"Redistribution of Wealth"

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2815712
Bill Burton is either ignorant or a liar.
I clearly quoted what Obama said...
I completely agree Journey.How can you argue with a recording of him saying it.
Its amazing that they would take this approach to deny theses facts.I guess they believe if they deny it enough it is not true.And if the American people vote him into office they are either stupid to believe his continuous lies and misconceptions or they want socialism.

 

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Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2815416
That one, isn't that code for he's black?
I have heard from a reliable source that Obama has officially been endorsed by the black panthers, the entire continent of Africa, Jamaica, pockets in the middle-east who have been listening to right wing radio and have been brainwashed to believe he is indeed a Muslim and there are reports that Marx has made communications from the other side to support Obama

LOL i think "That One "is code for Socialistic Messiah.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2815780
Journey, you live in a state of paranoia. ...
Is the State of Paranoia I live in neighbors to the State of Incorrect Information you dwell in?

Maybe I missed it Bionicarm, but where in this comic jest did you defend your incorrect position I pointed out?
You said:"not enough of the Supreme Court Justices will kick off or retire while he's in office to make any drastic changes in the Court... "
I pointed out it will take a grand total of 1 judge.
Too many liberals are doing the same thing on this forum. You call out to discuss the issues, yet when someone posts facts off of Obama's webpage or Obama's own speeches you make up your own "facts" or say things like "you are being paranoid... there is no way that can be true."

 

[oscardeuce]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2815550
If you think ANY President could overturn the 2nd Amendment and change gun laws, then you obviously don't know the power of the NRA. Besides, not enough of the Supreme Court Justices will kick off or retire while he's in office to make any drastic changes in the Court...

I know the NRA quite well. I'm a Life Member and my father was on the Board of Directors.

 

[oscardeuce]

Now you take one word and spin it to mean Obama wants to go hit every megarich bank account, pull a percentage out of it, and give it to the poor. I honestly can't believe you think that any president would have that much power and control to pull something like that off. If you do, then you're the most naive person I know.

They aready do. You ever heard of the "death tax"? It is currently on hold, but one of the things Obama/democrats will do is let the Bush tax cuts sunset. Then they can reach into your account and take money/assets AREADY taxed and distribute them as the gov't sees fit.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2815855
Is the State of Paranoia I live in neighbors to the State of Incorrect Information you dwell in?

Maybe I missed it Bionicarm, but where in this comic jest did you defend your incorrect position I pointed out?
You said:"not enough of the Supreme Court Justices will kick off or retire while he's in office to make any drastic changes in the Court... "
I pointed out it will take a grand total of 1 judge.
Too many liberals are doing the same thing on this forum. You call out to discuss the issues, yet when someone posts facts off of Obama's webpage or Obama's own speeches you make up your own "facts" or say things like "you are being paranoid... there is no way that can be true."

What position of mine is incorrect? I'm not disputing Obama's plan on how he wants to tax the rich more. I personally don't agree with the entire premise of his plan. On the other hand, you take some speech he made some seven or eight years ago, and spin it to make it sound like he plans to literally take money out of the pockets of the wealthy people in this country. You can't honestly believe that Warren Buffett, Oprah Winfrey, Bill Gates (who already donate a majority of their income to charity), or the multitude of other billionaires in this country would blindly stand by and allow the Federal Government to force them to give their money to the poorer individuals in this country. That's the most assanine statement I've ever hear come from you. A bill like that wouldn't even make it out of the House. Probably over half the individuals sitting in Congress are millionaires.
You like to take 'facts' and change the context of their meaning to fit your agenda. You constantly read into every little item. Sorry, I'm not biting on this one.
AGAIN, show me Obama's Gun Control policy. Quit saying he's going to put a liberal judge into the Supreme Court, and instantaneously change the 2nd Amendment. It's not even the Supreme Courts decision to ratify and change a Constitutional Amendment. This is from the National Archives:
http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/constitution/
The Constitution provides that an amendment may be proposed either by the Congress with a two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate or by a constitutional convention called for by two-thirds of the State legislatures. None of the 27 amendments to the Constitution have been proposed by constitutional convention. The Congress proposes an amendment in the form of a joint resolution. Since the President does not have a constitutional role in the amendment process, the joint resolution does not go to the White House for signature or approval. The original document is forwarded directly to NARA's Office of the Federal Register (OFR) for processing and publication. The OFR adds legislative history notes to the joint resolution and publishes it in slip law format. The OFR also assembles an information package for the States which includes formal "red-line" copies of the joint resolution, copies of the joint resolution in slip law format, and the statutory procedure for ratification under 1 U.S.C. 106b.
Obama wouldn't even have a say in the process. Do you honestly think he could persuade Congress to even make that kind of change? The NRA lobbyists wouldn't even let it get out of committee. Why don't you go use your scare tactics on your Iraqi buddies. I'm sure they'll listen to you.

