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tarball
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rylan1
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Originally Posted by Tarball
Brief History of America
That left some things out... but kind of a summary.
Brief History of America
That left some things out... but kind of a summary.
rylan1
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Originally Posted by rudedog40
It's come to my understanding that arguing with you over the issue of black inequalities has become an effort in futility. You are the epitome of the common African American who resides in this country. No matter what people tell you, no matter what proof is given to you, you will skew it to show that the Black American that resides in this country is still being discrimated against, always has, and always will. You relish the 'wins' where city, states, or major organizations tear down their monuments to the Civil War (because of course that reminds you of those tragic days of slavery). Ironic that you don't fight to tear down monuments like the Lincoln Memorial. Although he came up with the Emancipation Proclomation, he represented the North, where there were just as many slaves. This mindset you apparently have is what keeps the racial barriers up, and causes riffs between the blacks and whites. Until you finally come to terms with your past, and the fact that those tragic times cannot be changed or reversed, nothing anyone says to you will convince you that the days of black inequities and lack of opportunities are pretty much gone.
why would we fight to tear down the Lincoln memorial?There were not just as many slaves in the north... Second Logic would tell you that there would not be as much of a need for slaves in the North due to the cold climate. Why did slaves want to escape to the North?
Your arguements have no accuracy and are just opinions based your personal view of history. The very person that signed the document to free the slaves....and you ask why we don't fight to tear down the Lincoln Memorial? Your comments are written out very nicely, but it lacks common sense.
It's come to my understanding that arguing with you over the issue of black inequalities has become an effort in futility. You are the epitome of the common African American who resides in this country. No matter what people tell you, no matter what proof is given to you, you will skew it to show that the Black American that resides in this country is still being discrimated against, always has, and always will. You relish the 'wins' where city, states, or major organizations tear down their monuments to the Civil War (because of course that reminds you of those tragic days of slavery). Ironic that you don't fight to tear down monuments like the Lincoln Memorial. Although he came up with the Emancipation Proclomation, he represented the North, where there were just as many slaves. This mindset you apparently have is what keeps the racial barriers up, and causes riffs between the blacks and whites. Until you finally come to terms with your past, and the fact that those tragic times cannot be changed or reversed, nothing anyone says to you will convince you that the days of black inequities and lack of opportunities are pretty much gone.
why would we fight to tear down the Lincoln memorial?There were not just as many slaves in the north... Second Logic would tell you that there would not be as much of a need for slaves in the North due to the cold climate. Why did slaves want to escape to the North?
Your arguements have no accuracy and are just opinions based your personal view of history. The very person that signed the document to free the slaves....and you ask why we don't fight to tear down the Lincoln Memorial? Your comments are written out very nicely, but it lacks common sense.
mfp1016
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Originally Posted by Rylan1
why would we fight to tear down the Lincoln memorial?There were not just as many slaves in the north... Second Logic would tell you that there would not be as much of a need for slaves in the North due to the cold climate. Why did slaves want to escape to the North?
Your arguements have no accuracy and are just opinions based your personal view of history. The very person that signed the document to free the slaves....and you ask why we don't fight to tear down the Lincoln Memorial? Your comments are written out very nicely, but it lacks common sense.
Actually if you read Lincoln's essays, decrees, et al. from the time period you will find that he was not the great African-Emancipator everyone makes him out to be. One of several examples (I feel like Journeyman, delivering facts, not just Wikipedia-derived speculation),
"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume V, "Letter to Horace Greeley" (August 22, 1862), p. 388.
There were many many many slaves in the North. Most historians agree that the large majority of Northern citizens in the US at the time were not abolitionists, like Lincoln, Northerns saw fit to preserve the Union.
Don't get me wrong, the Lincoln Memorial should stay.
why would we fight to tear down the Lincoln memorial?There were not just as many slaves in the north... Second Logic would tell you that there would not be as much of a need for slaves in the North due to the cold climate. Why did slaves want to escape to the North?
Your arguements have no accuracy and are just opinions based your personal view of history. The very person that signed the document to free the slaves....and you ask why we don't fight to tear down the Lincoln Memorial? Your comments are written out very nicely, but it lacks common sense.
Actually if you read Lincoln's essays, decrees, et al. from the time period you will find that he was not the great African-Emancipator everyone makes him out to be. One of several examples (I feel like Journeyman, delivering facts, not just Wikipedia-derived speculation),
"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume V, "Letter to Horace Greeley" (August 22, 1862), p. 388.
There were many many many slaves in the North. Most historians agree that the large majority of Northern citizens in the US at the time were not abolitionists, like Lincoln, Northerns saw fit to preserve the Union.
Don't get me wrong, the Lincoln Memorial should stay.
tangman99
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rudedog40 said:Originally Posted by Rylan1
Why isn't sports a good example? It isn't to you because it proves you wrong about racial inequities. Don't go with the 'black coach' diatribe. It's called QUALIFICATIONS. Just because you played a few years in the league, doesn't mean you're qualified to coach. Quaterback debate? Now you have to be joking. Uh, Vince Young, Randall Cunningham, Rodney Peete, Andre Ware, Warren Moon, Steve McNair, Kordell Stewart, Donovan McNabb, Daunte Culpepper, and of course the dogfighting jailbird himself, Michael Vick. And that's just successful quarterbacks from the last 15 or so years.
