it me, I'd throw that in the incinerator and order some C. prolifera online. That way you are assured of getting what you want, without the nuisance anemones.
Sorry for the misunderstanding regarding the set-up, obviously you are indeed way ahead of me.
Just out of curiosity, have you considered replacing the bioballs in your sump with live rock? We've done that on a number of systems here with very good success, and it eliminates the need for monthly maintence on the bioballs.
I'll check the hitchhiker thread and get back to you.
Randy
 
scopus tang

scopus tang

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Joe, my friend that is one nice looking tank! My compliments to its gardener! Based on the texts, I would I.d. the macro as Caulerpa prolifera, but I've limited access to internet from home and Caulerpa brachypus is not shown in the texts. I'll double check tomorrow from school. As I'm sure your aware, that macro is covered with Aiptasia anemones; you can try treating them, but where it me, I'd throw that in the incinerator and order some C. prolifera online. That way you are assured of getting what you want, without the nuisance anemones.
Lol Sorry for the misunderstanding regarding the set-up, obviously you are indeed way ahead of me.
Just out of curiosity, have you considered replacing the bioballs in your sump with live rock? We've done that on a number of systems here with very good success, and it eliminates the need for monthly maintence on the bioballs.
I'll check the hitchhiker thread and get back to you.
Randy
 
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dennis210

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Guys "Great thread"!
Thoughts - ever thought of the red macro algea sold to feed tangs, since you want tofeed harvested portions to tank. Most calupera (grape and fern) that I have dealt with will not be eaten by fish and well grow like crazy when introduced to DT.
Restricted flow over mud - The baffled wall system I incorpoate into sumps will allow mixing of the water, but the majority of the current will pass over the surface of the mud chamber. Randy might explain it better as he has seen the baffled walls I use.
Burrowing critters! Within 6 months of setting up a system I find things put into the sump/refugium in the main and visa versa. Gametes produced by them seem to infiltrate the water column and spread throughout the system.
Once again a great thread to read!
 
florida joe

florida joe

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Originally Posted by Scopus Tang
http:///forum/post/2574629
Joe, my friend that is one nice looking tank! My compliments to its gardener! Based on the texts, I would I.d. the macro as Caulerpa prolifera, but I've limited access to internet from home and Caulerpa brachypus is not shown in the texts. I'll double check tomorrow from school. As I'm sure your aware, that macro is covered with Aiptasia anemones; you can try treating them, but where it me, I'd throw that in the incinerator and order some C. prolifera online. That way you are assured of getting what you want, without the nuisance anemones.
Lol Sorry for the misunderstanding regarding the set-up, obviously you are indeed way ahead of me.
Just out of curiosity, have you considered replacing the bioballs in your sump with live rock? We've done that on a number of systems here with very good success, and it eliminates the need for monthly maintence on the bioballs.
I'll check the hitchhiker thread and get back to you.
Randy
Randy believe it or not I did not see the aptasia until I posted the pic. I seriously considering getting rid of the bio balls and going with the live rock but the way the sump is set up illuminating the sump would be a problem as well as keeping the rock totally submerged. The cleaning of the bio-balls seems to me to be the easier and safer way to go what I would be gaining in denitrification with the live rock was out weight by the greater area the bio-balls gave me for nitrification process as they dont have to be totaly submerged. The set up only allows a minimum height of rock totally submerged
 
florida joe

florida joe

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Originally Posted by Dennis210
http:///forum/post/2574893
Guys "Great thread"!
Thoughts - ever thought of the red macro algea sold to feed tangs, since you want tofeed harvested portions to tank. Most calupera (grape and fern) that I have dealt with will not be eaten by fish and well grow like crazy when introduced to DT.
Restricted flow over mud - The baffled wall system I incorpoate into sumps will allow mixing of the water, but the majority of the current will pass over the surface of the mud chamber. Randy might explain it better as he has seen the baffled walls I use.
Burrowing critters! Within 6 months of setting up a system I find things put into the sump/refugium in the main and visa versa. Gametes produced by them seem to infiltrate the water column and spread throughout the system.
Once again a great thread to read!
Dennis welcome aboard. The harvesting for food is just an added plus the Caulerpa was chosen for its fast growth rate thus the speedy nutrient export. I am giving a lot of thought to the influent water I may elbow the vertical PVC run a length of PVC horizontal along the with of the refug (34 inches) and drill numerous holes in it (my sons job) to eliminate surge. I am also trying to come up with a way to incorporate a poly-filter on the effluent side to prohibit the introduction of Caulerpa into my DT
 
florida joe

florida joe

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Originally Posted by NOTSONOOB
http:///forum/post/2574045
Just a side note.
I've been reading more and more that some advanced aquarist aren't using a sand bed in the fuge. Just have the algea on the glass bottom. Well, at least some...
I put sand in mine, as I figured that the bugs would like the sand too, but it has me scratching my head of the possibility. I see my cheato loaded with bugs when I first turn on the light, but they disappear as the light stays on.
welcome
I to am aware of the substrate less refuges as well as DT it seems the theory is to suspend the live rock around the thank leave the bottom bare for easy detritus clean up. I just think there is much more to gain with substrate. Mineral release, greater bio colonization, algae rooting. Burrowing organisms and so on
PS bugs are good
 
