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stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by dingo0722
Let me ask you a question, do you have car insurance, are you required to have it? Why should health care be any different? An uninsured person walks into a hospital and can get healthcare then bail out on the bill. Who covers the cost, the people that are paying for healthcare? His program is very innovative and I am sure will require some refinement, but other states are going to follow suit.
Because if I get in a wreck I directly cause harm to another person and property. Health insurance regards how I take care of MYSELF. It isn't the governments job to tell me how to handle my own business.
 

dingo0722

Member
Originally Posted by Rylan1
And we find ourselves in the current position that we are in today. There have been 3 periods during the Admin that had economic downturns. It also looks to be a record period of corportate corruption and scandal.
We are on the verge of a Recession... with some places already experiencing a recession. But I bet you won't contribute that to the Bush Admin will you. If you want to count all the "records" that you mentioned, you must also include what is happening today!

Are you failure with the business cycle? Having a consistent 4% GDP growth is impossible and has never happened in any economy. Slowdowns and pickups in economic growth are normal cycles. Saying that we are on the verge of a recession does not mean anything. The economy is still growing just at a slower rate than yesterday or last month. The short term driver of these cycles is more on the monetary policy side than the fiscal side.
As for corporate scandal, how would the president have any influence on that? Are you familiar with Sarbanes Oxley? If not you should look it up. Bush put that into place to make CEO and CFO fully accountable for the disclosure and accuracy of their financial. If he is doing anything it is making people accountable for their own actions
 

rylan1

Active Member
Originally Posted by dingo0722
Considering that MA is a high-tech state that it was in a downward spiral because there were no incentive programs to attract industry and during his time in office all that changed. That is huge. Being that Mass is a high-tech state, the industries here are capital intensive. These types of business take time to take root then grow. So even if he matched the economic growth of the US or other states, that is impressive.
Let me ask you a question, do you have car insurance, are you required to have it? Why should health care be any different? An uninsured person walks into a hospital and can get healthcare then bail out on the bill. Who covers the cost, the people that are paying for healthcare? His program is very innovative and I am sure will require some refinement, but other states are going to follow suit.
This is interesting, because Mass does have a mandated Healthcare program, which Rebubs don't want and that dems are in some ways in favor for.
The problem with Mass is that if you don't have health insurance you are fined for it.
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by Rylan1
And we find ourselves in the current position that we are in today. There have been 3 periods during the Admin that had economic downturns. It also looks to be a record period of corportate corruption and scandal.
We are on the verge of a Recession... with some places already experiencing a recession. But I bet you won't contribute that to the Bush Admin will you. If you want to count all the "records" that you mentioned, you must also include what is happening today!
I'm sorry don't get me wrong, but how can corporate corruption be measurable? it has to be measurable to be "record corporate corruption."
The economy is hardly on the "verge of recession." Economic indicators are a mixed bad at worst. From corporate profits to the bond market there are very few indicators of a recession on the horizon.
 

dingo0722

Member
Originally Posted by stdreb27
Because if I get in a wreck I directly cause harm to another person and property. Health insurance regards how I take care of MYSELF. It isn't the governments job to tell me how to handle my own business.
No but if you have a heart attack and have no insurance, who will bear the burden of those medical bills if you default, the people that have insurance.
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by Rylan1
It also looks to be a record period of corportate corruption and scandal.
Just a thought, I have nooo way to back it up, with the information that is already in my head anyway. But in my mind it would seem that these massive corps that have gone belly up had to have been doing these bad accounting practices for years. And they just got caught during Bush's term. I mean they didn't one day go lets

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everyone. Then the next day

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em then the next day get caught. It had to be a good while to get these very complicated scemes cooked up and enacted.
 

dingo0722

Member
Originally Posted by Rylan1
This is interesting, because Mass does have a mandated Healthcare program, which Rebubs don't want and that dems are in some ways in favor for.
The problem with Mass is that if you don't have health insurance you are fined for it.

