Republican Candidates
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1journeyman
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Originally Posted by Tarball
When did wanting peace become treason ???? ....
Telling the world the "surge" has failed a month into it, visiting terrorist states (pelosi in Syria), accepting money from China in bribes, etc...
When did wanting peace become treason ???? ....
Telling the world the "surge" has failed a month into it, visiting terrorist states (pelosi in Syria), accepting money from China in bribes, etc...
rylan1
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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
One of the greatest factors of poverty for all races in thsi country has nothing to do with education or the economy. It has to do with women trying to raise children in fatherless homes. This, to a large extent, is based solely on personal choice.
Blaming education is also a weak argument as the public education system has produced a lot of very successful people.
It comes down to personal responsibility. The Republicans believe in it and the Dems want to transfer it to the government.
I agree with the fatherless homes and accountablity. But education and changes in the economy and instustry also affect homes. You also have to ask why are homes fatherless... personal responsiblity is a large factor but what else.
The public education system needs fixed... parents also need to take more responsiblity in childrens lives. Its a vicious cycle with many things being contributing factors... How do we break the cycle?
One of the greatest factors of poverty for all races in thsi country has nothing to do with education or the economy. It has to do with women trying to raise children in fatherless homes. This, to a large extent, is based solely on personal choice.
Blaming education is also a weak argument as the public education system has produced a lot of very successful people.
It comes down to personal responsibility. The Republicans believe in it and the Dems want to transfer it to the government.
I agree with the fatherless homes and accountablity. But education and changes in the economy and instustry also affect homes. You also have to ask why are homes fatherless... personal responsiblity is a large factor but what else.
The public education system needs fixed... parents also need to take more responsiblity in childrens lives. Its a vicious cycle with many things being contributing factors... How do we break the cycle?
rylan1
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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
Telling the world the "surge" has failed a month into it, visiting terrorist states (pelosi in Syria), accepting money from China in bribes, etc...
The surge has not met all its objectives.. Not a complete failure or success.. but it fell short of achieving its goals.
But don't even get started because many people think Bush/Cheney should be impeached.
Telling the world the "surge" has failed a month into it, visiting terrorist states (pelosi in Syria), accepting money from China in bribes, etc...
The surge has not met all its objectives.. Not a complete failure or success.. but it fell short of achieving its goals.
But don't even get started because many people think Bush/Cheney should be impeached.
mfp1016
Member
First off, let me say, I did not read the whole topic, just the first page and the last page.
Secondly, why are we debating democrat vs. republican for 1000th time? This thread seems like it was started to promote rhetoric, and discussion about Republican candidates. I don't think its very fair to intrude on this thread with bi-partisan politics.
Secondly, why are we debating democrat vs. republican for 1000th time? This thread seems like it was started to promote rhetoric, and discussion about Republican candidates. I don't think its very fair to intrude on this thread with bi-partisan politics.
burch2006
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Rylan what was your point on the unemployment rate? The person running for prez has NOTHING to do with the unemployment. Go after your local officials. You and I are not so far from each other, and we both now what the job status is in our respective areas. Akron is in shambles, and Canton has little to no businesses coming, oh but we do have 5 walmarts
. Wasnt that brilliant!
stdreb27
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Originally Posted by mfp1016
First off, let me say, I did not read the whole topic, just the first page and the last page.
Secondly, why are we debating democrat vs. republican for 1000th time? This thread seems like it was started to promote rhetoric, and discussion about Republican candidates. I don't think its very fair to intrude on this thread with bi-partisan politics.
as the starter, I gave up after it got highjacked a loong time ago. I tried about 4 times to redirect it. But as usual my respectful requests were ignored. So I gave up.
Bored at work anyway.
First off, let me say, I did not read the whole topic, just the first page and the last page.
Secondly, why are we debating democrat vs. republican for 1000th time? This thread seems like it was started to promote rhetoric, and discussion about Republican candidates. I don't think its very fair to intrude on this thread with bi-partisan politics.
as the starter, I gave up after it got highjacked a loong time ago. I tried about 4 times to redirect it. But as usual my respectful requests were ignored. So I gave up.
Bored at work anyway.
rylan1
Active Member
Originally Posted by burch2006
Rylan what was your point on the unemployment rate? The person running for prez has NOTHING to do with the unemployment. Go after your local officials. You and I are not so far from each other, and we both now what the job status is in our respective areas. Akron is in shambles, and Canton has little to no businesses coming, oh but we do have 5 walmarts
. Wasnt that brilliant!
