Republican Candidates

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Tarball
Like i said earlier today Iraq was no more a threat to America then Venezuela is today. If Bush challenge Venezuela as a nuclear threat or a chemical, biological threat to our way of life. Would you wholeheartedly support him....
If the Intel agencies of Russia, China, France, Germany, Israel, Britain and China; along with the LEADING DEMOCRATS and the former DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT all said Chavez had nuclear, chemical and biological weapons and was planning on using them against us then yes.... Yes I would support an attack. If Venezuela overran Brazil (an ally) and began massacring it's people and burning the country to the ground then yes I would support an attack. If Venezuela attacked US and allied pilots enforcing a Treaty then yes... If the UN passed 17 UN resolutions against Venezuela demanding they uphold their side to a treaty they signed then yes...
Originally Posted by tarball
Like I said, a sarin or Mustard gas shell would not create mass destruction. Could it kill 100s of people yes, But that does not define mass destruction. 1000 pound bomb can cause more destruction then a 10 yrs old sarin shell can in a populated area.
I mean no disrespect, but facts are facts.
& we must put things in perspective.
Facts are facts, I agree....
Let's talk about Sarin and Mustard gas since we are discussing facts. "In March 1995, the Aum Shinrikyo sect killed 12 people and injured nearly 6,000 by releasing sarin nerve gas in the Tokyo sub way system... and the Sarin used was less than 30% pure.
Mustard gas not a WMD in an artillery shell? Tell that to the Kurdish families of the estimated 5,000 dead in Halabja when Saddam had the city targeted in 1988...

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Tarball
...Clinton didn't attack,...
Maybe thats why Clinton didn't attack... durrr
Umm, maybe someone needs to tell Clinton he didn't attack...
CLINTON: "Good evening. Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq...." 1998

 

[stdreb27]

yawn, I guess that was it.
So whose decided not to vote in the primaries? I really have strong dislikes for all these republicans. I may not vote for anyone now.

 

[mfp1016]

If anything vote for one of them just to keep Clinton/Obama out of office.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by mfp1016
If anything vote for one of them just to keep Clinton/Obama out of office.
Yeah, but who cares which one? I'm not sure what is worse, rabid spender in Huckabee, mandatory health insurance with Romney, Rudy's social views, or McCain and his whatever he believes.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
Yeah, but who cares which one? I'm not sure what is worse, rabid spender in Huckabee, mandatory health insurance with Romney, Rudy's social views, or McCain and his whatever he believes.
I'll be voting... just not sure for who.
I agree the list this year is less than appealing, but at least none of them will put our nation on the fast track to Socialism/Communism like the Dems..
I will be voting against McCain and Huckabee. McCain is not a Republican by any stretch of the imagination in my book. He's an Independent that's been in the thorn of the Republican's side for years. Why he hasn't been booted from the party is beyond me. As for Huckabee, he's a little to squirmy for my tastes. Reminds me too much of another smooth talker from Arkansas.... He touts his "Baptist Conservative values", but frankly as a Baptist myself he doesn't speak for me and I'm kind of tired of him acting like he does...

 

[mfp1016]

Originally Posted by Rylan1
I agree w/ you about the kids in the militias... Its sad because more people have died there than in any other conflict since wwII... (is that accurate?) I just think its hypocritical...we get invloved in things we shouldn't, but ignore blantant things that really need our attention.
Did you know you can get a ak47 for $20 there. Which is less than a cell phone?

