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tarball

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
Ya... Al Qaeda is misunderstood... The planes they crashed into the WTC and Pentagon were actually supposed to be pulling those cool advertising banners saying "we (heart) America"...
The USS Cole wasn't really attacked...
Our embassies in africa weren't really bombed...
Nope, Al Qaeda is a club full of Humanitarians

What yr should be stop fearing, should we never trust again. Maybe you should be afraid forever. Lets spend a zillion dollars defending ourselves against a bunch of camel riding idiots.
Al Qaeda is at their best with their should rocket launchers.
 

tarball

Member
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
Tarball, you've got some reading to do...
17 UN Resolutions and 1 Joint Resolution by Congress... Then we can have an educated debate if you still wish.
An educator option has the ability to look at the truth. The facts of what was found on ground. Not what was hoped for. Reality exists in the facts not speculation or misguided hopes.
 

tarball

Member
ScubaDoo said:
Originally Posted by Tarball
Sorry, my common sense does not follow this logic. So, Ali and the gang or mad becuase we spend $ on our defense?

There is nothing wrong with defending our nation.
But, there is something wrong with supporting a president that is willing to attack a country for its resources.
 

1journeyman

Active Member
Originally Posted by Tarball
An educator option has the ability to look at the truth. The facts of what was found on ground. Not what was hoped for. Reality exists in the facts not speculation or misguided hopes.
The truth is based on facts, not uneducated opinions.
 

1journeyman

Active Member
Tarball said:
Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
There is nothing wrong with defending our nation.
But, there is something wrong with supporting a president that is willing to attack a country for its resources.
you're making yourself look worse Tarball.
General question to everyone on this forum: Raise your hand if you've received any free oil that came from Iraq? Anyone get any free sand? Any dates or camels?
Hmm... Where are the resources going we are "stealing"?
 

scubadoo

Active Member
Originally Posted by Tarball
Boo!!!

Be afraid, be very afraid...

It's called recognizing threats and supporting actions that address same.
I'd rather take those that have sworn to destroy us out and/or weaken their infrastructure..then sit hear and wait and pretend the problem does not exist. After the initial attack on the WTC's , that attitude got us nowhere. We should have treated that as a terrorists action of war, and perhaps the WTC's would still be standing. This opinion is after the fact but I beleive it was the wrong strategy....or lack thereof after the initial attack on the WTC's.. We all share the balme to some extent.
He or she that does not learn form history...shall live to see history repeat itself.
 

1journeyman

Active Member
Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
It's called recognizing threats and supporting actions that address same.
I'd rather take those that have sworn to destroy us out and/or weaken their infrastructure..then sit hear and wait and pretend the problem does not exist. After the initial attack on the WTC's , that attitude got us nowhere. We should have treated that as a terrorists action of war, and perhaps the WTC's would still be standing. This opinion is after the fact but I beleive it was the wrong strategy....or lack thereof after the initial attack on the WTC's.. We all share the balme to some extent.
He or she that does not learn form history...shall live to see history repeat itself.
Amen.
The Nation as a whole thought just like Tarball is advocating right now.
That cost us the WTCs, part of the Pentagon, almost the Congress (flight 91) and over 3,000 American men, women and children.
 

scubadoo

Active Member
Tarball said:
Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
There is nothing wrong with defending our nation.
But, there is something wrong with supporting a president that is willing to attack a country for its resources.
That has no basis in fact. Where is the oil going? Please site examples. What addtional resources are we taking. Be specific.
That is simply another conspiracy theory that Rosieodonell.com spews.
Pretty soon, you'll be saying the attacks of 9/11 was an inside job.
Price of gas is now how much? How much for a barrel of oil?
 

tarball

Member
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
The truth is based on facts, not uneducated opinions.
Whats the fact, Chemical facilities? Biological Facilities? Nuclear facilities? in Iraq?
Not!!!
 

tarball

Member
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
Amen.
The Nation as a whole thought just like Tarball is advocating right now.
That cost us the WTCs, part of the Pentagon, almost the Congress (flight 91) and over 3,000 American men, women and children.
So please explain how Iraq had anything to do with 911.
Not
 

1journeyman

Active Member
Originally Posted by Tarball
What the fact, Chemical facilities? Biological Facilities? Nuclear facilities? in Iraq?
Not!!!
And there is the flaw in your belief system...
Their absence does not mean WMDs are not one of the reasons we went into Iraq.
Again... go read the Resolutions...
 

tarball

Member
ScubaDoo said:
Originally Posted by Tarball
That has no basis in fact. Where is the oil going? Please site examples. What addtional resources are we taking. Be specific.
That is simply another conspiracy theory that Rosieodonell.com spews.
Pretty soon, you'll be saying the attacks of 9/11 was an inside job.
Price of gas is now how much? How much for a barrel of oil?
It isn't about Immediate return, its about reconstructing world distribution. Iraq is the first step, next is Iran.
 

