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scubadoo
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If you are truly going to fight terrorism...you have to hit the rodents before they hit you. If you sit down and make a list....Iraq would be on the rat list.
We can all sit here an offer opinions as to if he was rat one two or three...but he needed to be gone in this war on terror.
If you take note, I asked Mr/Ms Tar some specific questions as to his positions regarding cut and running, movement of Iraq WMD's, etc. stc. Perhaps he/she is awaiting the next PBS documentry to answer for him/her.
I have yet to see a response to these specific questions.
However, it does appear to me he/she has signed off on all the documentaries supporting a view...and can offer no commentary for his own positions and what he/she supports and the consequences of same.
Most Kool Aid drinkers simply step up and slam it down.
We can all sit here an offer opinions as to if he was rat one two or three...but he needed to be gone in this war on terror.
If you take note, I asked Mr/Ms Tar some specific questions as to his positions regarding cut and running, movement of Iraq WMD's, etc. stc. Perhaps he/she is awaiting the next PBS documentry to answer for him/her.
I have yet to see a response to these specific questions.
However, it does appear to me he/she has signed off on all the documentaries supporting a view...and can offer no commentary for his own positions and what he/she supports and the consequences of same.
Most Kool Aid drinkers simply step up and slam it down.
scubadoo
Active Member
Originally Posted by reefraff
I hope maybe he is confirming some of the info posted here. I aint trying to change anyone's mind, I just want to show the Donkey flavored Kool Aide is ever bit as nadsty as the Elephant flavor. You can admit that Bush didn't lie us into Iraq and still hate him.
Even in face of the POSITIVE results since we shifted stategy with the surge in Iraq.......the liberals refuse to give any credit for success.
It's much easier to drink up....then it is to examine multiple sources to arrive at an informed opinion.
Most folks that live in the conspracy world deal in sepculation and science fiction.....or simply take desired results and run with it as fact.
Pretty soon, it gains some popularity and the lines at the Kool Aid stand get longer.
I hope maybe he is confirming some of the info posted here. I aint trying to change anyone's mind, I just want to show the Donkey flavored Kool Aide is ever bit as nadsty as the Elephant flavor. You can admit that Bush didn't lie us into Iraq and still hate him.
Even in face of the POSITIVE results since we shifted stategy with the surge in Iraq.......the liberals refuse to give any credit for success.
It's much easier to drink up....then it is to examine multiple sources to arrive at an informed opinion.
Most folks that live in the conspracy world deal in sepculation and science fiction.....or simply take desired results and run with it as fact.
Pretty soon, it gains some popularity and the lines at the Kool Aid stand get longer.
scubadoo
Active Member
Originally Posted by Tarball
. Its obviose the documentaries have struck you people. :
Not me.....only one source in a world full of sources, opinions, facts, documentaries, theories, articles, editorials, stories, tapes, testimonials, reports, etc, etc.
It apears it has struck you the hardest...most folks forming informed opinions consider them but only as a small part in the BIG picture of information.
. Its obviose the documentaries have struck you people. :
Not me.....only one source in a world full of sources, opinions, facts, documentaries, theories, articles, editorials, stories, tapes, testimonials, reports, etc, etc.
It apears it has struck you the hardest...most folks forming informed opinions consider them but only as a small part in the BIG picture of information.
scubadoo
Active Member
Originally Posted by reefraff
So if Bush was lying when he made the same claims about Iraq that Clinton had what were Bush and Clinton's motivations for lying?
CLinton never lies...I watched a documentary that claimed he was only wreckless with the truth. And we all know, documentaries are in gernal factual and unbiased.
You see...when a liberal wants to raise your taxes that is a contribution...when a liberal wants to spend on a new scoial program or grow an exisitng program that is an investment..and a liberal lie is simply being wreckless with the truth.
So if Bush was lying when he made the same claims about Iraq that Clinton had what were Bush and Clinton's motivations for lying?