I guess its a little late to jump on the Africa bandwagon but I'll try.
Another difference is that most African countries have so far been open to some level of philanthropy. As far as I know, Iraq was not. In no way does that justify not increasing our efforts to help.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
I'll be voting... just not sure for who.
I agree the list this year is less than appealing, but at least none of them will put our nation on the fast track to Socialism/Communism like the Dems..
I will be voting against McCain and Huckabee. McCain is not a Republican by any stretch of the imagination in my book. He's an Independent that's been in the thorn of the Republican's side for years. Why he hasn't been booted from the party is beyond me. As for Huckabee, he's a little to squirmy for my tastes. Reminds me too much of another smooth talker from Arkansas.... He touts his "Baptist Conservative values", but frankly as a Baptist myself he doesn't speak for me and I'm kind of tired of him acting like he does...
There is an appeal to someone who is unabashed in his religion. Especially if it happens to be your own.
I'd almost vote for him, minus his "arrogant Bush Foreign policy" opinion.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
There is an appeal to someone who is unabashed in his religion. Especially if it happens to be your own.
I'd almost vote for him, minus his "arrogant Bush Foreign policy" opinion.
That's what set me over the edge too... That and his Anti-Romney commerical that he held a press conference for and showed to a couple of hundred reporters; just to announce at said press conference he thought the ad was too mean and wasn't going to air it...

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by mfp1016
..Another difference is that most African countries have so far been open to some level of philanthropy. As far as I know, Iraq was not. In no way does that justify not increasing our efforts to help.
I've pointed this out to Rylan before; We were in Africa until Clinton ordered us to cut and run...
The horrors in Africa would take place in Iraq if we leave there unfinished.

 

[tarball]

I’m going to start here. Then will show extensions as proof of long term Globalization of
American power. You people think this is about WMDs ? Terrorism? ... Hardly !!
Neo-con & Think tank P.N.A.C. video
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...+google+videos
U.S. Strategy Plan Calls for Insuring No Rivals Develop
A One-Superpower World, March 8, 1992
http://work.colum.edu/~amiller/wolfowitz1992.htm
Letter to Clinton from neo-con think tank P.N.A.C….. Encouraging him to Invade Iraq. 1998
http://www.dartmouth.edu/~govdocs/docs/iraq/letter.htm
P.N.A.C. website
http://www.newamericancentury.org
Building American defenses for the 21st century
http://www.newamericancentury.org/Re...asDefenses.pdf

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Tarball
I’m going to start here. Then will show extensions as proof of long term Globalization of
American power. You people think this is about WMDs ? Terrorism? ... Hardly !!
Neo-con & Think tank P.N.A.C. video
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...+google+videos
U.S. Strategy Plan Calls for Insuring No Rivals Develop
A One-Superpower World, March 8, 1992
http://work.colum.edu/~amiller/wolfowitz1992.htm
Letter to Clinton from neo-con think tank P.N.A.C….. Encouraging him to Invade Iraq. 1998
http://www.dartmouth.edu/~govdocs/docs/iraq/letter.htm
P.N.A.C. website
http://www.newamericancentury.org
Building American defenses for the 21st century
http://www.newamericancentury.org/Re...asDefenses.pdf
You're trying to sidestep the questions you've been challenged on and now are introducing "conspiracy theories"...

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
I'll be voting... just not sure for who.
I agree the list this year is less than appealing, but at least none of them will put our nation on the fast track to Socialism/Communism like the Dems..
I will be voting against McCain and Huckabee. McCain is not a Republican by any stretch of the imagination in my book. He's an Independent that's been in the thorn of the Republican's side for years. Why he hasn't been booted from the party is beyond me. As for Huckabee, he's a little to squirmy for my tastes. Reminds me too much of another smooth talker from Arkansas.... He touts his "Baptist Conservative values", but frankly as a Baptist myself he doesn't speak for me and I'm kind of tired of him acting like he does...
Unless the economy goes up like a rocket and Iraq's government gets their crap together that we can start making serious troop drawdowns McCain is the only person who stands a chance of winning on the Republican ticket. McCain has 2 redeeming political qualities. He's good on foreign policy and spending. Hopefully he learned his lesson on Illegals.
If Romney is the nominee the media is going to have a hayday over the Mormon thing. There are some how should I put it,...... Unique aspects of that religion most people aren't aware of and I think it will be used to drive voters away from him. There are a lot of evangelicals that wont vote for him. Too bad because I think he would do a good job.
Huckabee killed any chance he had with his remark about changing the constitution to fit God's word. I know what he was saying but he was dumb enough to word it in a way, on tape, that his oponents will use to trash him.
Rudy is polling 4th place in Florida, he's done. Unless Huckaberry makes a huge turnaround and pulls a strong second he's done. It's between Romney and McCain.
In short if McCain isn't the Republican nominee we're hosed. He wouldn't be my first choice, neither was Bush. But compared to the alternative....

