Republican Candidates

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
We could then say.. that white Afrikans are not really african based on them being colonial Dutch or whatever. A side note... how does your friend feel about aparthied?
He is more african than most black people. He is a citizen of South Africa. Speaks 3 different languages besides english.
It is ludicrous to insinuate someone who has a South African Passport, born and raise in Africa is less african simply because he is white, than a black person whose family has lived in the US for the past 150 years. It doesn't make any sense to me

that is backwards and illogical.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
He is more african than most black people. He is a citizen of South Africa. Speaks 3 different languages besides english.
It is ludicrous to insinuate someone who has a South African Passport, born and raise in Africa is less african simply because he is white, than a black person whose family has lived in the US for the past 150 years. It doesn't make any sense to me

that is backwards and illogical.
I started to respond, but have deleted my post. My only question is what difference does this make? This whole topic is stupid.
And as I mentioned about the UNCF... there are only 39 member universities that you can use this for... not Univ of Mich or Univ of Texas and so on.
There are many more serious problems in this country other than your view of anti-minority scholarships. The race has now become centered on hispanic issues such as immigration as well as the nation's economy...particulary Michigan which I brought up eariler.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
I... there are only 39 member universities that you can use this for... not Univ of Mich or Univ of Texas and so on.
There are many more serious problems in this country other than your view of anti-minority scholarships. The race has now become centered on hispanic issues such as immigration as well as the nation's economy...particulary Michigan which I brought up eariler.
Wrong.
You didn't read my earlier post. Here it is again:
"UNCF supports minority students at many schools that are not HBCUs" (historically black colleges and universities)- taken from the official UNCF webpage
And another quote from same webpage:
"scholarships and internships for students at about 900 institutions..."
Immigration is not a race issue.
Rylan, this is another case of you telling people to educate themselves on a topic while you post false information on the same topic.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
Immigration is not a race issue.
I think alot of the more pointed commentary on immagration borderlines discrimination. I think the underlying problem, national security, is important, but some of the people driving the "movement" flirt with discrimination in efforts to drive the "movement"

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
I think alot of the more pointed commentary on immagration borderlines discrimination. I think the underlying problem, national security, is important, but some of the people driving the "movement" flirt with discrimination in efforts to drive the "movement"
The motivation behind the movement is completely irrelevant in my opinion. The fact is we have millions of people, from every country and continent inhabited, in our country illegally. We need politicains to enforce our laws.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
Wrong.
You didn't read my earlier post. Here it is again:
"UNCF supports minority students at many schools that are not HBCUs" (historically black colleges and universities)- taken from the official UNCF webpage
And another quote from same webpage:
"scholarships and internships for students at about 900 institutions..."
Immigration is not a race issue.
Rylan, this is another case of you telling people to educate themselves on a topic while you post false information on the same topic.
I'm not going to continue about the UNCF and other scholarships... I've pointed out that these scholarships are available to all types of people ethnically. I see no one arguing about the other scholarships I mentioned except for stble (sorry if that's wrong.don't feel like going back to fix) who makes a blank statement that none should exist.
As far as Immigration ... it is not a race issue. However, it does affect hispanics more than any other group of people. It is a major concern for many of them who are for ammnesty and those who are against it. I understand the security implications, but people will say why aren't they talking about building a wall along the northern border? Another problem is all the outstanding visas that are out there for education and work.

 

[1journeyman]

i'm glad you're dropping the UNCF argument. It's clear not even you know all of the details. Nor do I.
For the record, I'm against any special treatment, of any kind, based on any racial factor.
Immigration is not a racial issue. It's an American issue. The southern border needs a fence because that's where the majority of the illegal crossing occurs. It has nothing to do with any racial bias. It's well documented that illegals from all over the world enter through our southern border.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
Good Post?

As I said this scholaship has no effect on your college career...meaning that it can not be used at Univ of Texas, Texas A&M, Univ of Houston or 99% of all the other universities in the state of Texas or the USA. So unless you wanted to go to:
Paul Quinn College
Wiley College
Southwestern Christian College
Jarvis Christian College
Texas College
Texas Southern University or
Prairie View A&M University
Then it doesn't affect you. You could have also went to college if you had better grades or where involved in some after school activities. There is no double standard because it is not applicable to the colleges whites attend. Besides to get the scholarship you have to be deserving... meaning having a high GPA and other qualities. Before you star whinning about something you should no more about it. You act asif this is some free pass. There other scholarships out there for all types of people based on personal characteristics or ethnicity.
Didn't I post that it didn't affect me?
"Having the united negro college fund wouldn't effect me one way or another really" I see no ambiguity in that statement.
Maybe it makes you feel superior to type "Before you star whinning about something you should no more about it" What it does is makes you look like someone who needs a refresher course in reading comprehension. That or you just fill your replies with noise to avoid responding to the topic at hand.
What I said was that despite the fact I wasn't related to and didnt know any CEO's and didn't go to college I've had a pretty good life. Had there been some kind of scholorship specifically reserved for people in my situation I maybe would have done even better.
Your position has been many Blacks don't suceed in life because they are disadvantaged and don't know and aren't related to any CEO's. Well, they have a few advantages too. They have all the same opportunities I did to EARN a scholorship but IN ADDITION they are automatically elligable for a scholorship I am not. I didn't even go into affirmative action which is another advantage I don't get.
Just to avoid any further confusion, My whole point is and has been:
It is not a legitimate excuse for any reasonably healthy citizen of the United States to say the wont be able to lead a reasonably good life simply because of ther color of their skin.
I also found it interesting that in a post you referred to a white citizen of Africa as an "Afrikan" Whats up with that?

