Red Pancakes in my small tank

garick

Member
Lately I have noticed sand drawn up into little pancake shapes on the bottom of my tank and turned red... is this a type of algae or cyno bacteria? Should I get more sifters? or is this ok?
 

bcollett

Member
can you post any pictures? Small little red Pancake looking things could possibly be flatworms. but its hard to say without pictures.
 

garick

Member
It is actual sand. I pick them up and can mash them back into seperate sand particles. But the pancakes are actually sand. Its sand in pancake form that has turned red/ish. I will get pics tomorrow.
 

bcollett

Member
Interesting. Well I'm not sure what it could be. I do notice that my sand bed has clumps that form in it. Sometimes even tubes. Im sure its just from the bacteria and whatever else is living in my sand bed. Its never developed any color though, so thats kind of strange. We'll see what it looks like after your pics get posted
 

garick

Member
The pictures are pretty bad but hopefully you'll be able to see it well enough to give me an idea of what it seems to be.
 

garick

Member
I normally use all RO water for my systems but this one only has base rock with slow moving water. Can phosphate come in with food? I mainly feed mine Mysis shrimp and brine. Other than leafy greens.
I guess I need to step up my water changes, and work on my feeding regement.
 

novahobbies

Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by Garick
http:///forum/post/3187141
Can phosphate come in with food?
Yes. As can excess nitrates, another potential cyano fuel. Sounds like you've got a good handle on your water situation with the RODI filter, and from the looks of things you're catching this in the early stages, so (I hope!) you shouldn't have too much of a problem getting things back under control.
 

garick

Member
I got myself an RO/DI system when I first started. Its a 2 stage RO, 3 stage DI. Bascially 2 ro filters, 3 DI filters and 3 basic canister filters to get out any initial large chunks. Makes about 100 gallons a day.
The red dots are fairly spread out in my lower tank. It does seem to be growing on the base rock in dots. Unless thats the start of red coral algae. Nothing in this tank but brittle stars and base rock with a 10 gallon sump with live rock rubble. The main tank is about 33 gallons, 4 ft by a foot and a half wide. I also am trying my hand at using an Ultraviolet sterilizer between my sump and my main tank.
 

kingsmith

Member
Some Macro algea can help too, I had some in my sump and cyano was getting out of control, I threw it in my DT and siphoned all I could out and I beat it pretty fast
 

aquaknight

Active Member
Originally Posted by Garick
http:///forum/post/3187190
I got myself an RO/DI system when I first started. Its a 2 stage RO, 3 stage DI. Bascially 2 ro filters, 3 DI filters and 3 basic canister filters to get out any initial large chunks. Makes about 100 gallons a day.
Can you snap a pic of that setup?
 

garick

Member
Its possible but I know I've noticed new green coloration in some of the sand in the low flow tank. As well as brown diatoms on the glass. Mostly in the tanks with low flow. Everything seems to be doing well animal wise.
I am at the moment doing a 15 gallon water change, tomorrow I will do so again until I change out about 45 gallons.
P.s On my glass I have dark deep red stuff growing in circles.. any thoughts?
 

garick

Member
Its nothing fancy. Here's a pic if how it looks but its not the one I use because it doesn't have all RO/Di mine does but I got it for less than $200 Mind you mine has 3 of those brown/yellow filters, 2 of the ones right below the yellow and the same ones on the bottom
 

kraylen

Member
Your cyano problem is coming from something...
Either you are feeding to much, not rinsing your frozen food, too many fish or not enough water changes/improper equipment maintenance. I can't stress the fact enough that cyano is usually not from lack of flow. Higher flow will spread the cyano thinner but not remove it.
Whatever it is that is causing the cyano needs to be stopped or else it will usually keep coming back. RSR helps if you correct the problem prior/during treatment but don't use it as a regular thing. If you are running any type of media you might want to replace/clean it.
 

garick

Member
I am certain its from feeding and not rinsing my frozen mysis. I use PEMYSIS which has oils on it. I can see it when the frozen item touches the water. Plus I do feed my guys quite a bit especially my brittle stars and my snowflake eel. Also i randomly add live rock. Sometimes cured, sometimes uncured.
This might sound funny. However I find it so very fascinating how my CUC comes alive when I start to clean the tank myself. Suddenly I have crabs, stars, snails and all sorts of guys coming out of the woodwork cleaning, moving, just working themselves to death when they see me cleaning. Its sorta refreshing, sort of "Awe that's sweet" kinda thing lol. Like they are trying to help me.
 

kraylen

Member
Well I am glad you know what is going on with your tank. As long as that is established, as long as your corals and what not are ok with it keep doing you thing?
 

bang guy

Moderator
Originally Posted by Garick
http:///forum/post/3187378
Its possible but I know I've noticed new green coloration in some of the sand in the low flow tank. As well as brown diatoms on the glass. Mostly in the tanks with low flow. Everything seems to be doing well animal wise.
I am at the moment doing a 15 gallon water change, tomorrow I will do so again until I change out about 45 gallons.
P.s On my glass I have dark deep red stuff growing in circles.. any thoughts?
How low of flow are these tanks? Is there a specific reason why you want low flow? This will just encourage cyano outbreaks.
The brown Diatoms on the glass are normal if it takes a few days for them to show up.
Is the deep red stuff difficult to remove from the glass? If so it's probable coralline. If it wipes off easily then it could be more cyanobacter.
Keep the waterflow high and the nutrients low to combat cyano.
 

garick

Member
Mainly due to the fact they only have a few animals, and my lack of money for good power heads to really push the water. Using HoB filters in sand and moving the sand makes them growl somthin awful

The red stuff won't come off without a razor I noticed.
 

bang guy

Moderator
Originally Posted by Garick
http:///forum/post/3187588
Mainly due to the fact they only have a few animals, and my lack of money for good power heads to really push the water. Using HoB filters in sand and moving the sand makes them growl somthin awful

The red stuff won't come off without a razor I noticed.
It's coralline then, that's actually a good sign. A PITA but it's an indicator that you have phosphate under control
 
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