CLinton never lies...I watched a documentary that claimed he was only wreckless with the truth. And we all know, documentaries are in gernal factual and unbiased.
You see...when a liberal wants to raise your taxes that is a contribution...when a liberal wants to spend on a new scoial program or grow an exisitng program that is an investment..and a liberal lie is simply being wreckless with the truth.
tarball
Member
Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
Frontline has a history of being libelrally biased as does PBS in general.
No attacks since 9/11 here on US soil...so we obviously are doing something right.
You stick to your conspiracy theories...I'll continue to support results.
No thanks needed for your continued safety here at home.
THanks for taking Saddam out and making the world a safer place.
Frontline has the final call as to what they put in their garbage can.
We as Tax paying citizen pay trillions of Dollars each yr for our safety. From our Militarise to the CIA, FBI, State Enforcement, County enforcement, Local Enforcement, to God knows what else.
Your comment completely ignores this fact & is short sited.
If you wish to be afraid then shall be it. But remember, Its bush that is spending Billions of tax paying dollars to make you afraid. Bush has self proclaimed himself as a war president. Iraq is his war.
As far as your conspiracy theory comment goes. Remember this.
Conspiracy means to conspire, which means 2 or more people doing something in secrecy.... There is no doubt that George Bush has conspired against the Americans people & its democracy.
If you willfully choose to support a liar about war, then that makes you a liar also.
Sad but true..
Frontline has a history of being libelrally biased as does PBS in general.
No attacks since 9/11 here on US soil...so we obviously are doing something right.
You stick to your conspiracy theories...I'll continue to support results.
No thanks needed for your continued safety here at home.
THanks for taking Saddam out and making the world a safer place.
Frontline has the final call as to what they put in their garbage can.
We as Tax paying citizen pay trillions of Dollars each yr for our safety. From our Militarise to the CIA, FBI, State Enforcement, County enforcement, Local Enforcement, to God knows what else.
Your comment completely ignores this fact & is short sited.
If you wish to be afraid then shall be it. But remember, Its bush that is spending Billions of tax paying dollars to make you afraid. Bush has self proclaimed himself as a war president. Iraq is his war.
As far as your conspiracy theory comment goes. Remember this.
Conspiracy means to conspire, which means 2 or more people doing something in secrecy.... There is no doubt that George Bush has conspired against the Americans people & its democracy.
If you willfully choose to support a liar about war, then that makes you a liar also.
Sad but true..
scubadoo
Active Member
Originally Posted by Tarball
We as Tax paying citizen pay trillions of Dollars each yr for our safety. From our Militarise to the CIA, FBI, State Enforcement, County enforcement, Local Enforcement, to God knows what else.
Your comment completely ignores this fact & is short sited.
If you wish to be afraid then shall be it. But remember, Its bush that is spending Billions of tax paying dollars to make you afraid. Bush has self proclaimed himself as a war president. Iraq is his war.
As far as your conspiracy theory comment goes. Remember this.
Conspiracy means to conspire, which means 2 or more people doing something in secrecy.... There is no doubt that George Bush has conspired against the Americans people & its democracy.
If you willfully choose to support a liar about war, then that makes you a liar also.
Sad but true..
My comment is spot on regarding terrorism. Please state what YOU would do regarding terrorism in general. Short and long-term opinion. Repeatt asking of a question you have yet to answer
Again, no need to thank, support or give credit the president for your safety here at home post 9/11.
Too bad most of those sources you site as contributing to can do little until such time a terrorist is launching a dirty bomb at your house.
My comment actually deals with hitting the terrorists where they live...befoer they hit us where we live. It woulda ppear to me the result of our efforts have resulted in zero attacks here at home since 9/11.
I realize that is a big picture that some do not understand.
We as Tax paying citizen pay trillions of Dollars each yr for our safety. From our Militarise to the CIA, FBI, State Enforcement, County enforcement, Local Enforcement, to God knows what else.
Your comment completely ignores this fact & is short sited.
