Republican Candidates

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
I figured you may say that...
So is Univision a black media organization? I do believe that many hispanic americans have voted republican in past elections... They were also ignored. My case in point is a true American candidate should make themselves available to all americans and american voters.
A true American would not belong to a group that set is self aside by race.
Why should a presidential candidate hold a debate in a foriegn language? That is what the univision debate was. What percentage of LEGAL voters in this country can only speak spanish? Seeing as how speaking english is a requirement for naturalization can't be a whole lot.
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by Rylan1
As far as impeachment... I don't know if they should or shouldn't... but I know that it should be considered and investigated in full.
I can't believe you even considered calling yourself a Republican at the onset of this.
 

rudedog40

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Rylan1 said:
Originally Posted by rudedog40
Sports is not a good example, but since you want to take it there we can talk about it lets just look at the disparity in coaching in NCAA and professional sports. Lets look at the quarterback debate. ...etc..etc. These are still issues and were larger issues just a couple years ago.

Why isn't sports a good example? It isn't to you because it proves you wrong about racial inequities. Don't go with the 'black coach' diatribe. It's called QUALIFICATIONS. Just because you played a few years in the league, doesn't mean you're qualified to coach. Quaterback debate? Now you have to be joking. Uh, Vince Young, Randall Cunningham, Rodney Peete, Andre Ware, Warren Moon, Steve McNair, Kordell Stewart, Donovan McNabb, Daunte Culpepper, and of course the dogfighting jailbird himself, Michael Vick. And that's just successful quarterbacks from the last 15 or so years.
 

reefraff

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If we are going to get so worked up over the disparity in one particular color of coach why not talk about affirmative action among players? Hell what about the gays, disabled etc.
 

rylan1

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1. This what I said "I've been watching both races very closeley. I am a Obama supporter, but from the GOP side... I liked McCain to start with"
- I never said I was of the GOP party, I simply said in other words I support Obama, I were to vote for a republican it would be McCain" however, my favorablity among rebulican candidate McCain has diminished - You are misreading my quote just like my name.
2. Columbus was italian ... but sailed for Spain... So this can be debated to if he had citizenship with Spain or not.. Point remains the same that there is a holiday for a person who was "italian, german..." as stated up above. To debate if he was a murderer... Why debate it is true. We have a holiday that celebrates a murderer who knew he did not discover america...The king knew about America. He was also a theif. Research the about the real Christopher Columbus and the things that were going on at that time.
3. As far as health care .. I meant health coverage which I corrected later. And many people are denied the health care they need.
4. The GOP tax plan is liberal if it calls for terminating the existing tax plan.
5. Obama's plan is not a fully universal plan... It provides insurance to those who do not have it...
6. It would assit small business because many them are not able to afford the current plans available to them because of their low # of employees.
7. Colonialism in Africa has sucked the content dry. There are a few reasons for war there. Wars for contol of resources to sell to west, religious wars, genetic wars, wars for control of food. Europe has exploited Africa for centuries.
8. Racism is a national problem.. Obama would change some peoples beliefs about race, he would actively try to find ways to unite us all. He would change perceptions that a black person is unable to reach the highest level of office which some people still believe.
9. As far as the sharecropping thing.. I left a response that you could not, did not respond to. Sharecropping was just an adaptation of slavery after the war. It served the same purpose even though blacks were able to go as they pleased... they were tied to the land, lived on the land. Look into it more.
10. The power struggle b/w two opposing forces is the same regardless of who you think is right. Both sides have the mindset that they are doing the right thing. If we were russian we would feel exactly how we feel as americans.. just on different sides.
11. Read the Bible and you will see that he was considered a radical (heretic) among Jewish leaders at that time. Remember when he went into the Temple and called all the rabbis and leaders out and tossed things around...John 2:13-16.. The jewish leaders wanted to kill Jesus and plotted to do so... Caphius saw Jesus as a threat to the existing religious order.
As far #7 the west (U.S and Europe) I can further expand on this if you would like. I have some info I can share... but here is a little conflicts and wars played the most important role in all analysed television stations in Britain, Germany and the United States. But subtracting from this coverage Iraq and Afghanistan, only 0.2% (n=507) of all reports (N=23587) focused on conflicts in Africa. You can equate what is going in with Africa as WWIII. In Angola alone 500,000 people have been killed since 1989.
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
1. This what I said "I've been watching both races very closeley. I am a Obama supporter, but from the GOP side... I liked McCain to start with"
- I never said I was of the GOP party, I simply said in other words I support Obama, I were to vote for a republican it would be McCain" however, my favorablity among rebulican candidate McCain has diminished - You are misreading my quote just like my name.
lol, I see what you mean now. Maybe next time, you should put it, I am a Obama supporter. But from the GOP side, I like McCain...
Or I support Obama. But if I were to vote for a republican I'd vote for McCain.
Because I read, I am an Obama supporter, but I am from the GOP side, and so did just about everyone else here.
Now I'm not knocking you, everyone messes up punctuation.
 

