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[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by rudedog40
As far as the Dept. of Defense, I imagine more than half that budget went to support rebuilding Iraq. Imagine what private health organizations could do with 250 billion. That could provide quite a few free services for people who go to county hospitals.
IT IS NOT FREE! When will it get into peoples head that these "government programs" is you money. You are paying for it!

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
IT IS NOT FREE! When will it get into peoples head that these "government programs" is you money. You are paying for it!

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by rudedog40
Hey, I won't disagree with you the government has spent billions supporting medicare/medicade. The main reason those figures are so high is because the doctors, hospitals, and any other medical providers have inflated their bills ten-fold, or charged the same procedure 10 times for one patient to make those costs so high. One of the biggest frauds against the government is cheating the medicare/medicaid system. If they would regulate and audit that department more efficiently, you'd probably see that 680 billion cut in half, if not a third.
Actually, most of it comes from welfare, unemplyment, food stamps, and grants for minorities. Only about 35% of that is from medicare/medicade. Last I saw anyway.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
I just don't care or have the time to respond to all you have to say

. I also am tired of hearing about you didn't go to college...that's obvious

...
Just kidding..hehe...Anyway, there is always an exception to the rule. The funny funny thing (misconception) I always hear white people get upset about is the UNCF. These scholarships are only for students attending Historically Black univeristies... meaning odds are they have and had no effect on a white person's education.
I was gonna leave this one alone but I just can't. First off, I didn't go to college but I did pay cash for my house and it ain't even got no axles and has doors, winders, inside plumbin and everything

Having the united negro college fund wouldn't effect me one way or another really. Are we allowed to type negro? I guess we'll see. A united white college fund would be denounced as racist. The double standard is amazing. Having these sort of race based programs is wrong. If you want a color blind society you got to quit making color the basis for everything. (dont mean you specifically)
There isn't a scholorship fund out there tailored to who I was. If their had been one maybe I could have gone to college but it didn't prevent me from being successful. My point was there isn't an excuse why a reasonably healthy individual can't make it in this day and age. You may not get rich but you can have a good life.

 

[bang guy]

Good post ReefRaff.

 

[dogstar]

Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
...406 billion of which is interest paid....
... how much more do you want to spend here?

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by reefraff
I was gonna leave this one alone but I just can't. First off, I didn't go to college but I did pay cash for my house and it ain't even got no axles and has doors, winders, inside plumbin and everything

Having the united negro college fund wouldn't effect me one way or another really. Are we allowed to type negro? I guess we'll see. A united white college fund would be denounced as racist. The double standard is amazing. Having these sort of race based programs is wrong. If you want a color blind society you got to quit making color the basis for everything. (dont mean you specifically)
There isn't a scholorship fund out there tailored to who I was. If their had been one maybe I could have gone to college but it didn't prevent me from being successful. My point was there isn't an excuse why a reasonably healthy individual can't make it in this day and age. You may not get rich but you can have a good life.
Good Post?

As I said this scholaship has no effect on your college career...meaning that it can not be used at Univ of Texas, Texas A&M, Univ of Houston or 99% of all the other universities in the state of Texas or the USA. So unless you wanted to go to:
Paul Quinn College
Wiley College
Southwestern Christian College
Jarvis Christian College
Texas College
Texas Southern University or
Prairie View A&M University
Then it doesn't affect you. You could have also went to college if you had better grades or where involved in some after school activities. There is no double standard because it is not applicable to the colleges whites attend. Besides to get the scholarship you have to be deserving... meaning having a high GPA and other qualities. Before you star whinning about something you should no more about it. You act asif this is some free pass. There other scholarships out there for all types of people based on personal characteristics or ethnicity.

 

[rylan1]

before I forget the UNCF is a prviate fund. Not some type of program.

 

[stdreb27]

Private or not, it is still discriminatory. And when they have put out a "white" scholarship people go nuts. There is a clear double standard. This is a funny article to illustrate my point.
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?sec...rld&id=4795617

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
before I forget the UNCF is a prviate fund. Not some type of program.
The fund receives millions of dollars in corporate sponsorship that could otherwise be given to general scholarships open to all students.
Furthermore, contrary to what you have said, "UNCF supports minority students at many schools that are not HBCUs (historically black colleges and universities)"- taken from the official UNCF webpage.

