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[jennythebugg]

Originally Posted by mfp1016
Most pharmaceutical research is carried out in private chemical companies. Most surgical techniques and the like are developed at University hospitals.
my point is that most of these drugs are developed in america why do we have to order them online from canada and such to get a lower price than we can get them for here

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by jennythebugg
my point is that most of these drugs are developed in america why do we have to order them online from canada and such to get a lower price than we can get them for here
I agree.

 

[rudedog40]

Originally Posted by jennythebugg
out here in west texas we are having a 'war' over the bible class at my former high school i don't see how its hurting anyones 'liberties' its an optional class
personally i know its wrong but i will use my vote to go republican this time so tobins vote can be heard , how did this debate get turned onto racism and why is is all the political debates on here turn towards racism? every one here probaly knows already that i am for some kind of universal health care plan , but i think it should be optional for doctors , patients and pharmacies,like if you choose to pay for it yourself ( or pay the difference)go to different doctors or hospitals that arent 'members' of the plans .why is it that our country does the majority of drug development and study on cures for diseases yet (from what i've heard) we send out our medices to other countries at LOWER prices ?and we have to buy from other countries to get affordable prescriptions makes no sense whatsoever to me .

I don't think Congress will ever pass a Universal Healthcare System, no matter whose president. The doctors and hospitals already complain about HMO's. They want to charge $75 for an office visit, and the insurance company only gives them $30. Being a doctor isn't the 'prestigious profession' any longer, because you can't make the big bucks anymore. The medical industry has too many lobbyist to squash any kind of universal system.
I can fully agree with you on the prescriptions. Pharmacutical costs have gone through the roof over the past decade. Insurance companies are raising the out-of-pockets on all the meds. Drug companies won't release generic versions of their popular meds because they can make more on the name brands. Doctors get kickbacks from the drug companies for prescribing the name brands instead of generic. At least companies like WalMart are trying to help. They only charge $5 for many of the most popular drugs that are prescribed.

 

[rudedog40]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
You maybe racists I don't know? However I give all people the benefit of the doubt. I would not assume that the hundreds to thousands of people on this site are racists based on the comments b/w maybe 5-10 people who live in all corners of this nation. I don't think people would be happy having you making that assertion about them or you wanting me to do it for you.
I remember LSU making some nasty racists comments a few months ago... I didn't respond to it...but I haven't seen him post recently.

You're taking that comment as racist? It was an observation. Look at the 10 pages of comments in this thread, and show me how many others besides yours support your views. If there are other black members here that are as passionate about their race as you, I would think they would speak up in your defense. You've taken every argument I've given to support the fact that black inequities have pretty much disappeared, and discredited them with lame supporting information. If it doesn't support your beliefs, you spin it into a racial inequity against the black people of this country. My response - "The NFL and NBA argument" Your response - "But how many blacks are in the NHL?", or "Yea, but how many black quarterbacks are in the NFL?" So if you're gonna break it down to that level, "How many blacks get involved with the saltwater aquarium hobby"? That's the point I was making. I think you need to look into the mirror and see who the true racist is.

 

[jennythebugg]

Originally Posted by rudedog40
I don't think Congress will ever pass a Universal Healthcare System, no matter whose president. The doctors and hospitals already complain about HMO's. They want to charge $75 for an office visit, and the insurance company only gives them $30. Being a doctor isn't the 'prestigious profession' any longer, because you can't make the big bucks anymore. The medical industry has too many lobbyist to squash any kind of universal system.
I can fully agree with you on the prescriptions. Pharmacutical costs have gone through the roof over the past decade. Insurance companies are raising the out-of-pockets on all the meds. Drug companies won't release generic versions of their popular meds because they can make more on the name brands. Doctors get kickbacks from the drug companies for prescribing the name brands instead of generic. At least companies like WalMart are trying to help. They only charge $5 for many of the most popular drugs that are prescribed.
yes i was thankful when walmart did that because out of the 64 medications that tobin was presribed over the last few years only 9 of them were available on that program but every little bit counted when some of these medicines were almost 20 dollars a pill

its nice to not have to worry about borrowing money or eating ramen all week to pay for p-ills

 

[darthtang aw]

everyone keeps talking about universal healthcare. Most heathcare plans dictate what doctors can charge. They did this in england. Guess what, a lot of the really good doctors are now down in India. They have new hospitals and facilities that are kept up because doctors have more room to charge a bit higher.
The thing I don't understand is people want universal heathcare ran by the governm,ent. Yet they never stop to think about how well government ran programs/industries run. You want an idea of the quality of care your "insurance" would be through the government all you have to do is look at how well your mail is handled. The post office is the most screwed up place, from the bottom to the top....Fema, social security, how many more do I have to list?