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by Tarball
I’m going to start here. Then will show extensions as proof of long term Globalization of
American power. You people think this is about WMDs ? Terrorism? ... Hardly !!
Neo-con & Think tank P.N.A.C. video
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...+google+videos
U.S. Strategy Plan Calls for Insuring No Rivals Develop
A One-Superpower World, March 8, 1992
http://work.colum.edu/~amiller/wolfowitz1992.htm
Letter to Clinton from neo-con think tank P.N.A.C….. Encouraging him to Invade Iraq. 1998
http://www.dartmouth.edu/~govdocs/docs/iraq/letter.htm
P.N.A.C. website
http://www.newamericancentury.org
Building American defenses for the 21st century
http://www.newamericancentury.org/Re...asDefenses.pdf

None of those links are a report countering the report in the link I posted.Instead you give links to a non-profit educational organization Who's chief goals are the following,
• we need to increase defense spending significantly if we are to carry out our global responsibilities today and modernize our armed forces for the future;
• we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values;
• we need to promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad; [and]
• we need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles.
You make no sense what so ever and have still yet to include proof or links to what you claim. And we never said it was just about or over WMDs , and neither did our president and his staff. You keep saying that.
Still waiting for 1 of 10.

 

[darthtang aw]

Originally Posted by reefraff
Unless the economy goes up like a rocket and Iraq's government gets their crap together that we can start making serious troop drawdowns McCain is the only person who stands a chance of winning on the Republican ticket. McCain has 2 redeeming political qualities. He's good on foreign policy and spending. Hopefully he learned his lesson on Illegals.
If Romney is the nominee the media is going to have a hayday over the Mormon thing. There are some how should I put it,...... Unique aspects of that religion most people aren't aware of and I think it will be used to drive voters away from him. There are a lot of evangelicals that wont vote for him. Too bad because I think he would do a good job.
Huckabee killed any chance he had with his remark about changing the constitution to fit God's word. I know what he was saying but he was dumb enough to word it in a way, on tape, that his oponents will use to trash him.
Rudy is polling 4th place in Florida, he's done. Unless Huckaberry makes a huge turnaround and pulls a strong second he's done. It's between Romney and McCain.
In short if McCain isn't the Republican nominee we're hosed. He wouldn't be my first choice, neither was Bush. But compared to the alternative....

I have to agree with you. I honestly think most candidates killed themselves this election with debates starting last year in mid july instead of a couple months ago. Guiliani then was a huge front runner, but as time went on the others and the media were able to raise questions aboit him. As strong as he was early on, I am shocked at how poorly he is doing. Unfortunantely McCain seems to be the horse that can get it done, I may not like the color of the horse, but he will still be where my money goes.

 

[tarball]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
You're trying to sidestep the questions you've been challenged on and now are introducing "conspiracy theories"...
All the documentation is there, websites are there. They are talking about political leaders that were in office at the time.
Its all legitimate.
There is know way I'm going to sit at my computer and argue with 5 or 6 of you at one time. Your answers & my proof will be available with the information I provide.

 

[darthtang aw]

still waiting.........
and we all hold essentially the same argument....it wouldn't take much for you to explain in detail (such as we have) instead a vague statements and posting links to a NFP organization that has few in power and that half the members never even have set foot in congress, much less the white house.

 

[stdreb27]

Offer Proof of what? Exactly?
Narrow minded idiot-
Who says I'm narrow minded, I'm asked a question.

 

[stdreb27]

Offer Proof of what? Exactly?
Narrow minded idiot-
Who says I'm narrow minded, I'm asking a question.

 

[stdreb27]

I'm also confused, you accept the legitimacy of a non-profit organization, but you cannot accept the legitimacy of the most watched news network in the country.
-Closed Minded Idiot-
Close minded and loving it!