 

[stdreb27]

On a related note, don't you think it is funny to watch the "party of equality" and the "first black president" attack the black candidate for being black. And instead of appealing to black voters on issue, try to argue who is more black. "Bill has been with more black woman than obama"

Obama is doing pretty good at ignoring the riff raff of the Clinton attack machine. I think.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by reefraff
Didn't I post that it didn't affect me?
"Having the united negro college fund wouldn't effect me one way or another really" I see no ambiguity in that statement.
Maybe it makes you feel superior to type "Before you star whinning about something you should no more about it" What it does is makes you look like someone who needs a refresher course in reading comprehension. That or you just fill your replies with noise to avoid responding to the topic at hand.
What I said was that despite the fact I wasn't related to and didnt know any CEO's and didn't go to college I've had a pretty good life. Had there been some kind of scholorship specifically reserved for people in my situation I maybe would have done even better.
Your position has been many Blacks don't suceed in life because they are disadvantaged and don't know and aren't related to any CEO's. Well, they have a few advantages too. They have all the same opportunities I did to EARN a scholorship but IN ADDITION they are automatically elligable for a scholorship I am not. I didn't even go into affirmative action which is another advantage I don't get.
Just to avoid any further confusion, My whole point is and has been:
It is not a legitimate excuse for any reasonably healthy citizen of the United States to say the wont be able to lead a reasonably good life simply because of ther color of their skin.
I also found it interesting that in a post you referred to a white citizen of Africa as an "Afrikan" Whats up with that?
Afrikaans, member of the West Germanic group of the Germanic subfamily of the Indo-European family of languages (see Germanic languages). Although its classification is still disputed, it is generally considered an independent language rather than a dialect or variant of Dutch (see Dutch language). Afrikaans is spoken by close to 8 million people in the Republic of South Africa.
In regards to your comments... you can take whatever you want out of my comments... You can say I am wrong or take my words out of context or even make assumptions about what I wrote. I really don't care. In regards to reading comprehension..I probably have a lot more experience than you do in that subject

. But I am tired of going back and forth with you about things that have no place in this thread and IMO are fruitless. I have nothing to gain by proving you wrong and its simply a waste of my time to continue on this course...So I'll continue to talk about the candidates....

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
On a related note, don't you think it is funny to watch the "party of equality" and the "first black president" attack the black candidate for being black. And instead of appealing to black voters on issue, try to argue who is more black. "Bill has been with more black woman than obama"

Obama is doing pretty good at ignoring the riff raff of the Clinton attack machine. I think.

This is an interesting development. Obama hasn't said anything...simply that he has not commented on the Clinton "attack machine". This whole thing with Hilary, Bill, and their supporters is a calculated attack on the Obama campaign. Clinton feels that she is loosing or that the race is too close... so they are pulling out all the political tactics in efforts to defeat him anyway she can. It will be interesting to see what happens, but this has changed my opinion of her because it shows me they will do anything to win a campaign...and to use this issue to polarize both white and black voters.

 

[rudedog40]

I THOUGHT THIS THREAD DIED!!! I'm curious to find out what is the longest known thread on this site. Meaning, which thread has had the most replies before it was either locked, or died a natural death? We're going on 11 pages on this one. LET'S BREAK THE RECORD FOR JERRY'S KIDS!!!

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
but this has changed my opinion of her because it shows me they will do anything to win a campaign...and to use this issue to polarize both white and black voters.
I like you, but I've got to wonder about you, I mean, dragging Rice, and C Thomas through the mud wasn't enough for you to figure out that they really don't care about the black man.
I think this is indicative of the politics most dems play. Pitting the White and againsts the black. Pitting the rich against the "poor" (I loosely use that term). If they can divide they will. They don't care about minorities, they just want power, and they think that the black the "poor" the minorities are just easier to fool that the Rich white man.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
... so they are pulling out all the political tactics in efforts to defeat him anyway she can. It will be interesting to see what happens, but this has changed my opinion of her because it shows me they will do anything to win a campaign...and to use this issue to polarize both white and black voters.
She/he(Bill)/and the Democratic party have been using the race/gender/class topics to divide this country for 50 years.
The only thing new is that they are now using it against each other. While I'm glad your eyes have been opened to the fact that she will do anything to win a campaign; many of us have seen this for years.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
I like you, but I've got to wonder about you, I mean, dragging Rice, and C Thomas through the mud wasn't enough for you to figure out that they really don't care about the black man.
I think this is indicative of the politics most dems play. Pitting the White and againsts the black. Pitting the rich against the "poor" (I loosely use that term). If they can divide they will. They don't care about minorities, they just want power, and they think that the black the "poor" the minorities are just easier to fool that the Rich white man.
I both agree and disagree with you.. I think some people don't care about particular minorites, however I don't think that the Clintons feel this way. The comments made was not a racist; however, it was a clever remark because they knew the backlash it would create. I think people on both sides have reacted along with the media as they intended. You have black people who view her remarks as ill-advised, and you have white people thinking that Obama is pulling the race card. I think the goal of the tactic was for her to gain more support from white people who are sick of hearing about race or reverse racism, and sacrficing a few black votes. I think this is the only way she could win S.C.
This takes the campaign off the issues. Look at the Clinton campaign and others. They orginally attacked Obama for his campaign of "Change".. now after seeing people were receptivie to it they are now using it in their campaign(s). She is now using her husband and other notiable black politicans and celebrities to try to discredit Obama. She is pretty ruthless.