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by rudedog40
You're taking that comment as racist? It was an observation. Look at the 10 pages of comments in this thread, and show me how many others besides yours support your views. If there are other black members here that are as passionate about their race as you, I would think they would speak up in your defense. You've taken every argument I've given to support the fact that black inequities have pretty much disappeared, and discredited them with lame supporting information. If it doesn't support your beliefs, you spin it into a racial inequity against the black people of this country. My response - "The NFL and NBA argument" Your response - "But how many blacks are in the NHL?", or "Yea, but how many black quarterbacks are in the NFL?" So if you're gonna break it down to that level, "How many blacks get involved with the saltwater aquarium hobby"? That's the point I was making. I think you need to look into the mirror and see who the true racist is.
I'm not taking anything as racists and no I haven't called you a racist. As far as my views in relation to the posts... I would bet that there are no more than 15 people that posted on this thread all togther, and as to race I would narrow that down to maybe 8 who posted specifically about that. I honestly don't know how many black people get involved with the saltwater fish hobby? I don't understand what that question has to do with anything? You are trying to accuse me of being something I'm not and saying I need to look in the mirror... look at your statements about Robert E Lee and MLK. You said that whites can't jump and blacks can't skate which are both very untrue statements based on stereotypes. You tried to point out that black QB's have had a fair shot in the NFL, where the very article you brought up suggested different. Then I could use the example of Donovan McNabb and his own words when he discussed the topic just last year. Than you have people talking about "there not a fat white person scholarship program" insinuating (spelling?) that some how the UNCF deprived them of the right to go to college.
Point is ... many of you are doing more whinning about how your opportunities are being taken away and that you are loosing your place in the USA. My take is that there are still racial inequalities in America. I would also say that there is far less of it and that there are much more opportunities for all minorities. I believe that the roots of slavery in this country are the reason why we have the race problems that we do. I also believe that black people are partly responsible for the problems we are currently dealing with. I believe in accountablity and hard work and the family are things that can be improved. I will also say that the problems discussed are largely experienced by poor black people. Economics and poverty among all races is thing that we need to be fighting. I believe that once we fix those issues... race relations and crime would take a 180 degree turn.
You said: " I've given to support the fact that black inequities have pretty much disappeared"
I can give you statistics in almost any area that supports this is not true. The gap has closed but again its not true. We can discuss more if you would like.

 

[stdreb27]

lol, McNabb is a sensitive subject for me, because he is the biggest baby besides eli manning in the NFL. And wet nurse andy reid is still running the show. I think it is silly to argue racism in the NFL or the NBA. Everyone there is black. It is silly to say oh black QB's don't get a fair shake. One could also argue (wrongly) that white running backs don't get a fair shake.

Why aren't their any white running backs?

If you think about it sports has always been on the forfront of racial issues. Because the benifit, winning the Championship is way better than being a bigot. the idea in sports, "whatever it takes." Doesn't stop at working out.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by rudedog40
I don't think Congress will ever pass a Universal Healthcare System, no matter whose president. The doctors and hospitals already complain about HMO's. They want to charge $75 for an office visit, and the insurance company only gives them $30. Being a doctor isn't the 'prestigious profession' any longer, because you can't make the big bucks anymore. The medical industry has too many lobbyist to squash any kind of universal system.
I can fully agree with you on the prescriptions. Pharmacutical costs have gone through the roof over the past decade. Insurance companies are raising the out-of-pockets on all the meds. Drug companies won't release generic versions of their popular meds because they can make more on the name brands. Doctors get kickbacks from the drug companies for prescribing the name brands instead of generic. At least companies like WalMart are trying to help. They only charge $5 for many of the most popular drugs that are prescribed.
It needs to be regulated. Take Jenny and Tobin for example. This is the perfect situation on how Universal Healthcare (coverage). I think Obama's plan is the best solution because it continues with the private care that most americans have and it also provides affordable health coverage for those who don't. I think an overhaul of the system would lower costs and while lowering expenses for hospitals.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
lol, McNabb is a sensitive subject for me, because he is the biggest baby besides eli manning in the NFL. And wet nurse andy reid is still running the show. I think it is silly to argue racism in the NFL or the NBA. Everyone there is black. It is silly to say oh black QB's don't get a fair shake. One could also argue (wrongly) that white running backs don't get a fair shake.

Why aren't their any white running backs?

If you think about it sports has always been on the forfront of racial issues. Because the benifit, winning the Championship is way better than being a bigot. the idea in sports, "whatever it takes." Doesn't stop at working out.
You know that is a good question about white RB's. Its not that I think they don't get a fair shake, but where are they? I think the NCAA needs to be looked at to see how many there are on that level. The only point I have about the NFL and the NCAA is the coaching disparity. As far as the NHL, along with any sport that some may consider predemonitally white... that blacks could excell in those as well if given the opportunity or if they had the desire to play them.