If you wish to be afraid then shall be it. But remember, Its bush that is spending Billions of tax paying dollars to make you afraid. Bush has self proclaimed himself as a war president. Iraq is his war.
As far as your conspiracy theory comment goes. Remember this.
Conspiracy means to conspire, which means 2 or more people doing something in secrecy.... There is no doubt that George Bush has conspired against the Americans people & its democracy.
If you willfully choose to support a liar about war, then that makes you a liar also.
Sad but true..
My comment is spot on regarding terrorism. Please state what YOU would do regarding terrorism in general. Short and long-term opinion. Repeatt asking of a question you have yet to answer
Again, no need to thank, support or give credit the president for your safety here at home post 9/11.
Too bad most of those sources you site as contributing to can do little until such time a terrorist is launching a dirty bomb at your house.
My comment actually deals with hitting the terrorists where they live...befoer they hit us where we live. It woulda ppear to me the result of our efforts have resulted in zero attacks here at home since 9/11.
I realize that is a big picture that some do not understand.
tarball
Member
Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
Not me.....only one source in a world full of sources, opinions, facts, documentaries, theories, articles, editorials, stories, tapes, testimonials, reports, etc, etc.
It apears it has struck you the hardest...most folks forming informed opinions consider them but only as a small part in the BIG picture of information.
The 2 frontline videos are just the start of what I can post here.
Like I said at the beginning, I read a full report written by William Krystal that laid out all current events that have been happening.
At the time I said, No way. But its come true. Step by step, i've watched it happen.
& all you naive Mini-cons have sucked it up like a sponge. Sucking up Kool-aid, If I may borrow your term...
Not me.....only one source in a world full of sources, opinions, facts, documentaries, theories, articles, editorials, stories, tapes, testimonials, reports, etc, etc.
It apears it has struck you the hardest...most folks forming informed opinions consider them but only as a small part in the BIG picture of information.
The 2 frontline videos are just the start of what I can post here.
Like I said at the beginning, I read a full report written by William Krystal that laid out all current events that have been happening.
At the time I said, No way. But its come true. Step by step, i've watched it happen.
& all you naive Mini-cons have sucked it up like a sponge. Sucking up Kool-aid, If I may borrow your term...
scubadoo
Active Member
Originally Posted by Tarball
The 2 frontline videos are just the start of what I can post here.
Like I said at the beginning, I read a full report written by William Krystal that laid out all current events that have been happening.
At the time I said, No way. But its come true. Step by step, i've watched it happen.
& all you naive Mini-cons have sucked it up like a sponge. Sucking up Kool-aid, If I may borrow your term...
Dont sing it...bring it
The 2 frontline videos are just the start of what I can post here.
Like I said at the beginning, I read a full report written by William Krystal that laid out all current events that have been happening.
At the time I said, No way. But its come true. Step by step, i've watched it happen.
& all you naive Mini-cons have sucked it up like a sponge. Sucking up Kool-aid, If I may borrow your term...
Dont sing it...bring it
tarball
Member
Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
My comment is spot on regarding terrorism. Please state what YOU would do regarding terrorism in general. Short and long-term opinion. Repeatt asking of a question you have yet to answer
Again, no need to thank, support or give credit the president for your safety here at home post 9/11.
Too bad most of those sources you site as contributing to can do little until such time a terrorist is launching a dirty bomb at your house.
My comment actually deals with hitting the terrorists where they live...befoer they hit us where we live. It woulda ppear to me the result of our efforts have resulted in zero attacks here at home since 9/11.
I realize that is a big picture that some do not understand.
Like I said, we as tax paying citizen pay trillions of dollars for security. Do you mean too tell me. That means nothing to you?
Are you saying all the organization's we have out there for security are pointless & a waste of money?
I must admit, Bush's billion dollar war campaign has done a number on you.
My comment is spot on regarding terrorism. Please state what YOU would do regarding terrorism in general. Short and long-term opinion. Repeatt asking of a question you have yet to answer
Again, no need to thank, support or give credit the president for your safety here at home post 9/11.