 

[bionicarm]

Now you take one word and spin it to mean Obama wants to go hit every megarich bank account, pull a percentage out of it, and give it to the poor. I honestly can't believe you think that any president would have that much power and control to pull something like that off. If you do, then you're the most naive person I know.
They aready do. You ever heard of the "death tax"? It is currently on hold, but one of the things Obama/democrats will do is let the Bush tax cuts sunset. Then they can reach into your account and take money/assets AREADY taxed and distribute them as the gov't sees fit.
Sorry, but the death tax doesn't just apply to the mega rich. That affects anyone who doesn't have the proper living will, and layout how they want their assets divided among their benefactors when they die.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2815780
Now you think he has the power to oveturn one of the most protected Amendments in the Constitution. I personally have not seen Obama's platform on gun control. You seem to be the expert in digging up dirt on the guy, please find his exact stance on what he wants to do in regards to gun legislature and post it here. I'd really like to read it.
Here you go.
"I believe the DC gun ban is Constitutional, and will not be overturned."
--Barack Obama, Constitutional Scholar, 2/2/2008

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2815908
Obama wouldn't even have a say in the process. Do you honestly think he could persuade Congress to even make that kind of change? The NRA lobbyists wouldn't even let it get out of committee. Why don't you go use your scare tactics on your Iraqi buddies. I'm sure they'll listen to you.

However with a democratically held house and senate and the appointment of atleast one if not two judges, what do you end up with?

 

[rylan1]

Who cares?
Obama is going to be voted President in 7 days, and we will be better off.
The policies of the last 8 years will be no more... the same policies advocatated by the McCain campaign, which have not worked. God Bless America, God Bless our new President, and God Bless our national leaders and military.
Turn the page because there is a lot of work to do to get this country back on the right track. And yes I will be one of the Obama campaign supporters dancing in the streets Wed. Nov 5

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2815919
Here you go.
"I believe the DC gun ban is Constitutional, and will not be overturned."
--Barack Obama, Constitutional Scholar, 2/2/2008
Obama is not against guns, but against guns being used by criminals. Does anyone remember the gun violence in Chicago the last couple summers?
This last summer there were 36 people shot over 1 weekend. So I to would want something done about this if this was my city. No one is against a hunter's right to arms, or guns for home protection. What use do semi-auto and auto guns have in society? Why do people need an AR-15 besides that they are cool? or a 50 cal?

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2815963
Who cares?
Which proves my thought process. We haven't learned crap i our 200+ years. You don't care because it is "your guys" that will hold office. That I don't so much care about. What I do care about is, with a democratically held senate and house, the ability to appoint the judge, and now the president...YTou may as well Call Barrack King Obama.....We will have 4 years of a Red pen legislation from him as there will be no bllance....Apparently 6 years of no checks and balances didn't show you crap.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2815970
Obama is not against guns, but against guns being used by criminals. Does anyone remember the gun violence in Chicago the last couple summers?
This last summer there were 36 people shot over 1 weekend. So I to would want something done about this if this was my city. No one is against a hunter's right to arms, or guns for home protection. What use do semi-auto and auto guns have in society? Why do people need an AR-15 besides that they are cool? or a 50 cal?

self-protection. He su[pports cities nd states being allowed to institute their own bans on gun control. Something that is clearly stated in the FEDERAL CONSTITUTION as a huge right. He is Ok with states limiting that right, but not Ok with states limiting abortion rights....If the states have rights on one, they have rights on the other....classic case of hypocrisy

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/2815919
Here you go.
"I believe the DC gun ban is Constitutional, and will not be overturned."
--Barack Obama, Constitutional Scholar, 2/2/2008

He's quoting a legal decision. He was/is a Harvard Law graduate. So he makes a statement about the constitutionality of a law passed in D.C. regarding gun control, and that automatically says he'll pass a law to repeal or revise the 2nd Amendment? One more time, show me his statement on gun control in his campaign platform...