I agree. much more locally needs to be done. The problem is we need to get large businesses to move here.. We were both hit with our large industries moving oversees or other parts of the country. The prez has a lot to do with employement because their leadership and policies have the ability to generate or reduce jobs.
Rylan what was your point on the unemployment rate? The person running for prez has NOTHING to do with the unemployment. Go after your local officials. You and I are not so far from each other, and we both now what the job status is in our respective areas. Akron is in shambles, and Canton has little to no businesses coming, oh but we do have 5 walmarts
I agree. much more locally needs to be done. The problem is we need to get large businesses to move here.. We were both hit with our large industries moving oversees or other parts of the country. The prez has a lot to do with employement because their leadership and policies have the ability to generate or reduce jobs.
mfp1016
Member
Originally Posted by stdreb27
as the starter, I gave up after it got highjacked a loong time ago. I tried about 4 times to redirect it. But as usual my respectful requests were ignored. So I gave up.
Bored at work anyway.
Yeah, I figured as much, thats why I decreed my laziness stating I didn't read most of it.
Sorry for the redundancy.
as the starter, I gave up after it got highjacked a loong time ago. I tried about 4 times to redirect it. But as usual my respectful requests were ignored. So I gave up.
Bored at work anyway.
Yeah, I figured as much, thats why I decreed my laziness stating I didn't read most of it.
Sorry for the redundancy.
1journeyman
Active Member
Originally Posted by Rylan1
The surge has not met all its objectives.. Not a complete failure or success.. but it fell short of achieving its goals.
But don't even get started because many people think Bush/Cheney should be impeached.
Dems were saying the surge failed less than a month into it....
And the folks that say Bush/Cheney should be impeached are political hacks that wouldn't recognize the US Constitution if you hit them with it.
The surge has not met all its objectives.. Not a complete failure or success.. but it fell short of achieving its goals.
But don't even get started because many people think Bush/Cheney should be impeached.
Dems were saying the surge failed less than a month into it....
And the folks that say Bush/Cheney should be impeached are political hacks that wouldn't recognize the US Constitution if you hit them with it.
1journeyman
Active Member
Originally Posted by Rylan1
... what other times have I been corrected? ....
*Well, first off you said you were an Obama supporter from the "GOP" side and that Obama will get a lot of Republican support. Not facts to correct, per say, but certainly not particularly honest.
As for facts:
*You said the rich are taxed less
*You said Obama's health care plan wasn't a universal one, even though I quoted Obama calling it a Universal plan
*You said "People are saying his tax plan takes money out of their pocket and it doesn't except for maybe 5% of Americans or less". Obama's suggested SS tax alone would tax many more than that. He also has proposed doubling the Capital Gains Tax. Again, that would affect far more than 5%.
*You said everyone does not have health care
*You made the point that Obama's health care plan would assist small business, when in fact Obama's plan would cost small businesses more. Obama has said "virtually all businesses would have to share in the cost of coverage for their workers"
*You call me "misinformed" when I called Obama's plan "Universal"
*You said unemployment was "at a high right now"
*Called the GOP's tax plan "very liberal"
*You said the wars currently going on in Africa were the fault's of the USA and Europe.
*Said the USSR's power struggle and the American were the same thing
and asked "what's the difference?"
*Called sharecropping and reconstruction slavery
*You called Columbus a "murderous Spaniard" He wasn't a particularly nice guy-maybe even was a murderer, though that could be debated. He wasn't a spaniard for sure, however.
*The whole "voting for Obama would address racism" thing and then ignoring the many examples of elected officials in the country that are American-Africans
*You said Republicans have not made themselves available to American-Africans. Unless they've been banned from rallies, etc. this is untrue.
*Said Jesus was considered an "extreme radical" in his day. The truth is there is no evidence or writing from His day suggesting this at all.
These are in this thread... if we hopped over to some of the other's I'd have more.
... what other times have I been corrected? ....
*Well, first off you said you were an Obama supporter from the "GOP" side and that Obama will get a lot of Republican support. Not facts to correct, per say, but certainly not particularly honest.
As for facts:
*You said the rich are taxed less
*You said Obama's health care plan wasn't a universal one, even though I quoted Obama calling it a Universal plan
*You said "People are saying his tax plan takes money out of their pocket and it doesn't except for maybe 5% of Americans or less". Obama's suggested SS tax alone would tax many more than that. He also has proposed doubling the Capital Gains Tax. Again, that would affect far more than 5%.
