Plenum or Insanity?

[florida joe]

Dennis first let me say anything you bring to the table is more then welcome. I decided to go with just a single divider splitting my refug into two equal parts. I have a piece of plate glass the I will cut. I was thinking alone the lines of six inches. Instead of gluing it to the tank I have some plastic angle I will cu t four small angles glue them to the glass and place it in free standing but with a tight fit once the sand on one side and the mud on the other goes in I think I will be ok and if I ever want to change the orientation of the divider I can.
I was thinking of doubling up egg crate and putting that on the bottom of the mud side then fine plastic screen then the mud on top.
On the sand side I am thinking of going with some broken shell and rock and bits of coral that was up on the beach, I will boil it and hopefully get a one inch sub sand foundation I will put some screen over that then the live sand I am then thinking of putting some screen on top of the sand and a few pieces of live rock. My reasoning for the screen on top of the sand is if I get caulerpa growth on that side I can remove the screen and hopefully get it out with out to much disruption. Any suggestions for lighting would be greatly appreciated
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Joe

 

[scopus tang]

Joe, glad to see your back, was starting to need my fix! Appears that we have a plan. Quick question based on Dennis' concerns on mud filter through the screen; is it possible when you cut your eggcrate to cut outside edges so you can see through the plenum into the outside edge of the eggcrate? This would allow you to visibley monitor sand drift ~ and allow you to take action if too much drifted down into the plenum. Supporting the screen so it doesn't simly collapse and dump its load of sand into the eggcrate on the outside edges would be the issue here, but if you make your screen long enough to stretch under the plenum on the sides we might avoid this issue. Thoughts?

 

[florida joe]

Originally Posted by Scopus Tang
http:///forum/post/2580183
Joe, glad to see your back, was starting to need my fix! Appears that we have a plan. Quick question based on Dennis' concerns on mud filter through the screen; is it possible when you cut your eggcrate to cut outside edges so you can see through the plenum into the outside edge of the eggcrate? This would allow you to visibley monitor sand drift ~ and allow you to take action if too much drifted down into the plenum. Supporting the screen so it doesn't simly collapse and dump its load of sand into the eggcrate on the outside edges would be the issue here, but if you make your screen long enough to stretch under the plenum on the sides we might avoid this issue. Thoughts?
First my friend I saved this post for you check out my total posts, yours was my 2000 Thanks for all the help I will give this some thought and get back to you tonigt I did some plumbing to day I will post a pic

 

[florida joe]

Randy it seems you want to challenge my ½ brain, ok if you want to play hard ball lets play. How does this sound I cut pieces of ½ inch PVC glue them to the egg create like legs thus supporting the egg create above the tank bottom so legs, create, screen, sand or mud est. Thus giving us a nice look at the bare bottom (and I have no problem with that at all), which could tell us a lot. Boy I feel the juices flowing now
Also our screen will be big enough to come up the sides holding substraight in I hope

 

[scopus tang]

Originally Posted by florida joe
http:///forum/post/2580410
Randy it seem you want to challenge my ½ brain, ok if you want to play hard ball lets play. How does this sound I cut pieces of ½ inch PVC glue them to the egg create like legs thus supporting the egg create above the tank bottom so legs, create, screen, sand or mud est. Thus giving us a nice look at the bare bottom (and I have no problem with that at all), which could tell us a lot. Boy I feel the juices flowing now
Also our screen will be big enough to come up the sides holding substraight in I hope
Oooohhhh I like it I like it!

Very good that way we'll be able to see exactly whats going on down there ~ excellent my friend, absolutely excellent!

 

[scopus tang]

Originally Posted by florida joe
http:///forum/post/2580391
First my friend I saved this post for you check out my total posts, yours was my 2000 Thanks for all the help I will give this some thought and get back to you tonigt I did some plumbing to day I will post a pic
Good for you! Can't wait to see the pictures! Figured you were plumbing. I started a stand build today, so I kind of got my fix that way too, but wanted to make sure we were still progressing.

 

[florida joe]

Try this on for size a registered trademark Jo-Rangeum

 

[florida joe]

Originally Posted by Scopus Tang
http:///forum/post/2580725
Good for you! Can't wait to see the pictures! Figured you were plumbing. I started a stand build today, so I kind of got my fix that way too, but wanted to make sure we were still progressing.
I will post pics tomorrow morning we are close to a water test on the refug tank in place and I can give you a ball park GPH

 

[scopus tang]

Originally Posted by florida joe
http:///forum/post/2580730
Try this on for size a registered trademark Jo-Rangeum
Oh my goodness! Joe you are too funny!

Originally Posted by florida joe
http:///forum/post/2580734
I will post pics tomorrow morning we are close to a water test on the refug tank in place and I can give you a ball park GPH
Sounds good ~ I'll be looking forward to them. Sounds like we are getting closer and closer. Sorry that you are getting/having to do all the work and all I get to be is the cheerleading section; but I'm trying to do my part;
Go man Go!