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2815989
He's quoting a legal decision. He was/is a Harvard Law graduate. So he makes a statement about the constitutionality of a law passed in D.C. regarding gun control, and that automatically says he'll pass a law to repeal or revise the 2nd Amendment? One more time, show me his statement on gun control in his campaign platform...
Just stop nd thing. Forget for one second this is "your guy". How is a gun ban constitutional at the state level, when the U.S. constitution grants you the right to own guns? Explain that to me. Until you do, it looks to me like Obama is not against banning handguns...as he sees its state/local banning as constitutional.

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2815970
Obama is not against guns, but against guns being used by criminals. Does anyone remember the gun violence in Chicago the last couple summers?
The reason for this is because it is Illegal to own or possess a handgun in the City of Chicago courtesy of Mayor Daily and Dems here,including Obama.Carry an conceal would curb this trend as it has been proven all over the country

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2815963
Who cares?
Obama is going to be voted President in 7 days, and we will be better off.
The policies of the last 8 years will be no more... the same policies advocatated by the McCain campaign, which have not worked. God Bless America, God Bless our new President, and God Bless our national leaders and military.
Turn the page because there is a lot of work to do to get this country back on the right track. And yes I will be one of the Obama campaign supporters dancing in the streets Wed. Nov 5

I wouldnt start dancing just yet Rylan.As TIPP who predicted the last election within a fraction of a point has this race at Obama +2.8 well inside the margin of error.http://www.tipponline.com/
One other thing i forgot that is important to remember.In 2004 durring the late days in Oct.Kerry was up in most of the polls buy a few points.Who won that election again?

 

[aquaknight]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2815970
Obama is not against guns, but against guns being used by criminals. Does anyone remember the gun violence in Chicago the last couple summers?
This last summer there were 36 people shot over 1 weekend. So I to would want something done about this if this was my city. No one is against a hunter's right to arms, or guns for home protection. What use do semi-auto and auto guns have in society? Why do people need an AR-15 besides that they are cool? or a 50 cal?
And what were the percentages of the guns used to kill those 36 people, were even legally registered, not stolen, etc? All a gun ban will do is take the guns, even auto's/semi's, away from people who actually have a shot at eliminated some of this scum from society...

 

[veni vidi vici]

Here is another whack at Obama.If he in fact does what he says hes gonna do "cut taxes on the middle class" which BTW dose not compute with the rest of his proposals.This tax cut on the middle class will be nullified by letting the Bush tax cuts expire,therefore raising the middles taxes.
McCain wants to make the Bush tax cuts permanent for the record.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2815970
Obama is not against guns, but against guns being used by criminals. Does anyone remember the gun violence in Chicago the last couple summers?
This last summer there were 36 people shot over 1 weekend. So I to would want something done about this if this was my city. No one is against a hunter's right to arms, or guns for home protection. What use do semi-auto and auto guns have in society? Why do people need an AR-15 besides that they are cool? or a 50 cal?
Doesn't chicago already have basically a total ban on handguns?
What business does the government have in telling me I have to have a use for my 50 cal?
But to answer your question, there are ALOT of guns with more than a 50 cal that are VERY useful. Basically that covers every caliber of shotgun, 12 gauge 20 gauge, EVERY big game gun, almost EVERY muzzle loader. These are gun used on a regular basis by the bitter gun clingers.
Do you need a desert eagle for home protection, no, but a shotgun is probably the best home defense weapon out there, and obama has supported legislation that will take that away.
By definition a criminal breaks laws, what gun law is going to stop him?