scopus tang

scopus tang

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Originally Posted by florida joe
http:///forum/post/2574973
Dennis welcome aboard. The harvesting for food is just an added plus the Caulerpa was chosen for its fast growth rate thus the speedy nutrient export. I am giving a lot of thought to the influent water I may elbow the vertical PVC run a length of PVC horizontal along the with of the refug (34 inches) and drill numerous holes in it (my sons job) to eliminate surge. I am also trying to come up with a way to incorporate a poly-filter on the effluent side to prohibit the introduction of Caulerpa into my DT
Joe, be careful with this; with only 8 inches of depth, if enough pressure is generated by the surface skimmer, it will create a rolling current that would definitely disrupt the mud. Its likely the surface skimmer will not generate enough current to cause this issue, but it could; especially if the drilled holes are small enough.
 
florida joe

florida joe

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sorry Randy I may have give you a typo the depth of my refug is 18" I may be over thinking (for me just thinking is a chore) the influent what do you think about just a U tube coming off the influent. thus dissipating the flow surge upward .
As far as the surface skimming the effluent will be discharged 1 inch below the surface of the water and since I am going with Caulerpa an not Cheato and I will some how filter the water at that point I hope to be ok
 
scopus tang

scopus tang

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Originally Posted by florida joe
http:///forum/post/2575196
sorry Randy I may have give you a typo the depth of my refug is 18" I may be over thinking (for me just thinking is a chore) the influent what do you think about just a U tube coming off the influent. thus dissipating the flow surge upward .
Sorry Joe, when I said depth, I was referring to the width of the refugium which you indicated was 8". If it is 18" wide, then you should be fine with the PVC; brought it up, because I have something similar in a 12" wide tank, powered by a maxijet 600, and it continuously moves the course sand grains on the bottom. If you went with a U tube would it be pointing upward or downward? Any idea what the volume of flow out of your surface skimmer will be?
 
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dennis210

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When this sump/refugium is finished I will be expecting to see a pictorial type of post! And speaking of that "Randy" have you posted your new sump install pic's yet?
 
florida joe

florida joe

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Originally Posted by Scopus Tang
http:///forum/post/2575202
Sorry Joe, when I said depth, I was referring to the width of the refugium which you indicated was 8". If it is 18" wide, then you should be fine with the PVC; brought it up, because I have something similar in a 12" wide tank, powered by a maxijet 600, and it continuously moves the course sand grains on the bottom. If you went with a U tube would it be pointing upward or downward? Any idea what the volume of flow out of your surface skimmer will be?
LOL front to back is 8in now we are on the same page
 
scopus tang

scopus tang

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Originally Posted by Dennis210 http:///forum/post/2575221
When this sump/refugium is finished I will be expecting to see a pictorial type of post! And speaking of that "Randy" have you posted your new sump install pic's yet?
I also will be looking forward to the pics. Now see Dennis, that what happens when you don't actually read the entire post
If you had, you would have seen my reference to my thread https://forums.saltwaterfish.com/t/316767/yeah-upgraded-my-sump-refugium in post #16! LOL (caught you!)
 
florida joe

florida joe

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Originally Posted by Dennis210
http:///forum/post/2575221
When this sump/refugium is finished I will be expecting to see a pictorial type of post! And speaking of that "Randy" have you posted your new sump install pic's yet?
Pictorial hell we have been talking to Hollywood about a documentary, Brad Pitt has already shown interest in playing Randy, so far the only one interested in playing me is Joe Pesci .
 
florida joe

florida joe

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Originally Posted by Scopus Tang
http:///forum/post/2575202
Sorry Joe, when I said depth, I was referring to the width of the refugium which you indicated was 8". If it is 18" wide, then you should be fine with the PVC; brought it up, because I have something similar in a 12" wide tank, powered by a maxijet 600, and it continuously moves the course sand grains on the bottom. If you went with a U tube would it be pointing upward or downward? Any idea what the volume of flow out of your surface skimmer will be?
Randy as soon as I have the box in had I will start my plumbing when I “T” into the gravity feed and valve it I will see how long it takes to fill a gallon that should give me a ruff GPH with an error factor for impediment of the water through the refug but I would think I can get a ball park figure that way
 
scopus tang

scopus tang

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Originally Posted by florida joe
http:///forum/post/2575315
Pictorial hell we have been talking to Hollywood about a documentary, Brad Pitt has already shown interest in playing Randy, so far the only one interested in playing me is Joe Pesci .
Brad Pitt! Now that is funny! Someone told me that Arnold Schwarzenegger was considering taking a leave of absence as govenor of California to play your part!
 
scopus tang

scopus tang

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Originally Posted by florida joe
http:///forum/post/2575330
Randy as soon as I have the box in had I will start my plumbing when I “T” into the gravity feed and valve it I will see how long it takes to fill a gallon that should give me a ruff GPH with an error factor for impediment of the water through the refug but I would think I can get a ball park figure that way
Yep, that should give you a reasonable idea of GPH of flow.
 
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