 

[rudedog40]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
It needs to be regulated. Take Jenny and Tobin for example. This is the perfect situation on how Universal Healthcare (coverage). I think Obama's plan is the best solution because it continues with the private care that most americans have and it also provides affordable health coverage for those who don't. I think an overhaul of the system would lower costs and while lowering expenses for hospitals.

Sorry, but I think Universal Healthcare would create a worse situation in regards to someone in Tobin's case. If anyone could enlighten us on that subject, I would imagine it would be Jenny. However, I don't think anyone with advanced stages of any form of cancer would receive the same type of care you would get by having the choice to choose the type of treatments you want to receive, and who to give them to you.
How can you have it both ways? You want everyone above a certain salary range to still have to pay top dollar for their medical expenses, but yet give it to the lower class for low, or no cost at all? That's called Medicaid, and we know how well that works. The hospital/medical industry has needed an 'overhaul' for years. Hospitals and doctors have raised their rates astronomically over time because the insurance companies that we pay so dearly refuse to give them the money they need to properly operate their facilities. Hospitals and doctors are a business. For them to continue running their businesses, they have to make a profit. Unless you can get the drug manufacturers and medical supply companies to cut their costs, and quit gouging these 'businesses' that use thier products exclusively, medical costs will only continue to rise.

 

[rudedog40]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
You know that is a good question about white RB's. Its not that I think they don't get a fair shake, but where are they? I think the NCAA needs to be looked at to see how many there are on that level. The only point I have about the NFL and the NCAA is the coaching disparity. As far as the NHL, along with any sport that some may consider predemonitally white... that blacks could excell in those as well if given the opportunity or if they had the desire to play them.

Like I said, there is no coaching disparity in the NFL or NCAA. Do you honestly think that in today's world either of these two institutions could exclude or refuse to hire/promote any black coach that was qualfied to do so at that high level? Believe me, that would be the major headline on every news service in the country. I suppose now you'll find some article to refute that claim. And the NHL? You had it half right. Omit your statement "if given the opportunity" from your comment. Blacks have every opportunity in the world to try out for an NHL team. What you did get right was your statement "if they had the desire to play". That's probably the logical reason why you don't see many blacks play in the NHL.

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by rudedog40
Sorry, but I think Universal Healthcare would create a worse situation in regards to someone in Tobin's case. If anyone could enlighten us on that subject, I would imagine it would be Jenny. However, I don't think anyone with advanced stages of any form of cancer would receive the same type of care you would get by having the choice to choose the type of treatments you want to receive, and who to give them to you.
How can you have it both ways? You want everyone above a certain salary range to still have to pay top dollar for their medical expenses, but yet give it to the lower class for low, or no cost at all? That's called Medicaid, and we know how well that works. The hospital/medical industry has needed an 'overhaul' for years. Hospitals and doctors have raised their rates astronomically over time because the insurance companies that we pay so dearly refuse to give them the money they need to properly operate their facilities. Hospitals and doctors are a business. For them to continue running their businesses, they have to make a profit. Unless you can get the drug manufacturers and medical supply companies to cut their costs, and quit gouging these 'businesses' that use thier products exclusively, medical costs will only continue to rise.
People would have the choice to have a gov't plan or private... bringing the cost down on private ins. This would give incentive for hospitals and insurance to be more effiecent to maximize profit. You say the system needs an overhaul... how else can you do it?

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by rudedog40
Like I said, there is no coaching disparity in the NFL or NCAA. Do you honestly think that in today's world either of these two institutions could exclude or refuse to hire/promote any black coach that was qualfied to do so at that high level? Believe me, that would be the major headline on every news service in the country. I suppose now you'll find some article to refute that claim. And the NHL? You had it half right. Omit your statement "if given the opportunity" from your comment. Blacks have every opportunity in the world to try out for an NHL team. What you did get right was your statement "if they had the desire to play". That's probably the logical reason why you don't see many blacks play in the NHL.