rylan1

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rudedog40 said:
Originally Posted by Rylan1
Why isn't sports a good example? It isn't to you because it proves you wrong about racial inequities. Don't go with the 'black coach' diatribe. It's called QUALIFICATIONS. Just because you played a few years in the league, doesn't mean you're qualified to coach. Quaterback debate? Now you have to be joking. Uh, Vince Young, Randall Cunningham, Rodney Peete, Andre Ware, Warren Moon, Steve McNair, Kordell Stewart, Donovan McNabb, Daunte Culpepper, and of course the dogfighting jailbird himself, Michael Vick. And that's just successful quarterbacks from the last 15 or so years.
We have NFL coaches who have no NFL playing experience. Look around the leauge.. there are black assistants. The fact is the same coaches are just recycled. In leauges where blacks make anywhere between 60%- 80% of players and has 10% of black coaches is not because of a lack of experience. The Qbs' you mention are mostly QB's that play today or have played in the 2000's. You've also listed almost all of them. The belief is that they can not be pocket QB's.
 

rylan1

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Originally Posted by reefraff
A true American would not belong to a group that set is self aside by race.
Why should a presidential candidate hold a debate in a foriegn language? That is what the univision debate was. What percentage of LEGAL voters in this country can only speak spanish? Seeing as how speaking english is a requirement for naturalization can't be a whole lot.
The purpose of attending those media events are to make themselves available to those audiences. Someone mentioned above that that network Univision has more viewers among a particular demogrphic than the other networks combined... I don't know how true that is ... Its not that you have to cater to anyone... but people want to know how you would address what concerns them most, which is not always the same as the majority.
 

rylan1

Active Member
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
No, people need to take responsibilities themselves. Not expect someone else to do things for them or to help them.
I was raised in public education. I have no college degree. I never went to college. I am 32 years old. From the age of 18-32 I have held two jobs. My first, I started at the bottom, very bottom. I worked my way up and became the plant manager within 5 years. I held that position untill I moved. I moved to new mexico. I got a job in the same field (pay was not the same, way less). I moved up and became the highest paid emplyee within 9 months. I was later let go as the owner was going to give my job to his did. I did not complain. I shook his hand, said thanks for the opportunity and left. I did not go get unemplyment. I turned around and started my own business. My fiance last year quite her job at the post office making 25 dollars an hour to come work fulltime in our business.
I do work part-time at home depot for insurance purposes, however, do not give me that crap that it is the fault of our education system that people fail. I am basically "uneducated" as I have NEVER set foot in a college classroom. Yet out of my graduating class of 1993, I am the third most successful. 75% of my class graduated college.
My point is education is not the end all with life success. My other point s you do not need goverment intervention to assist you in life if you are willing to go through struggles....and overcome. THAT is the problem with our country today. Very few sacrifice to make it ahead, They want their cake and eat it to. and no amount of government programs will change this.
If you make your kids do chores for an allowance, they appreciate what they earn. If you give them anything the want while growing up without ever "earning" things, the become

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To turn this country around, it has to start in the homes. and no amount of education or government programs will instill that in people.
I don't have any problem with what you say here. Another problem I see here is that it often is about who you know ... This excludes many minorities because there father is not a CEO, many jobs are passed along to people they know or are related to. There has been a monopoly on many jobs in america based on race or family history. As far as education... the problem is that many people aren't getting the education they need in H.S. The disparity in test scores is not because whites are smarter. The tests are are skewed.
 

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
lol, I see what you mean now. Maybe next time, you should put it, I am a Obama supporter. But from the GOP side, I like McCain....
Exactly. Makes sense to me now too.
 

1journeyman

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Rylan (sorry, assumed your name was Ryan)
I'm not going to debate point by point all of the issues back and forth with you. That said, I'll stand by my position that you have a habit of sometimes throwing out comments that are not based on facts. (universal health care, Obama's tax plans, unemployment in the country, Obama uniting the country (he certainly hasn't reached out to me...), etc.
 