 

[scopus tang]

BTW Joe did you see this thread
https://forums.saltwaterfish.com/t/317572/mineral-mud
Guys asking about mineral mud, figured you might be able to help him out

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I'm still lauging over that one "Jo-Rangeum"

 

[florida joe]

Originally Posted by Scopus Tang
http:///forum/post/2580741
Oh my goodness! Joe you are too funny!

Sounds good ~ I'll be looking forward to them. Sounds like we are getting closer and closer. Sorry that you are getting/having to do all the work and all I get to be is the cheerleading section; but I'm trying to do my part;
Go man Go!
Joint venture my friend joint venture

 

[florida joe]

This is my plumbing so far as you can see I cut into the 1-inch gravity feed for my sump put in a T and a valve at the T and vlave I reduced the 1 inch to ½ elbow coupling and valve. MISTAKE I should have put the coupling after the valve so I can stop water from entering the refug and disconnect or just stop water and still keep gravity feeding my sump but no big deal I will cut and turn 180. Now on to plumbing the refug influent I think I am going to go with a short

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out side the tank a 45 elbow and a barb fitting so I can go with tubing from that point and tie it into a barb fitting at the other end of the tank and the pvc feed

 

[scopus tang]

Lost me, aren't the two flexpipes overflows feeding from the tank into the sump? Switching the new joint 180 won't stop water from feeding to the fuge cause it will just come in from the other overflow (unless there is another shut-off that I can't see, which there probably is). All this and a verbal debate with Sepulation at the time time! Joe, you are indeed the man!

Go man go

! To quote an icon, "I love it when a plan comes together!"

 

[scopus tang]

BTW Joe my friend, I know that we've discussed this several times before, and never really reached a conclusion ~ but in light of my very recent and painful

ing disaster with the grape variety of the Caulerpa, I feel that I must bring it up again

. Are we still planning on using caulerpa in the mud side of the fuge. I feel that I must tell you that my disaster occured only 3 days after I harvested a major portion of the grape from my tank; perhaps heat played an issue, perhaps not ~ but the situation does force me to ask the question. Only for the sake of the long term success of our joint venture of course.
Later, I'm off to PM AlienHybridX, and tell him to get the grape out of his DT before it goes sexual on him as well.

 

[florida joe]

This is my plumbing so far as you can see I cut into the 1-inch gravity feed for my sump put in a T and a valve at the T and vlave I reduced the 1 inch to ½ elbow coupling and valve. MISTAKE I should have put the coupling after the valve so I can stop water from entering the refug and disconnect or just stop water and still keep gravity feeding my sump but no big deal I will cut and turn 180. Now on to plumbing the refug influent I think I am going to go with a short

[hr]
out side the tank a 45 elbow and a barb fitting so I can go with tubing from that point and tie it into a barb fitting at the other end of the tank and the pvc feed
Ok randy I guess I am confusing but you will come to know this is the norm. if you look at the ½ inch reduced line from the 1 inch gravity feed you will see that this is the only way water can get into the refug but on that line the valve is after the coupling that is what I am going to turn 180 the only reason i put a valve on the 1 inch is to restrict if i need more water gong to the refug

 

[scopus tang]

Originally Posted by florida joe
http:///forum/post/2582074
Ok randy I guess I am confusing but you will come to know this is the norm. if you look at the ½ inch reduced line from the 1 inch gravity feed you will see that this is the only way water can get into the refug but on that line the valve is after the coupling that is what I am going to turn 180 the only reason i put a valve on the 1 inch is to restrict if i need more water gong to the refug
Ah, my friend, I must apologize, I do indeed now see the issue at hand; and you are indeed correct, the shut-off does need to occur prior to the coupling point on the 1/2" line.

I'm afraid that I confused which shut-off/coupling was being discussed

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[dennis210]

The compression union before the ball valve. If it were after the ball valve then water shut off, undo compression, work on whatever, no water spilling into you! Makes perfect sense to me - if I followed what Joe meant by 180 switch.
Wait till Randy finishes today - I have him helping to hook up both a refugium and a chiller. The tank owners gave us permission to either drill thru floors and back or even thru walls to the next room and back. You know your a reef addict when you begin drilling holes in the walls and ceilings of your home!

 

[dennis210]

Joe - You have created a monster. Randy just suggested we install a plenum in a refugium we are installing today. So like yours he will be able to watch and monitor a plenum in a refugium with miracle mud over it! So much for a quick outing.

 

[florida joe]

Originally Posted by Dennis210
http:///forum/post/2582771
The compression union before the ball valve. If it were after the ball valve then water shut off, undo compression, work on whatever, no water spilling into you! Makes perfect sense to me - if I followed what Joe meant by 180 switch.
Wait till Randy finishes today - I have him helping to hook up both a refugium and a chiller. The tank owners gave us permission to either drill thru floors and back or even thru walls to the next room and back. You know your a reef addict when you begin drilling holes in the walls and ceilings of your home!
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You are correctThe coupling after the 180 will be down flow of the valve

 

[florida joe]

Originally Posted by Dennis210
http:///forum/post/2583073
Joe - You have created a monster. Randy just suggested we install a plenum in a refugium we are installing today. So like yours he will be able to watch and monitor a plenum in a refugium with miracle mud over it! So much for a quick outing.
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