 

[bang guy]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
There is no double standard because it is not applicable to the colleges whites attend. Besides to get the scholarship you have to be deserving... meaning having a high GPA and other qualities.
The other qualities being dependent on skin color?

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by Bang Guy
The other qualities being dependent on skin color?
This is getting ridiculous.... Why aren't you all up in arms about these?
Hispanic Scholarship Fund
The Asian & Pacific Islander American Scholarship Fund
American Indian student scholarships.
Italian Scholarships Italian Grants Italian Fellowships Programs ...
This non-profit organization provides college scholarships to students of Italian-American descent based upon need and ability.
The National Italian American Foundation (NIAF) has an education budget of $1,000,000. The NIAF will award scholarships and grants to outstanding students in the summer of 2008 for use during the following academic year. The awards will be made on the basis of academic merit and divided between two groups of students.
General Category I:
Italian American students who demonstrate outstanding potential and high academic achievements. Area of study: open:
How about These?
Left Hand Scholarships
Red-Head Scholarships
Girl Only Scholarships
There is one of 2 things happening here... 1) You have a problem with black (african american) scholarships.
or-
2) You are very misinformed of the opportunities you have and you have not searched for additional ways to help support your college education. There are many more scholarships out there that I have not listed that would include irish americans, asian americans, and on and on based on gender, ethhicity, a handicap, etc etc. So if you all want to blame somebody for or the UNCF for not going to college... than you don't deserve to be there because if you were resourceful enough than you would find away. You can also think of it this way... maybe you were not meant to go to college and you found a great career w/o it.
I hope this clears up your "white" scholarship problem you have and your overall view of the UNCF and other ethnic scholarship programs you may have a problem with.

 

[bang guy]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
This is getting ridiculous.... Why aren't you all up in arms about these?
Hispanic Scholarship Fund
The Asian & Pacific Islander American Scholarship Fund
American Indian student scholarships.
We weren't discussing those. You're saying it's OK to discriminate based on skin color and I'm just disagreeing with you. It's not the end of the world.
I would be openly opposed to a White scholarship fund.

 

[stdreb27]

I would think there is a difference between giving a scholarship based on where you are from in the world. Italians, Latin American, Russians or whatever, vs giving a scholarship based on the color of you skin, lets face it, most black people have been in the US longer than my family has.
You can be a "white" italian, a "black" italian, a "brown" italian. Nationality doesn't make a race.
That being said, I personally think you shouldn't have nationality base scholarships either. In my perfect world, and it would be perfect,

you would have merit, and need based scholarships based on merit. The states and the feds subsidize all state run schools anyways.
Ultimately, I want the same thing you want, equality, we just differ on the way to go about it.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
I would think there is a difference between giving a scholarship based on where you are from in the world. Italians, Latin American, Russians or whatever, vs giving a scholarship based on the color of you skin, lets face it, most black people have been in the US longer than my family has.
You can be a "white" italian, a "black" italian, a "brown" italian. Nationality doesn't make a race.
That being said, I personally think you shouldn't have nationality base scholarships either. In my perfect world, and it would be perfect,