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
I don't have any problem with what you say here. Another problem I see here is that it often is about who you know ... This excludes many minorities because there father is not a CEO, many jobs are passed along to people they know or are related to. There has been a monopoly on many jobs in america based on race or family history. As far as education... the problem is that many people aren't getting the education they need in H.S. The disparity in test scores is not because whites are smarter. The tests are are skewed.
It isn't always who you know. Once again, another excuse, how many more can you throw out?
My experience tells me if you have the willingness and drive, you can over come ANY obstacle. stop making excuses because someone doesn't have personal responsibility. By that I mean the willingness to take care of yourself and do what needs done for yourself and family to overcome.
What I find really amusing is the black struggle for equal rights in the 1960's was an action that was taken by the people themselves. They didn't wait for the government to fix or correct things, they protested, marched, spoke out, and stood up for their rights. They struggled and overcame....through personal responsibility because no one else was going to do it for them....
There are very few success stories that start out, I lost my job and collected welfare and food stamps for.................
 

1journeyman

Active Member
Originally Posted by stdreb27
So, which Republican candidate do we dislike the least?
Guiliani and Thompson
Thompson because he's actually a Conservative, and Guiliani because he doesn't act like someone he's not and I trust he'd appoint judges who actually have read and understand the Constitution.
 

mfp1016

Member
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
Rylan (sorry, assumed your name was Ryan)
I'm not going to debate point by point all of the issues back and forth with you. That said, I'll stand by my position that you have a habit of sometimes throwing out comments that are not based on facts. (universal health care, Obama's tax plans, unemployment in the country, Obama uniting the country (he certainly hasn't reached out to me...), etc.
Got to love Journeyman, you have more patience than me.
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
Guiliani and Thompson
Thompson because he's actually a Conservative, and Guiliani because he doesn't act like someone he's not and I trust he'd appoint judges who actually have read and understand the Constitution.
Do you actually believe Rudy? That whole Constructionist judge thing, makes me wonder, because that is up to interpretation. You have libbers, saying that our judges aren't contructionists after all, I wish I'd say and mean, constructionists based on the Rights definition of contructionist.
 

1journeyman

Active Member
Originally Posted by stdreb27
Do you actually believe Rudy? That whole Constructionist judge thing, makes me wonder, because that is up to interpretation. You have libbers, saying that our judges aren't contructionists after all, I wish I'd say and mean, constructionists based on the Rights definition of contructionist.
Ya, I actually do believe him. Only because he's been so open about his personal beliefs and hasn't tried to spin them.
Huckabee and Romney both, to me, seem more willing to re-invent themselves for votes.
 

rudedog40

Member
Rylan1 said:
Originally Posted by rudedog40
We have NFL coaches who have no NFL playing experience. Look around the leauge.. there are black assistants. The fact is the same coaches are just recycled. In leauges where blacks make anywhere between 60%- 80% of players and has 10% of black coaches is not because of a lack of experience. The Qbs' you mention are mostly QB's that play today or have played in the 2000's. You've also listed almost all of them. The belief is that they can not be pocket QB's.

You want a complete history of black quaterbacks? Here...
http://www.blackathlete.net/artman/p...le_01018.shtml
 

rudedog40

Member
Originally Posted by Rylan1
I don't have any problem with what you say here. Another problem I see here is that it often is about who you know ... This excludes many minorities because there father is not a CEO, many jobs are passed along to people they know or are related to. There has been a monopoly on many jobs in america based on race or family history. As far as education... the problem is that many people aren't getting the education they need in H.S. The disparity in test scores is not because whites are smarter. The tests are are skewed.

It's come to my understanding that arguing with you over the issue of black inequalities has become an effort in futility. You are the epitome of the common African American who resides in this country. No matter what people tell you, no matter what proof is given to you, you will skew it to show that the Black American that resides in this country is still being discrimated against, always has, and always will. You relish the 'wins' where city, states, or major organizations tear down their monuments to the Civil War (because of course that reminds you of those tragic days of slavery). Ironic that you don't fight to tear down monuments like the Lincoln Memorial. Although he came up with the Emancipation Proclomation, he represented the North, where there were just as many slaves. This mindset you apparently have is what keeps the racial barriers up, and causes riffs between the blacks and whites. Until you finally come to terms with your past, and the fact that those tragic times cannot be changed or reversed, nothing anyone says to you will convince you that the days of black inequities and lack of opportunities are pretty much gone.
 
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