 

[stdreb27]

The "Fairly Tale" comment was perfectly acceptable. If you look at it the way I heard it, jr senator who started his presidential campain a year after he won a senate seat. And has only been in office 3 years. If you take it as it is a fairy tale because he was black, it really isn't all that racist either. A bit moronic, but in my mind, the first time something happens it is often catorgorized as a fairly tale. Especially if it is against all odds, a "big comeback." What is unbelievable is the floating up of softballs, oh he might have sold drugs. Twice then firing the guy who insinuated it the first time. Having people in her campain send out emails saying that he is a closet muslim, because his middle name is hussein. And the clintons "not knowing anything". And having other operatives going out saying clinton is more black than barack. Because he has slept with more black woman. Come on, if they didn't have a problem with his color, it would be a non-issue clinton wouldn't have brought it up to begin with. It would have been, I'm a woman, he is black, it doesn't matter, what matters is my vision for the turning our government into a socialist america.

 

[mfp1016]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
I both agree and disagree with you.. I think some people don't care about particular minorites, however I don't think that the Clintons feel this way. The comments made was not a racist; however, it was a clever remark because they knew the backlash it would create. I think people on both sides have reacted along with the media as they intended. You have black people who view her remarks as ill-advised, and you have white people thinking that Obama is pulling the race card. I think the goal of the tactic was for her to gain more support from white people who are sick of hearing about race or reverse racism, and sacrficing a few black votes. I think this is the only way she could win S.C.
This takes the campaign off the issues. Look at the Clinton campaign and others. They orginally attacked Obama for his campaign of "Change".. now after seeing people were receptivie to it they are now using it in their campaign(s). She is now using her husband and other notiable black politicans and celebrities to try to discredit Obama. She is pretty ruthless.
Rylan, I don't think we agree on very many political issues at all. I am glad to see that Democrats are waking up to the Billary political machine. The Clintons are nothing more than two lawyers who married each other in 1975 for nothing more than political gain. I think someone willing enough and with adequate time could make the argument that both Bill and Hilary have only done things to try advance their political careers. Consider them political robots if you will.
In regards to the race card, I think the issue is that most people are under the assumption that Obama will get almost all black votes just because he is black. I've personally seen this with several African-American friends of mine, who despite being conservatives for the last few elections, are voting for Obama, why because he is black, not because they agree with his policy.

 

[stdreb27]

If I hear another "expert" sit here and say oh mitt had better win in Michigan or he'll be out of the race, I'm going to puke. The guy has more delegates than anyone else thus is winning, but he still has to win or he is out?

Please people can't be this stupid can they?

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by mfp1016
Rylan, I don't think we agree on very many political issues at all. I am glad to see that Democrats are waking up to the Billary political machine. The Clintons are nothing more than two lawyers who married each other in 1975 for nothing more than political gain. I think someone willing enough and with adequate time could make the argument that both Bill and Hilary have only done things to try advance their political careers. Consider them political robots if you will.
In regards to the race card, I think the issue is that most people are under the assumption that Obama will get almost all black votes just because he is black. I've personally seen this with several African-American friends of mine, who despite being conservatives for the last few elections, are voting for Obama, why because he is black, not because they agree with his policy.
I think you'll get some black people or minorities that vote for him because of this. I also think you will get some women who vote for Clinton because she is a woman. Lastly, I think you'll get some people who vote for the GOP because he is neither of those and is a white male. As far as Barack getting the majority of black votes... he may, however I don't think its because of race because in the beginning...Clinton was beating him by like 65% to 35% for registered black democratic voters. As for Clinton... I think she will step on anyone who gets in the way of her winning.
In regards to the "fantacy" line... he has been called a "kid", a "boy", "a drug dealer", and accused of playing the race card for comments made by Hilary that he didn't respond to. Obama hasn't attacked Hilary, but Edwards has... but she hasn't attacked him (Edwards) because he is of no threat to her.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
If I hear another "expert" sit here and say oh mitt had better win in Michigan or he'll be out of the race, I'm going to puke. The guy has more delegates than anyone else thus is winning, but he still has to win or he is out?

Please people can't be this stupid can they?
Yea you're right... he does have a lot of cash left though. Anybody been following Michigan? I think they will only have 50% of delegates on ballot.