Too bad most of those sources you site as contributing to can do little until such time a terrorist is launching a dirty bomb at your house.
My comment actually deals with hitting the terrorists where they live...befoer they hit us where we live. It woulda ppear to me the result of our efforts have resulted in zero attacks here at home since 9/11.
I realize that is a big picture that some do not understand.
Like I said, we as tax paying citizen pay trillions of dollars for security. Do you mean too tell me. That means nothing to you?
Are you saying all the organization's we have out there for security are pointless & a waste of money?
I must admit, Bush's billion dollar war campaign has done a number on you.
scubadoo
Active Member
Originally Posted by Tarball
The 2 frontline videos are just the start of what I can post here.
Like I said at the beginning, I read a full report written by William Krystal that laid out all current events that have been happening.
At the time I said, No way. But its come true. Step by step, i've watched it happen.
& all you naive Mini-cons have sucked it up like a sponge. Sucking up Kool-aid, If I may borrow your term...
Have you read the Loftus report...Her's jsut a few higlights based on the tapes/files of Saddam ....
The absolutists on either side of the WMD debate will be more than a bit chagrinned at these disclosures. The documents show a much more complex history than previously suspected. The "Bush lied, people died" chorus has insisted that Saddam had no WMD whatsoever after 1991 - and thus that WMD was no good reason for the war. The Neocon diehards insist that, as in Raiders of the Lost Ark, the treasure-trove is still out there somewhere, buried under the sand dunes of Iraq. Each side is more than a little bit wrong about Saddam's WMD, and each side is only a little bit right about what happened to it.
"An Iraqi dissident going by the name of "Abu Abdallah" claims that on March 10, 2003, 50 trucks arrived in Deir Al-Zour, Syria after being loaded in Baghdad. …Abdallah approached his friend who was hesitant to confirm the WMD shipment, but did after Abdallah explained what his sources informed him of. The friend told him not to tell anyone about the shipment."
These interrogation reports should be re-evaluated in light of the recently opened Iraqi secret archives, which we submit are the best evidence. But the captured document evidence should not be overstated. It must be emphasized that there is no one captured Saddam document which mentions both the possession of WMD and the movement to Syria.
Moreover, many of Saddam's own tapes and documents concerning chemical and biological weapons are ambiguous. When read together as a mosaic whole, Saddam's secret files certainly make a persuasive case of massive WMD acquisition right up to a few months before the war. Not only was he buying banned precursors for nerve gas, he was ordering the chemicals to make Zyklon B, the Nazis favorite gas at Auschwitz. However odious and well documented his purchases in 2002, there is no direct evidence of any CW or BW actually remaining inside Iraq on the day the war started in 2003. As stated in more detail in my full report, the British, Ukrainian and American secret services all believed that the Russians had organized a last minute evacuation of CW and BW stockpiles from Baghdad to Syria.
The gist of the new evidence is this: roughly one quarter of Saddam's WMD was destroyed under UN pressure during the early to mid 1990's. Saddam sold approximately another quarter of his weapons stockpile to his Arab neighbors during the mid to late 1990's. The Russians insisted on removing another quarter in the last few months before the war. The last remaining WMD, the contents of Saddam's nuclear weapons labs, were still inside Iraq on the day when the coalition forces arrived in 2003. His nuclear weapons equipment was hidden in enormous underwater warehouses beneath the Euphrates River. Saddam’s entire nuclear inventory was later stolen from these warehouses right out from under the Americans’ noses
The 2 frontline videos are just the start of what I can post here.
Like I said at the beginning, I read a full report written by William Krystal that laid out all current events that have been happening.
At the time I said, No way. But its come true. Step by step, i've watched it happen.
& all you naive Mini-cons have sucked it up like a sponge. Sucking up Kool-aid, If I may borrow your term...
Have you read the Loftus report...Her's jsut a few higlights based on the tapes/files of Saddam ....