If you had said Byron Leftwich, I would have had to take you off at the knees.
rudedog40
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Originally Posted by Rylan1
why would we fight to tear down the Lincoln memorial?There were not just as many slaves in the north... Second Logic would tell you that there would not be as much of a need for slaves in the North due to the cold climate. Why did slaves want to escape to the North?
Your arguements have no accuracy and are just opinions based your personal view of history. The very person that signed the document to free the slaves....and you ask why we don't fight to tear down the Lincoln Memorial? Your comments are written out very nicely, but it lacks common sense.
Again, you pull out of my argument the only thing YOU THINK supports your views. Of course you completely ignore the validity of my other comments because they are true, and you still refuse to accept them. You making a trip to San Antonio? I'm sure you'll be in the very front of the MLK march. Interesting that it appears you're the only person on this forum that is African American. At least no one else seems to be supporting your viewpoints. So does that make the saltwater aquarium hobby racist?
why would we fight to tear down the Lincoln memorial?There were not just as many slaves in the north... Second Logic would tell you that there would not be as much of a need for slaves in the North due to the cold climate. Why did slaves want to escape to the North?
Your arguements have no accuracy and are just opinions based your personal view of history. The very person that signed the document to free the slaves....and you ask why we don't fight to tear down the Lincoln Memorial? Your comments are written out very nicely, but it lacks common sense.
Again, you pull out of my argument the only thing YOU THINK supports your views. Of course you completely ignore the validity of my other comments because they are true, and you still refuse to accept them. You making a trip to San Antonio? I'm sure you'll be in the very front of the MLK march. Interesting that it appears you're the only person on this forum that is African American. At least no one else seems to be supporting your viewpoints. So does that make the saltwater aquarium hobby racist?
reefraff
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Originally Posted by Rylan1
I don't have any problem with what you say here. Another problem I see here is that it often is about who you know ... This excludes many minorities because there father is not a CEO, many jobs are passed along to people they know or are related to. There has been a monopoly on many jobs in america based on race or family history. As far as education... the problem is that many people aren't getting the education they need in H.S. The disparity in test scores is not because whites are smarter. The tests are are skewed.
As long as people keep making excuses for not suceeding they never will.
My father wasn't a CEO, he was a 5 star blue ribbon alcoholic. We did thrift store clothes for a long time. My mom would hide canned goods and such in a closet so she could tell my dad there was no food in the house. Only way she could get any money out of him. In my high school whitey was the minority. I was able to make it through and did pretty well in life despite the fact I didn't go to college (there isn't a united poor fat white boy college fund) and didn't know and wasn't related to any CEO's.
I don't have any problem with what you say here. Another problem I see here is that it often is about who you know ... This excludes many minorities because there father is not a CEO, many jobs are passed along to people they know or are related to. There has been a monopoly on many jobs in america based on race or family history. As far as education... the problem is that many people aren't getting the education they need in H.S. The disparity in test scores is not because whites are smarter. The tests are are skewed.
As long as people keep making excuses for not suceeding they never will.
My father wasn't a CEO, he was a 5 star blue ribbon alcoholic. We did thrift store clothes for a long time. My mom would hide canned goods and such in a closet so she could tell my dad there was no food in the house. Only way she could get any money out of him. In my high school whitey was the minority. I was able to make it through and did pretty well in life despite the fact I didn't go to college (there isn't a united poor fat white boy college fund) and didn't know and wasn't related to any CEO's.
rylan1
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Originally Posted by mfp1016
Actually if you read Lincoln's essays, decrees, et al. from the time period you will find that he was not the great African-Emancipator everyone makes him out to be. One of several examples (I feel like Journeyman, delivering facts, not just Wikipedia-derived speculation),
"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume V, "Letter to Horace Greeley" (August 22, 1862), p. 388.
There were many many many slaves in the North. Most historians agree that the large majority of Northern citizens in the US at the time were not abolitionists, like Lincoln, Northerns saw fit to preserve the Union.
Don't get me wrong, the Lincoln Memorial should stay.
You are right... I'm trying to remember w/o re-looking it up, but the Emancipation Proclemation did not free the slaves...the 13th amendment did and not until I think 1866.
Actually if you read Lincoln's essays, decrees, et al. from the time period you will find that he was not the great African-Emancipator everyone makes him out to be. One of several examples (I feel like Journeyman, delivering facts, not just Wikipedia-derived speculation),
"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume V, "Letter to Horace Greeley" (August 22, 1862), p. 388.
There were many many many slaves in the North. Most historians agree that the large majority of Northern citizens in the US at the time were not abolitionists, like Lincoln, Northerns saw fit to preserve the Union.
Don't get me wrong, the Lincoln Memorial should stay.
You are right... I'm trying to remember w/o re-looking it up, but the Emancipation Proclemation did not free the slaves...the 13th amendment did and not until I think 1866.
rylan1
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Originally Posted by reefraff
As long as people keep making excuses for not suceeding they never will.
