stanlalee
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Originally Posted by Mr_X
http:///forum/post/2675211
i don't know where sedra pumps are manufactured, but italy is not known for it's cutting edge, mechanical technology. i'm just recommending a tried and true component.
Oh, checked out any MV or Aprilia sport bikes lately? Ferrari? Maserati or Lamborghini (until VW took over). Ever heard of OZ wheels? Italy is actually highly regarded for craftsmanship and quality control if not leading technology(which is what we are mostly talking about, there have been no recent revolutions in skimmer design: they are all either air aspirated by a pump or pumped thru a bubble producing nozzle. some work better than others and at this point its probably more willingness to spend time on trial and error than actual technology.
ASMs problem is its pricing (and there have been significant complaints about their build quality not just the cheap PVC plastic they use). your argument is that they work the same as a Euroreef or other clone equivalent (which for the most part is true except Euroreefs needle wheel propeller is modified to perform a bit better than over the shelf sedras). Thats all well and good but I have a problem when I know a good 20x6" acrylic cylinder can cost over $100 alone while PVC cost next to nothing yet ASM is undercut significantly by all the other Deltec and Euroreef clones that use cast acrylic cylinders (Octopus, Aqua Euro, Das ect) and generally regarded as superiorly built and at minimum equally effective at skimming (and thats being nice). a sedra pump is about $50 more than an octopus pump (which are ocean runner clones if not ocean runners not too shabby) but the closest equavalent sized ASM generally cost nearly $100 more even though the skimmer body itself has got to cost ASM significantly less. Go figure. You can basically look into DAS and Octopus recircs for the price range of ASM products. If ASMs undercut the other clones I'd be all over it but there is just no good rational to chose a more costly ASM over the others. not even customer service, most people dont even know ASM stands for all seas marine much less their address and contact numbers. Something on an OCtopus breaks coralvue is right on top of it and can be dealt with directly if need be). I just feel ASM really padded their pockets when they were the ONLY high end alternative but have kind of been exposed now with the other brands materials and pricing.
http:///forum/post/2675211
i don't know where sedra pumps are manufactured, but italy is not known for it's cutting edge, mechanical technology. i'm just recommending a tried and true component.
Oh, checked out any MV or Aprilia sport bikes lately? Ferrari? Maserati or Lamborghini (until VW took over). Ever heard of OZ wheels? Italy is actually highly regarded for craftsmanship and quality control if not leading technology(which is what we are mostly talking about, there have been no recent revolutions in skimmer design: they are all either air aspirated by a pump or pumped thru a bubble producing nozzle. some work better than others and at this point its probably more willingness to spend time on trial and error than actual technology.
ASMs problem is its pricing (and there have been significant complaints about their build quality not just the cheap PVC plastic they use). your argument is that they work the same as a Euroreef or other clone equivalent (which for the most part is true except Euroreefs needle wheel propeller is modified to perform a bit better than over the shelf sedras). Thats all well and good but I have a problem when I know a good 20x6" acrylic cylinder can cost over $100 alone while PVC cost next to nothing yet ASM is undercut significantly by all the other Deltec and Euroreef clones that use cast acrylic cylinders (Octopus, Aqua Euro, Das ect) and generally regarded as superiorly built and at minimum equally effective at skimming (and thats being nice). a sedra pump is about $50 more than an octopus pump (which are ocean runner clones if not ocean runners not too shabby) but the closest equavalent sized ASM generally cost nearly $100 more even though the skimmer body itself has got to cost ASM significantly less. Go figure. You can basically look into DAS and Octopus recircs for the price range of ASM products. If ASMs undercut the other clones I'd be all over it but there is just no good rational to chose a more costly ASM over the others. not even customer service, most people dont even know ASM stands for all seas marine much less their address and contact numbers. Something on an OCtopus breaks coralvue is right on top of it and can be dealt with directly if need be). I just feel ASM really padded their pockets when they were the ONLY high end alternative but have kind of been exposed now with the other brands materials and pricing.