The absolutists on either side of the WMD debate will be more than a bit chagrinned at these disclosures. The documents show a much more complex history than previously suspected. The "Bush lied, people died" chorus has insisted that Saddam had no WMD whatsoever after 1991 - and thus that WMD was no good reason for the war. The Neocon diehards insist that, as in Raiders of the Lost Ark, the treasure-trove is still out there somewhere, buried under the sand dunes of Iraq. Each side is more than a little bit wrong about Saddam's WMD, and each side is only a little bit right about what happened to it.
"An Iraqi dissident going by the name of "Abu Abdallah" claims that on March 10, 2003, 50 trucks arrived in Deir Al-Zour, Syria after being loaded in Baghdad. …Abdallah approached his friend who was hesitant to confirm the WMD shipment, but did after Abdallah explained what his sources informed him of. The friend told him not to tell anyone about the shipment."
These interrogation reports should be re-evaluated in light of the recently opened Iraqi secret archives, which we submit are the best evidence. But the captured document evidence should not be overstated. It must be emphasized that there is no one captured Saddam document which mentions both the possession of WMD and the movement to Syria.
Moreover, many of Saddam's own tapes and documents concerning chemical and biological weapons are ambiguous. When read together as a mosaic whole, Saddam's secret files certainly make a persuasive case of massive WMD acquisition right up to a few months before the war. Not only was he buying banned precursors for nerve gas, he was ordering the chemicals to make Zyklon B, the Nazis favorite gas at Auschwitz. However odious and well documented his purchases in 2002, there is no direct evidence of any CW or BW actually remaining inside Iraq on the day the war started in 2003. As stated in more detail in my full report, the British, Ukrainian and American secret services all believed that the Russians had organized a last minute evacuation of CW and BW stockpiles from Baghdad to Syria.
The gist of the new evidence is this: roughly one quarter of Saddam's WMD was destroyed under UN pressure during the early to mid 1990's. Saddam sold approximately another quarter of his weapons stockpile to his Arab neighbors during the mid to late 1990's. The Russians insisted on removing another quarter in the last few months before the war. The last remaining WMD, the contents of Saddam's nuclear weapons labs, were still inside Iraq on the day when the coalition forces arrived in 2003. His nuclear weapons equipment was hidden in enormous underwater warehouses beneath the Euphrates River. Saddam’s entire nuclear inventory was later stolen from these warehouses right out from under the Americans’ noses
scubadoo
Active Member
Originally Posted by Tarball
Like I said, we as tax paying citizen pay trillions of dollars for security. Do you mean too tell me. That means nothing to you?
Are you saying all the organization's we have out there for security are pointless & a waste of money?
I must admit, Bush's billion dollar war campaign has done a number on you.
THe local and state police can do zero aborad regarding the war on terror. It is a PROACTIVE aprroach in preventing future attacks. Weaken and or destroy the infrastructure of the enemy where they are...not wating befoer they get here.
Once again, I understand this may be above some levels of thinking.
Did I say it menas NOTHING to me? I am simply stating you can beleive what you wnat to..and there is no need for you to thank current or past Bush policy for your safety
Like I said, we as tax paying citizen pay trillions of dollars for security. Do you mean too tell me. That means nothing to you?
Are you saying all the organization's we have out there for security are pointless & a waste of money?
I must admit, Bush's billion dollar war campaign has done a number on you.
THe local and state police can do zero aborad regarding the war on terror. It is a PROACTIVE aprroach in preventing future attacks. Weaken and or destroy the infrastructure of the enemy where they are...not wating befoer they get here.
Once again, I understand this may be above some levels of thinking.
Did I say it menas NOTHING to me? I am simply stating you can beleive what you wnat to..and there is no need for you to thank current or past Bush policy for your safety
scubadoo
Active Member
Originally Posted by Tarball
Exactly how scared are you, will there ever be enough security for the likes of you & the mini-cons in this thread..
I beleive terrorism is the singl biggest threat against our freedom period.