The dems are in favor of socialized healthcare like in Canada. In MA, the program the state has set forth simply makes it more affordable for individuals and small businesses to get insurance. Yes it is required but again so isn’t car insurance.
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by dingo0722
No but if you have a heart attack and have no insurance, who will bear the burden of those medical bills if you default, the people that have insurance.
Actually it depends, but with Romney's plan, if I had a heart attack you'd pay for it anyways, I don't make that much money.
At least now I'd pay for it.
 

rylan1

Active Member
Bush's 1st term:
1.6 million jobs lost. The economy has lost more than 1.6 million private sector jobs since President Bush took office. The losses have been partially offset by an increase in government employment but total job losses under President Bush are still at 821,000.
Unemployment has increased by 2 million under President Bush. Today, 6 million Americans are unemployed and the unemployment rate is at 5.4 percent. It was 4.2 percent when Mr. Bush was sworn in as President.
Worst job creation record of any modern president. President Bush will finish his term with the worst job creation record since Herbert Hoover. No president since World War II has seen job losses during his tenure; President Bush is certain to be the first President since the Great Depression to face the voters having lost jobs while in office.
Historically weak economic growth. So far, annual growth has averaged 2.5 percent under President Bush. This is very weak compared to the 3.3 percent average growth rate since the start of the Eisenhower Administration and the 3.6 percent rate under President Clinton.
 

rylan1

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Poverty increasing. The poverty rate increased from 12.1 percent in 2002 to 12.5 percent last year. After falling for seven consecutive years and, in 2000, reaching its lowest level since 1974, the poverty rate has climbed for the last three years, with 4.3 million more Americans living in poverty last year than in 2000.
Real income falling. Real median household income has fallen for three consecutive years. Median household income fell to $43,318 last year - a drop of more than $1,500 from $44,853 in 2000 (in 2003 dollars; i.e., adjusted for inflation). Median income provides a measure of the typical household, where half of all households earn more and half earn less. The first President Bush and President Ford are the only other recent Presidents to see real income decline during their term, but neither saw income losses as great as we have experienced under the current President Bush.
A record deficit. The budget surpluses that President Bush inherited have disappeared. Our budget outlook has deteriorated each year he has been in office as record surpluses turned to record deficits of $374 billion in 2003 and an estimated $415 billion in 2004. Massive deficits are now projected for the foreseeable future.
A record debt increase. Last year, Congress passed the largest increase in the debt ceiling in our history, a $984 billion raise in the limit. The previous high was a $915 billion increase in November, 1990, under the first President Bush. Another increase is necessary to prevent the United States from going into default for the first time in our history.
 

dingo0722

Member
Originally Posted by stdreb27
Just a thought, I have nooo way to back it up, with the information that is already in my head anyway. But in my mind it would seem that these massive corps that have gone belly up had to have been doing these bad accounting practices for years. And they just got caught during Bush's term. I mean they didn't one day go lets

[hr]
everyone. Then the next day

[hr]
em then the next day get caught. It had to be a good while to get these very complicated scemes cooked up and enacted.
Yup. This is what Sarbanes Oxley has flushed out. Now that CEO and CFO have to be accountable for the accuracy of the financials, they are scattering to make everything correct, which causes the true disclosure of the companies health.
 

dingo0722

Member
Originally Posted by Rylan1
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Poverty increasing. The poverty rate increased from 12.1 percent in 2002 to 12.5 percent last year. After falling for seven consecutive years and, in 2000, reaching its lowest level since 1974, the poverty rate has climbed for the last three years, with 4.3 million more Americans living in poverty last year than in 2000.
Real income falling. Real median household income has fallen for three consecutive years. Median household income fell to $43,318 last year - a drop of more than $1,500 from $44,853 in 2000 (in 2003 dollars; i.e., adjusted for inflation). Median income provides a measure of the typical household, where half of all households earn more and half earn less. The first President Bush and President Ford are the only other recent Presidents to see real income decline during their term, but neither saw income losses as great as we have experienced under the current President Bush.
A record deficit. The budget surpluses that President Bush inherited have disappeared. Our budget outlook has deteriorated each year he has been in office as record surpluses turned to record deficits of $374 billion in 2003 and an estimated $415 billion in 2004. Massive deficits are now projected for the foreseeable future.
A record debt increase. Last year, Congress passed the largest increase in the debt ceiling in our history, a $984 billion raise in the limit. The previous high was a $915 billion increase in November, 1990, under the first President Bush. Another increase is necessary to prevent the United States from going into default for the first time in our history.
Worst fiscal reversal in history. Unfortunately, this is not a temporary deficit resulting from an economic slowdown or the costs of the war on terrorism. Instead, the Administration is proposing deficits as far as the eye can see, with the Congressional Budget Office projecting deficits over the next decade of $2.3 trillion under current law and about $3 trillion under the President's budget proposals.
Stock markets fall. The Dow, NASDAQ, and S&P 500 stock indices have all declined since President Bush took office. The declining market reflects investors' confidence in the economy. But it has also wiped out hundreds of billions of dollars in assets, including significant retirement funds, made it more difficult and expensive for businesses to raise capital, and reduced consumer spending.
Republicans dig a deeper hole. The economy has remained sluggish despite enactment of tax cuts that the Administration claimed would revive the economy. Instead of reevaluating their failed policy, the Administration and congressional Republicans have simply offered more of the same. Yet the economy continues to produce millions of jobs less than the Administration predicted would result from its tax cuts. Meanwhile, the massive deficits that the President and Republican Congress have created will significantly reduce future economic growth and place a higher tax burden on future generatio
Cite your cut and paste reference. This is a skewed liberal propaganda take on the economy
 

rylan1

Active Member

Originally Posted by dingo0722
Cite your cut and paste reference. This is a skewed liberal propaganda take on the economy

Let me break it down so its not so much info. Ask your self if it is true before you ask where I got it from.