My father wasn't a CEO, he was a 5 star blue ribbon alcoholic. We did thrift store clothes for a long time. My mom would hide canned goods and such in a closet so she could tell my dad there was no food in the house. Only way she could get any money out of him. In my high school whitey was the minority. I was able to make it through and did pretty well in life despite the fact I didn't go to college (there isn't a united poor fat white boy college fund) and didn't know and wasn't related to any CEO's.
I just don't care or have the time to respond to all you have to say
. I also am tired of hearing about you didn't go to college...that's obvious
...
Just kidding..hehe...Anyway, there is always an exception to the rule. The funny funny thing (misconception) I always hear white people get upset about is the UNCF. These scholarships are only for students attending Historically Black univeristies... meaning odds are they have and had no effect on a white person's education.
As long as people keep making excuses for not suceeding they never will.
My father wasn't a CEO, he was a 5 star blue ribbon alcoholic. We did thrift store clothes for a long time. My mom would hide canned goods and such in a closet so she could tell my dad there was no food in the house. Only way she could get any money out of him. In my high school whitey was the minority. I was able to make it through and did pretty well in life despite the fact I didn't go to college (there isn't a united poor fat white boy college fund) and didn't know and wasn't related to any CEO's.
I just don't care or have the time to respond to all you have to say
Just kidding..hehe...Anyway, there is always an exception to the rule. The funny funny thing (misconception) I always hear white people get upset about is the UNCF. These scholarships are only for students attending Historically Black univeristies... meaning odds are they have and had no effect on a white person's education.
rylan1
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Originally Posted by reefraff
Anyone watching the debate?
Ron Paul is done. I think the boy is going senile.
I watched a little..last 30 min. Thompson was rather interesting... I missed some of what was said but I guess he had an impact on some people... What's up with his reading of his remarks off a sheet of paper? He also does come off as smug and too laid back...like he is not serious and caresless.
As far as Paul goes...anybody see the newsletters that carried his name 15-20 years ago?
Anyone watching the debate?
Ron Paul is done. I think the boy is going senile.
I watched a little..last 30 min. Thompson was rather interesting... I missed some of what was said but I guess he had an impact on some people... What's up with his reading of his remarks off a sheet of paper? He also does come off as smug and too laid back...like he is not serious and caresless.
As far as Paul goes...anybody see the newsletters that carried his name 15-20 years ago?
rylan1
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Originally Posted by rudedog40
Interesting that it appears you're the only person on this forum that is African American. At least no one else seems to be supporting your viewpoints. So does that make the saltwater aquarium hobby racist?
You maybe racists I don't know? However I give all people the benefit of the doubt. I would not assume that the hundreds to thousands of people on this site are racists based on the comments b/w maybe 5-10 people who live in all corners of this nation. I don't think people would be happy having you making that assertion about them or you wanting me to do it for you.
I remember LSU making some nasty racists comments a few months ago... I didn't respond to it...but I haven't seen him post recently.
Interesting that it appears you're the only person on this forum that is African American. At least no one else seems to be supporting your viewpoints. So does that make the saltwater aquarium hobby racist?
You maybe racists I don't know? However I give all people the benefit of the doubt. I would not assume that the hundreds to thousands of people on this site are racists based on the comments b/w maybe 5-10 people who live in all corners of this nation. I don't think people would be happy having you making that assertion about them or you wanting me to do it for you.
I remember LSU making some nasty racists comments a few months ago... I didn't respond to it...but I haven't seen him post recently.
jennythebugg
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Originally Posted by Clown Boy
Prayer and OPTIONAL Bible Classes are now prohibited in schools, for one.
out here in west texas we are having a 'war' over the bible class at my former high school i don't see how its hurting anyones 'liberties' its an optional class
personally i know its wrong but i will use my vote to go republican this time so tobins vote can be heard , how did this debate get turned onto racism and why is is all the political debates on here turn towards racism? every one here probaly knows already that i am for some kind of universal health care plan , but i think it should be optional for doctors , patients and pharmacies,like if you choose to pay for it yourself ( or pay the difference)go to different doctors or hospitals that arent 'members' of the plans .why is it that our country does the majority of drug development and study on cures for diseases yet (from what i've heard) we send out our medices to other countries at LOWER prices ?and we have to buy from other countries to get affordable prescriptions makes no sense whatsoever to me .
Prayer and OPTIONAL Bible Classes are now prohibited in schools, for one.
out here in west texas we are having a 'war' over the bible class at my former high school i don't see how its hurting anyones 'liberties' its an optional class
personally i know its wrong but i will use my vote to go republican this time so tobins vote can be heard , how did this debate get turned onto racism and why is is all the political debates on here turn towards racism? every one here probaly knows already that i am for some kind of universal health care plan , but i think it should be optional for doctors , patients and pharmacies,like if you choose to pay for it yourself ( or pay the difference)go to different doctors or hospitals that arent 'members' of the plans .why is it that our country does the majority of drug development and study on cures for diseases yet (from what i've heard) we send out our medices to other countries at LOWER prices ?and we have to buy from other countries to get affordable prescriptions makes no sense whatsoever to me .