If you wish to follow a program of let's not do anything until we have additional terrorism attacks here at home that is up to you.
Once again, I realize thoughts reagarding proactivity in this war on terror is above the level of thinking for some.
I'm sure once we leave Iraq and disconinue the war on terror in general the terrorists will go home and play nice. They'll forget all about us and leave us alone. Thtat will be a program of great success. We should have figured that out from the beginning. I'm sure they really do not mean it when they state they want to destroy us.
Exactly how scared are you, will there ever be enough security for the likes of you & the mini-cons in this thread..
I beleive terrorism is the singl biggest threat against our freedom period.
If you wish to follow a program of let's not do anything until we have additional terrorism attacks here at home that is up to you.
Once again, I realize thoughts reagarding proactivity in this war on terror is above the level of thinking for some.
I'm sure once we leave Iraq and disconinue the war on terror in general the terrorists will go home and play nice. They'll forget all about us and leave us alone. Thtat will be a program of great success. We should have figured that out from the beginning. I'm sure they really do not mean it when they state they want to destroy us.
tarball
Member
Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
Dont sing it...bring it
Trust me, if I had access the the report, I would post it.
But I'm sure you would attack William Krystal over the report.
Complete ignoring the facts that have come true. Just like the Behind closed doors, doc & the dark side, doc.
Dont sing it...bring it
Trust me, if I had access the the report, I would post it.
But I'm sure you would attack William Krystal over the report.
Complete ignoring the facts that have come true. Just like the Behind closed doors, doc & the dark side, doc.
tarball
Member
Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
I beleive terrorism is the singl biggest threat against our freedom period.
If you wish to follow a program of let's not do anything until we have additional terrorism attacks here at home that is up to you.
Once again, I realize thoughts reagarding proactivity in this war on terror is above the level of thinking for some.
I'm sure once we leave Iraq and disconinue the war on terror in general the terrorists will go home and play nice. They'll forget all about us and leave us alone. Thtat will be a program of great success. We should have figured that out from the beginning. I'm sure they really do not mean it when they state they want to destroy us.
Boo!!!
Be afraid, be very afraid...
I beleive terrorism is the singl biggest threat against our freedom period.
If you wish to follow a program of let's not do anything until we have additional terrorism attacks here at home that is up to you.
Once again, I realize thoughts reagarding proactivity in this war on terror is above the level of thinking for some.
I'm sure once we leave Iraq and disconinue the war on terror in general the terrorists will go home and play nice. They'll forget all about us and leave us alone. Thtat will be a program of great success. We should have figured that out from the beginning. I'm sure they really do not mean it when they state they want to destroy us.
Boo!!!
Be afraid, be very afraid...
scubadoo
Active Member
Originally Posted by Tarball
Trust me, if I had access the the report, I would post it.
But I'm sure you would attack William Krystal over the report.
Complete ignoring the facts that have come true. Just like the Behind closed doors, doc & the dark side, doc.
Nothing but air ...by the way..usually when folks say "trust me" it means thay have been less than truthful.
Never good to say that in "debate" of self-proclaimed spewing of conspiracy theory documentary story of fact.
Trust me, if I had access the the report, I would post it.
But I'm sure you would attack William Krystal over the report.
Complete ignoring the facts that have come true. Just like the Behind closed doors, doc & the dark side, doc.
Nothing but air ...by the way..usually when folks say "trust me" it means thay have been less than truthful.
Never good to say that in "debate" of self-proclaimed spewing of conspiracy theory documentary story of fact.
tarball
Member
Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
Never good to say that in "debate" of self-proclaimed spewing of conspiracy theory documentary story of fact.
There is no debating someone like you. You have no ability to look back & see the truth. People like you only look forward to the next Fox news terrorism report.
Never good to say that in "debate" of self-proclaimed spewing of conspiracy theory documentary story of fact.
There is no debating someone like you. You have no ability to look back & see the truth. People like you only look forward to the next Fox news terrorism report.