*You said everyone does not have health care
*You made the point that Obama's health care plan would assist small business, when in fact Obama's plan would cost small businesses more. Obama has said "virtually all businesses would have to share in the cost of coverage for their workers"
*You call me "misinformed" when I called Obama's plan "Universal"
*You said unemployment was "at a high right now"
*Called the GOP's tax plan "very liberal"
*You said the wars currently going on in Africa were the fault's of the USA and Europe.
*Said the USSR's power struggle and the American were the same thing
and asked "what's the difference?"
*Called sharecropping and reconstruction slavery
*You called Columbus a "murderous Spaniard" He wasn't a particularly nice guy-maybe even was a murderer, though that could be debated. He wasn't a spaniard for sure, however.
*The whole "voting for Obama would address racism" thing and then ignoring the many examples of elected officials in the country that are American-Africans
*You said Republicans have not made themselves available to American-Africans. Unless they've been banned from rallies, etc. this is untrue.
*Said Jesus was considered an "extreme radical" in his day. The truth is there is no evidence or writing from His day suggesting this at all.
These are in this thread... if we hopped over to some of the other's I'd have more.
darthtang aw
Active Member
Originally Posted by Rylan1
The public education system needs fixed... parents also need to take more responsiblity in childrens lives. Its a vicious cycle with many things being contributing factors... How do we break the cycle?
No, people need to take responsibilities themselves. Not expect someone else to do things for them or to help them.
I was raised in public education. I have no college degree. I never went to college. I am 32 years old. From the age of 18-32 I have held two jobs. My first, I started at the bottom, very bottom. I worked my way up and became the plant manager within 5 years. I held that position untill I moved. I moved to new mexico. I got a job in the same field (pay was not the same, way less). I moved up and became the highest paid emplyee within 9 months. I was later let go as the owner was going to give my job to his did. I did not complain. I shook his hand, said thanks for the opportunity and left. I did not go get unemplyment. I turned around and started my own business. My fiance last year quite her job at the post office making 25 dollars an hour to come work fulltime in our business.
I do work part-time at home depot for insurance purposes, however, do not give me that crap that it is the fault of our education system that people fail. I am basically "uneducated" as I have NEVER set foot in a college classroom. Yet out of my graduating class of 1993, I am the third most successful. 75% of my class graduated college.
My point is education is not the end all with life success. My other point s you do not need goverment intervention to assist you in life if you are willing to go through struggles....and overcome. THAT is the problem with our country today. Very few sacrifice to make it ahead, They want their cake and eat it to. and no amount of government programs will change this.
If you make your kids do chores for an allowance, they appreciate what they earn. If you give them anything the want while growing up without ever "earning" things, the become
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To turn this country around, it has to start in the homes. and no amount of education or government programs will instill that in people.
The public education system needs fixed... parents also need to take more responsiblity in childrens lives. Its a vicious cycle with many things being contributing factors... How do we break the cycle?
No, people need to take responsibilities themselves. Not expect someone else to do things for them or to help them.
I was raised in public education. I have no college degree. I never went to college. I am 32 years old. From the age of 18-32 I have held two jobs. My first, I started at the bottom, very bottom. I worked my way up and became the plant manager within 5 years. I held that position untill I moved. I moved to new mexico. I got a job in the same field (pay was not the same, way less). I moved up and became the highest paid emplyee within 9 months. I was later let go as the owner was going to give my job to his did. I did not complain. I shook his hand, said thanks for the opportunity and left. I did not go get unemplyment. I turned around and started my own business. My fiance last year quite her job at the post office making 25 dollars an hour to come work fulltime in our business.
I do work part-time at home depot for insurance purposes, however, do not give me that crap that it is the fault of our education system that people fail. I am basically "uneducated" as I have NEVER set foot in a college classroom. Yet out of my graduating class of 1993, I am the third most successful. 75% of my class graduated college.
My point is education is not the end all with life success. My other point s you do not need goverment intervention to assist you in life if you are willing to go through struggles....and overcome. THAT is the problem with our country today. Very few sacrifice to make it ahead, They want their cake and eat it to. and no amount of government programs will change this.
If you make your kids do chores for an allowance, they appreciate what they earn. If you give them anything the want while growing up without ever "earning" things, the become
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To turn this country around, it has to start in the homes. and no amount of education or government programs will instill that in people.
mfp1016
Member
Originally Posted by Rylan1
I agree. much more locally needs to be done. The problem is we need to get large businesses to move here.. We were both hit with our large industries moving oversees or other parts of the country. The prez has a lot to do with employement because their leadership and policies have the ability to generate or reduce jobs.