Worst fiscal reversal in history. Unfortunately, this is not a temporary deficit resulting from an economic slowdown or the costs of the war on terrorism. Instead, the Administration is proposing deficits as far as the eye can see, with the Congressional Budget Office projecting deficits over the next decade of $2.3 trillion under current law and about $3 trillion under the President's budget proposals.
Stock markets fall. The Dow, NASDAQ, and S&P 500 stock indices have all declined since President Bush took office. The declining market reflects investors' confidence in the economy. But it has also wiped out hundreds of billions of dollars in assets, including significant retirement funds, made it more difficult and expensive for businesses to raise capital, and reduced consumer spending.
Republicans dig a deeper hole. The economy has remained sluggish despite enactment of tax cuts that the Administration claimed would revive the economy. Instead of reevaluating their failed policy, the Administration and congressional Republicans have simply offered more of the same. Yet the economy continues to produce millions of jobs less than the Administration predicted would result from its tax cuts. Meanwhile, the massive deficits that the President and Republican Congress have created will significantly reduce future economic growth and place a higher tax burden on future generations.
 

rylan1

Active Member
Rylan1 said:
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A record deficit. The budget surpluses that President Bush inherited have disappeared. Our budget outlook has deteriorated each year he has been in office as record surpluses turned to record deficits of $374 billion in 2003 and an estimated $415 billion in 2004. Massive deficits are now projected for the foreseeable future.
U.S. NATIONAL DEBT CLOCK
The Outstanding Public Debt as of 28 Jan 2008 at 05:15:25 PM GMT is:
The estimated population of the United States is 304,205,454
so each citizen's share of this debt is $30,245.71.
The National Debt has continued to increase an average of
$1.43 billion per day since September 29, 2006!
 

dingo0722

Member
Rylan1 said:
Rylan1 said:
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A record deficit. The budget surpluses that President Bush inherited have disappeared. Our budget outlook has deteriorated each year he has been in office as record surpluses turned to record deficits of $374 billion in 2003 and an estimated $415 billion in 2004. Massive deficits are now projected for the foreseeable future.
U.S. NATIONAL DEBT CLOCK
The Outstanding Public Debt as of 28 Jan 2008 at 05:15:25 PM GMT is:
The estimated population of the United States is 304,205,454
so each citizen's share of this debt is $30,245.71.
The National Debt has continued to increase an average of
$1.43 billion per day since September 29, 2006!
I understand the national deficet, but do you understand the consiqueces of a government operating under a surplus? A surplus is not a good thing at all
 

rylan1

Active Member
dingo0722 said:
Rylan1 said:
Originally Posted by Rylan1
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A record deficit. The budget surpluses that President Bush inherited have disappeared. Our budget outlook has deteriorated each year he has been in office as record surpluses turned to record deficits of $374 billion in 2003 and an estimated $415 billion in 2004. Massive deficits are now projected for the foreseeable future.
I understand the national deficet, but do you understand the consiqueces of a government operating under a surplus? A surplus is not a good thing at all
Please tell me? Fix Social Security?
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by Rylan1
A record deficit. The budget surpluses that President Bush inherited have disappeared. Our budget outlook has deteriorated each year he has been in office as record surpluses turned to record deficits of $374 billion in 2003 and an estimated $415 billion in 2004. Massive deficits are now projected for the foreseeable future.
A record debt increase. Last year, Congress passed the largest increase in the debt ceiling in our history, a $984 billion raise in the limit. The previous high was a $915 billion increase in November, 1990, under the first President Bush. Another increase is necessary to prevent the United States from going into default for the first time in our history.
Not going to argue on spending (one of the reasons I'm against obama's social heath care plan more spending)
But there was no budget surplus, it was "anticipated" but never realised because of the lower revenue than what was expected with the high clinton taxes.
You can tho equally thank your liberally controlled congress for the massive spending problems.
(You have struck across my huge problem with Bush) Spending
 
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