1journeyman

Active Member
Tarball said:
Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
It isn't about Immediate return, its about reconstructing world distribution. Iraq is the first step, next is Iran.
You get that info from another Top Secret document you got to read?
 

scubadoo

Active Member
Originally Posted by Tarball
An educator option has the ability to look at the truth. The facts of what was found on ground. Not what was hoped for. Reality exists in the facts not speculation or misguided hopes.
You are correct, you are free to post as you feel. You are free to post the facts as you beleive them to be..and ignore others if you so choose.
Our troops continue on regarding this war on terror, and this gives you the assurance you can continue to post away.
The reality.....zero attacks sinec 9/11...no lies there. What lead to the attacks of 9/11.....the Amrecian people collectively placing our head in the sand and not doing much regarding terrorism. We were sleeping..and the cut and runners want to crawl back in bed and send the message of defeat once aqgain......no thanks.
 

tarball

Member
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
And there is the flaw in your belief system...
Their absence does not mean WMDs are not one of the reasons we went into Iraq.
Again... go read the Resolutions...
WMDs was the public announcement, to America & the U.N.
You know that.
 

1journeyman

Active Member
Originally Posted by Tarball
WMDs was the public announcement, to America & the U.N.
You know that.
Again... go read the Joint Resolution of Congress..
 

tarball

Member
1journeyman said:
Originally Posted by Tarball
You get that info from another Top Secret document you got to read?

Ok, your right. America isn't a gluten for oil & Iraq & Iran have no oil reserves....
 

scubadoo

Active Member
Tarball said:
Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
It isn't about Immediate return, its about reconstructing world distribution. Iraq is the first step, next is Iran.
So, where are we sending the oil from Iraq? Hmmm..I guess we should ignore all that jargon coming form Iran...threats, etc.
We've heard those threats before...oh that's right...the towers fell. Gee, I guess sometimes they mean what they say.
You're right, lets just wait to see if they are joking around...those Iranians are known for their sense of humor.
SO, will all those involved in this vast conspiracy remain in power?
 

1journeyman

Active Member
Tarball, since obviously you refuse to look up the truth for yourself:Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq
Whereas in 1990 in response to Iraq's war of aggression against and illegal occupation of Kuwait, the United States forged a coalition of nations to liberate Kuwait and its people in order to defend the national security of the United States and enforce United Nations Security Council resolutions relating to Iraq;

Whereas after the liberation of Kuwait in 1991, Iraq entered into a United Nations sponsored cease-fire agreement pursuant to which Iraq unequivocally agreed, among other things, to eliminate its nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons programs and the means to deliver and develop them, and to end its support for international terrorism
;
Whereas the efforts of international weapons inspectors, United States intelligence agencies, and Iraqi defectors led to the discovery that Iraq had large stockpiles of chemical weapons and a large scale biological weapons program, and that Iraq had an advanced nuclear weapons development program that was much closer to producing a nuclear weapon than intelligence reporting had previously indicated;
Whereas Iraq, in direct and flagrant violation of the cease-fire, attempted to thwart the efforts of weapons inspectors to identify and destroy Iraq's weapons of mass destruction stockpiles and development capabilities, which finally resulted in the withdrawal of inspectors from Iraq on October 31, 1998
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Whereas in 1998 Congress concluded that Iraq's continuing weapons of mass destruction programs threatened vital United States interests and international peace and security, declared Iraq to be in "material and unacceptable breach of its international obligations" and urged the President "to take appropriate action, in accordance with the Constitution and relevant laws of the United States, to bring Iraq into compliance with its international obligations" (Public Law 105-235);
Whereas Iraq both poses a continuing threat to the national security of the United States and international peace and security in the Persian Gulf region and remains in material and unacceptable breach of its international obligations by, among other things, continuing to possess and develop a significant chemical and biological weapons capability, actively seeking a nuclear weapons capability, and supporting and harboring terrorist organizations
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Whereas Iraq persists in violating resolutions of the United Nations Security Council by continuing to engage in brutal repression of its civilian population thereby threatening international peace and security in the region, by refusing to release, repatriate, or account for non-Iraqi citizens wrongfully detained by Iraq, including an American serviceman, and by failing to return property wrongfully seized by Iraq from Kuwait
;
Whereas the current Iraqi regime has demonstrated its capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction against other nations and its own people;
Whereas the current Iraqi regime has demonstrated its continuing hostility toward, and willingness to attack, the United States, including by attempting in 1993 to assassinate former President Bush and by firing on many thousands of occasions on United States and Coalition Armed Forces engaged in enforcing the resolutions of the United Nations Security Council
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Whereas members of al Qaida, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq;
Whereas Iraq continues to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations, including organizations that threaten the lives and safety of American citizens
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Whereas the attacks on the United States of September 11, 2001 underscored the gravity of the threat posed by the acquisition of weapons of mass destruction by international terrorist organizations;
Whereas Iraq's demonstrated capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction, the risk that the current Iraqi regime will either employ those weapons to launch a surprise attack against the United States or its Armed Forces or provide them to international terrorists who would do so, and the extreme magnitude of harm that would result to the United States and its citizens from such an attack, combine to justify action by the United States to defend itself;
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tarball

Member
Originally Posted by ScubaDoo
You are correct, you are free to post as you feel. You are free to post the facts as you beleive them to be..and ignore others if you so choose.
Our troops continue on regarding this war on terror, and this gives you the assurance you can continue to post away.
The reality.....zero attacks sinec 9/11...no lies there. What lead to the attacks of 9/11.....the Amrecian people collectively placing our head in the sand and not doing much regarding terrorism. We were sleeping..and the cut and runners want to crawl back in bed and send the message of defeat once aqgain......no thanks.
How many more shall die before the insanity of the likes of you stop. You are no different then the people you war against & hate. War minded people love hate & destruction.
Like minded people will surely lead us to our demise.
Excuse me if I rebut against those.
 
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