As a politician, and leader of this country its unarguable that he has some effect on employment, or more aptly the availability of jobs. But as someone has pointed out before, when you can drive down the street and see a number of "Help Wanted" signs, logic maintains that it is no longer a government, political, or even societal issue. It seems to me that there are plenty of jobs available, its just that people are unwilling to seek them out. Its not the job of the president or government to offer you your dream job in a flailing midwest town. I know there are plenty of jobs here in CA.
I agree. much more locally needs to be done. The problem is we need to get large businesses to move here.. We were both hit with our large industries moving oversees or other parts of the country. The prez has a lot to do with employement because their leadership and policies have the ability to generate or reduce jobs.
As a politician, and leader of this country its unarguable that he has some effect on employment, or more aptly the availability of jobs. But as someone has pointed out before, when you can drive down the street and see a number of "Help Wanted" signs, logic maintains that it is no longer a government, political, or even societal issue. It seems to me that there are plenty of jobs available, its just that people are unwilling to seek them out. Its not the job of the president or government to offer you your dream job in a flailing midwest town. I know there are plenty of jobs here in CA.
1journeyman
Active Member
And Ryan, btw, I respect your passion in these discussions, I just feel we get sidetracked because sometimes you post things that then have to be corrected... it leads us back and forth on a lot of rabbit trails.
stdreb27
Active Member
oh i don't know, if a guy walked into the church, opened the holy book, read a prophecy about the comming of the Messiah, closed the Book and said, these things are fulfilled today. that in my mind would be Radical. following the definition, 3. Favoring or effecting fundamental or revolutionary changes in current practices, conditions, or institutions. I have no problem using that definition in regards to Him.
rylan1
Active Member
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
Dems were saying the surge failed less than a month into it....
And the folks that say Bush/Cheney should be impeached are political hacks that wouldn't recognize the US Constitution if you hit them with it.
Well lets forget what was said then... as of today has it fully accomplished its goal?
As far as impeachment... I don't know if they should or shouldn't... but I know that it should be considered and investigated in full.
Dems were saying the surge failed less than a month into it....
And the folks that say Bush/Cheney should be impeached are political hacks that wouldn't recognize the US Constitution if you hit them with it.
Well lets forget what was said then... as of today has it fully accomplished its goal?
As far as impeachment... I don't know if they should or shouldn't... but I know that it should be considered and investigated in full.
darthtang aw
Active Member
Originally Posted by Rylan1
I agree. much more locally needs to be done. The problem is we need to get large businesses to move here.. We were both hit with our large industries moving oversees or other parts of the country. The prez has a lot to do with employement because their leadership and policies have the ability to generate or reduce jobs.
Most of the blame falls on your local government. hat is the tax rate against business where you live. ALOT of business have moved to more tax friendly states and left the higher taxed states. This is cause for your higher unemployment. As well as the increase in minimum wage in some cities.
Santa fe raised the minimum wage to almost 11 dollars in their city. Many small business have let a lot of their employees go because the could not afford to pay someone to do menial tasks anymore such as janitorial services. And I am talking small business that have maybe 1000 square foot of business property to work in. If you have only 3-4 areas with minimal trash and mess, why pay someone 11 dollars an hour (usually a high school kid in the evenings) to come clean things up when you can just do it yourself.
I agree. much more locally needs to be done. The problem is we need to get large businesses to move here.. We were both hit with our large industries moving oversees or other parts of the country. The prez has a lot to do with employement because their leadership and policies have the ability to generate or reduce jobs.
Most of the blame falls on your local government. hat is the tax rate against business where you live. ALOT of business have moved to more tax friendly states and left the higher taxed states. This is cause for your higher unemployment. As well as the increase in minimum wage in some cities.
Santa fe raised the minimum wage to almost 11 dollars in their city. Many small business have let a lot of their employees go because the could not afford to pay someone to do menial tasks anymore such as janitorial services. And I am talking small business that have maybe 1000 square foot of business property to work in. If you have only 3-4 areas with minimal trash and mess, why pay someone 11 dollars an hour (usually a high school kid in the evenings) to come clean things up when you can just do it yourself.
darthtang aw
Active Member
Originally Posted by Rylan1
As far as impeachment... I don't know if they should or shouldn't... but I know that it should be considered and investigated in full.
why? what is the reason. Atleast with clinton, there was the charge of perjury. What would you charge Bush/Cheney with?
As far as impeachment... I don't know if they should or shouldn't... but I know that it should be considered and investigated in full.
why? what is the reason. Atleast with clinton, there was the charge of perjury. What would you charge Bush/Cheney with?