No I had it right. Take sports like golf, tennis, swimming, hockey, field hockey, lacrosse. On the junior level... like in high school. These sports are usually played in wealthy suburban areas that have low minority enrollments. Point is that that a majority of public schools don't offer these sports, particularly inner city schools and rural schools. 2nd, a sport like ice hockey is only played in certain parts of the country. So as I stated the opportunity part plays a large role. As far as desire... these sports are not popular american sports and are played at the same times of year as more popular sports such as basketball and football because they are fall and winter sports.
As far as the coaching disparity... look at the #'s. You say there are no qualified candidates which is untrue.... The story has been headlines... and leagues such as the NCAA, NFL, and NBA have tried to address it.
You expressed that these leauges are largely black and havs been for the last 20-30 years. Yet NCAA college coaches are only 9% black NCAA football.. NCAA basketball 16%.. NBA 16%. NFL 19%. ... Odds would be that there would be more qualified black coaches based on the sheer volume of much more african americans who have played in the league.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
You know that is a good question about white RB's. Its not that I think they don't get a fair shake, but where are they? I think the NCAA needs to be looked at to see how many there are on that level. The only point I have about the NFL and the NCAA is the coaching disparity. As far as the NHL, along with any sport that some may consider predemonitally white... that blacks could excell in those as well if given the opportunity or if they had the desire to play them.
lol, I found 1!!!
http://www.nfl.com/players/kyleeckel...e?id=ECK309504
I don't think they should do anything about it. It would ruin my argument about "racism" in football.

 

[rudedog40]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
People would have the choice to have a gov't plan or private... bringing the cost down on private ins. This would give incentive for hospitals and insurance to be more effiecent to maximize profit. You say the system needs an overhaul... how else can you do it?

First off, who is going to pay for this government plan, or how is it going to be paid? Private insurance is paid by individuals using some form of premium. Why would anyone choose private insurance if the government would be willing to pay for your insurance or healthcare? Like I said, we already have a government healthplan in place, Medicaid. You just can't use that unless you're over 65, or on welfare. You going to change the way we use that program? If so, I'd like to see where the money comes from... Oh that's right, INCREASE TAXES! I'm sure the Republicans will like that one.

 

[jennythebugg]

they told tobin he had to be officially disabled for 2 years before he could get medicare or medicaid 2 YEARS. i was pretty much a career housewife when tobin and i hooked up he said he wanted it to stay like that so he worked i stayed at home with my kids and his son then he got sick and could no longer work because of the weakness and the meds he was on so i went out and got the only jobs that a person with no formal education can get - restaurant work and under the table jobs , we barely scraped by just to buy groceries and pay the bills and meds . there are many thousands of families just like ours in this country which is supposed to be the best country in the world well sorry i disagree . i'm sorry if you think i'm some kind of bleeding heart liberal , children are going without doctors and medication because their parents cant afford to take them and they ' make too much money' so they cant get medicaid for them yet they live hand to mouth. last month here a man died from an infection he had in his teeth because he couldnt afford to pay for dental care ?????????? i know i no longer have the difficult situation with tobin anymore but now i have more empathy for those who do and the ones who get put there daily

 

[stdreb27]

I'm just tired of every time their is an inequality in the number of African Americans vs white people in a field, like QB's, Coaching else for that matter the question of racism is brought up. It is just silly. You have teams that are 80% minorities. (

) It is the boy who cried wolf. In my mind and makes me disregard any real problem, because I don't have time to go sift thru all the frivolous accusations.
And no we shouldn't go back through and "investigate" if teams are discriminating against white running backs. It would just be a witch hunt like so many of these other "investigations."

 

[rudedog40]

I really do sympathize with what you had to go through. I understand that there are gaps and people who 'fall through the cracks' to our current government-funded medical plan. It's not a perfect system, but was the only logical one Congress could come up with at the time. If you want that perfect health system where everyone in this country can just walk into the doctor or hospital, and get the treatments they need with little or no money out of their pockets, someone is going to have to come up with a way to fund it. Our current tax system can't handle the burden, and with the Federal Deficit in the TRILLIONS, I doubt Congress can find any extra money around to support the cause (unless we do the right thing and quit spending BILLIONS of dollars on the Iraq war).

 

[rylan1]

Originally Posted by rudedog40
First off, who is going to pay for this government plan, or how is it going to be paid? Private insurance is paid by individuals using some form of premium. Why would anyone choose private insurance if the government would be willing to pay for your insurance or healthcare? Like I said, we already have a government healthplan in place, Medicaid. You just can't use that unless you're over 65, or on welfare. You going to change the way we use that program? If so, I'd like to see where the money comes from... Oh that's right, INCREASE TAXES! I'm sure the Republicans will like that one.
First the system would cost $50-$65 billion which would be federal. The plan would have monthly premiums and copays like private ins. The plan would be targeted towards people with no insurance. It would also be open to others who wanted to switch and pay for it. It also would be deducted from payroll like other ins. This is Obama's plan... Hilary's is a more true univeral plan.
Face it... reducing taxes is going to be an empty promise. Think about... if the war in Iraq continues... if we build the fence along the border...reduce the defecit....invest in new and domestic energy. A "fair tax" will reduce the tax base... So where are we going to get the money to fund these projects... Social Security... think about it.