you would have merit, and need based scholarships based on merit. The states and the feds subsidize all state run schools anyways.
Ultimately, I want the same thing you want, equality, we just differ on the way to go about it.
Whats the difference? I can argue and say that you have been allowed to go to college longer than my family has and on and on. Stop trying to make excuses... you are clearly wrong. Scholarships exist for all types of ethnic groups and for African americans ... their ethnicity is African. As far as nationality based scholarships... African Americans don't have that option for reasons we discussed earlier. You also did not say anything about the Native American or Hispanic Scholarships. Take Hispanic scholarships for example... Your ancestory could be from a mulitude of different countries and have still have the same opportunity to the scholarship. So your logic is backwards and is centered on your negative view of african americans because the other examples I gave can be viewed in the same category as the UNCF, yet you make excuses for those.
How many black italians do you think we have in this country in the context you speak of? How many do you think were recipiants of this award? Point is there are scholarships for people of european decent that many white americans fit into, and this whole idea of ethnic scholarships are not limited to african americans. What about Jewish Scholarships? Is this a problem also. I think the whole gripe is that you think these people have an advantage over you, when historically white males have had an advantage over everyone else.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
Whats the difference? I can argue and say that you have been allowed to go to college longer than my family has and on and on. Stop trying to make excuses... you are clearly wrong. Scholarships exist for all types of ethnic groups and for African americans ... their ethnicity is African. As far as nationality based scholarships... African Americans don't have that option for reasons we discussed earlier. You also did not say anything about the Native American or Hispanic Scholarships. Take Hispanic scholarships for example... Your ancestory could be from a mulitude of different countries and have still have the same opportunity to the scholarship. So your logic is backwards and is centered on your negative view of african americans because the other examples I gave can be viewed in the same category as the UNCF, yet you make excuses for those.
lol, Let me restate my point.
That being said, I personally think you shouldn't have nationality base scholarships either. (I'll go highlight it in an earlier post. In my perfect world, and it would be perfect,

you would have merit, and need based scholarships based on merit. The states and the feds subsidize all state run schools anyways.
lol so now I'm a racist. I really don't care what you call me, I dislike all people equally. how is that? (joke btw)
Actually there wasn't really college in mexico for my grandparents to go to.
And if "African-American" scholarships were truely for Africans, like my white friend from South Africa. Who really is African. You would have a point about African-American scholarships being for Africans. But it is just a facade. It is a scholarship based on merit and other qualities. (being color) It seems to me that you are arguing that it doesn't take "race" into the equation. (come on how dumb do I look?) And any decision based on "race" is racism in my book.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
lol, Let me restate my point.
That being said, I personally think you shouldn't have nationality base scholarships either. (I'll go highlight it in an earlier post. In my perfect world, and it would be perfect,

you would have merit, and need based scholarships based on merit. The states and the feds subsidize all state run schools anyways.
lol so now I'm a racist. I really don't care what you call me, I dislike all people equally. how is that? (joke btw)
Actually there wasn't really college in mexico for my grandparents to go to.
And if "African-American" scholarships were truely for Africans, like my white friend from South Africa. Who really is African. You would have a point about African-American scholarships being for Africans. But it is just a facade. It is a scholarship based on merit and other qualities. (being color) It seems to me that you are arguing that it doesn't take "race" into the equation. (come on how dumb do I look?) And any decision based on "race" is racism in my book.
We could then say.. that white Afrikans are not really african based on them being colonial Dutch or whatever. A side note... how does your friend feel about aparthied? I personally don't have a problem with it scholarships based on ethnicity regardless of who they are for. I think the purpose is to make sure universities are diverse and that people who may not have to opportunity to go can go.
There are also scholarships for foreign students that your friend could appy for.
How do you feel about scholarships for women? What about scholarships for cancer survivors?

 

[bang guy]

I don't understand why there should be tax paid scholarships for anything other than merit.
Truly private scholarships should be for whatever they want but I don't think they should be tax deductible for anything other than merit or financial need. If you want to donate your money to a race based scholarship that's fine with me but it shouldn't be tax deductible.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
I think the whole gripe is that you think these people have an advantage over you, when historically white males have had an advantage over everyone else.
I have no vitriol towards one race or another. I do have problems with double standards. Last month, 4 mexicans stabbed a white guy to death, and openly said, they did it because he was WHITE. The courts decided that it was not a "hate" crime. I simply feel it is flawed and counterproductive to allow discrimination in the name of equality.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
We could then say.. that white Afrikans are not really african based on them being colonial Dutch or whatever. A side note... how does your friend feel about aparthied? I personally don't have a problem with it scholarships based on ethnicity regardless of who they are for. I think the purpose is to make sure universities are diverse and that people who may not have to opportunity to go can go.
There are also scholarships for foreign students that your friend could appy for.
How do you feel about scholarships for women? What about scholarships for cancer survivors?
funny, I don't think woman, or cancer survivors are a race. While we are at making rediculous stretches, why don't you ask me what I feel about scholarships for the MIA or KIA personel's kids.