Republican vs. Democrat

1journeyman

Active Member
Originally Posted by Dogstar
http:///forum/post/2481439
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Its true I might have temperally fell victim to the " leftist spin machine " but I do try not to fall victim to any spin machines. And I think most will agree they all have them...
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I know you don't man.
It was very confusing. Had I not seen it yesterday on the news I wouldn't have caught it.
I believe much of the confusion is coming from certain webpages that are releasing the Madison speech (the one where she uses the word "really") while labeling it the Milwaukee speech.
 

groupergenius

Active Member
Originally Posted by Dogstar
http:///forum/post/2481439
My apologies to Grouper...I did jump the gun with my comment.
My first action on seeing this was to search and I found some/many versions of the Madison speech with the word " really " and what to me, that word seemed altered or muffled or basically not clear and mostly comeing from what I considered bias sources IMO like ones linked from above and made me suspicious.
I also found versions of that speech were " really " was very clear....and this made me even more suspicious of the others.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukGFx...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh1TddL9YvQ
Also, at first, I could only find the Milwauke speech from basicaly the same types of sources, again, suspicious. But finally, after I posted my early posts. I did find it from a source that I somewhat consider non-bias and agree she said it different at the two speeches......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2wnoAMAdh4
I personaly don't consider it such a big deal and want try to analize her life or what she meant or what she goes/been thru because I am neither a woman nor black. No disrepect to either its just that I dont live in those/her shoes.
Its true I might have temperally fell victim to the " leftist spin machine " but I do try not to fall victim to any spin machines. And I think most will agree they all have them...
Im not makeing an excuse here for what I said to Grouper, again, my apologies to him, just explaining how things go on in my head....if that matters to anyone.
We are all human. The spin doctoring goes both ways.
As long as most of, or all (dreaming) of us keep to the un-biased. We can make better decisions. Some may say she just made a poor choice in how she said how she felt. And some will say this is just a tip of how the Obamas feel deep down. I am of the latter group.
Need I remind us of: Jimmy the Greek, Imus, and many others who have said something that got blown way out of context.
Dogstar, for what it matters, apology accepted. But not needed. I'm a thick skinner.
 

groupergenius

Active Member
BTW, the SWF poll has Obama+Hillary gettin their booties handed to them by McCain by a HUGE margin.

Sorry, just had to throw that in.
 

jmick

Active Member
Dear god, how could this man be a front runner and a possible candidate?
Q: “What about grants for --- education in the United States? Should they include instructions about using contraceptives? Or should it be Bush’s policy, which is just abstinence?”
Mr. McCain: (Long pause) “Ahhh. I think I support the president’s policy.”
Q: “So no contraception, no counseling on contraception. Just abstinence. Do you think contraceptives help stop the spread of HIV?”
Mr. McCain: (Long pause) “You’ve stumped me.”
Q: “I mean, I think you’d probably agree it probably does help stop it?”
Mr. McCain: (Laughs) “Are we on the Straight Talk express? I’m not informed enough on it. Let me find out. You know, I’m sure I’ve taken a position on it on the past. I have to find out what my position was. Brian, would you find out what my position is on contraception – I’m sure I’m opposed to government spending on it, I’m sure I support the president’s policies on it.”
Q: “But you would agree that condoms do stop the spread of sexually transmitted diseases. Would you say: ‘No, we’re not going to distribute them,’ knowing that?”
Mr. McCain: (Twelve-second pause) “Get me Coburn’s thing, ask Weaver to get me Coburn’s paper that he just gave me in the last couple of days. I’ve never gotten into these issues before.”
 

groupergenius

Active Member
Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2481831
Dear god, how could this man be a front runner and a possible candidate?
Q: “What about grants for --- education in the United States? Should they include instructions about using contraceptives? Or should it be Bush’s policy, which is just abstinence?”
Mr. McCain: (Long pause) “Ahhh. I think I support the president’s policy.”
Q: “So no contraception, no counseling on contraception. Just abstinence. Do you think contraceptives help stop the spread of HIV?”
Mr. McCain: (Long pause) “You’ve stumped me.”
Q: “I mean, I think you’d probably agree it probably does help stop it?”
Mr. McCain: (Laughs) “Are we on the Straight Talk express? I’m not informed enough on it. Let me find out. You know, I’m sure I’ve taken a position on it on the past. I have to find out what my position was. Brian, would you find out what my position is on contraception – I’m sure I’m opposed to government spending on it, I’m sure I support the president’s policies on it.”
Q: “But you would agree that condoms do stop the spread of sexually transmitted diseases. Would you say: ‘No, we’re not going to distribute them,’ knowing that?”
Mr. McCain: (Twelve-second pause) “Get me Coburn’s thing, ask Weaver to get me Coburn’s paper that he just gave me in the last couple of days. I’ve never gotten into these issues before.”

Condoms are way down on the list as far as deciding a Prez for me. Maybe if Bill used them history would be different, eh?
 

socal57che

Active Member
I don't want my daughters thinking it's OK to have --- at 12 yrs old because school teaches them that condoms make it safe. Missing the entire point, IMO. I don't want my tax dollars spent on condoms for slutty teenage democrats.
 

1journeyman

Active Member
Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2481831
Dear god, how could this man be a front runner and a possible candidate?....”
Let's imagine a similar conversation with Obama:
Q:“What about grants for --- education in the United States? Should they include instructions about using contraceptives? Or should it be Bush’s policy, which is just abstinence?”
Obama: What we need is a change. Americans are ready for change. Americans need change. I hope to bring a change to the status quo in Washington....
 

bdhutier

Member
Originally Posted by socal57che
http:///forum/post/2481876
I don't want my daughters thinking it's OK to have --- at 12 yrs old because school teaches them that condoms make it safe. Missing the entire point, IMO. I don't want my tax dollars spent on condoms for slutty teenage democrats.
Holy cow... a Californian I can agree with!!
Right on the money, socal!
 

socal57che

Active Member

Originally Posted by bdhutier
http:///forum/post/2481931
Holy cow... a Californian
I can agree with!!
Right on the money, socal!
Doesn't really count...I'm from Kansas City and hunted in Texas as a small boy. Pheasant and rabbit near Lubbock in Plainview. Aunt had a rock shop in El Paso, too.
 

jmick

Active Member
Originally Posted by socal57che
http:///forum/post/2481876
I don't want my daughters thinking it's OK to have --- at 12 yrs old because school teaches them that condoms make it safe. Missing the entire point, IMO. I don't want my tax dollars spent on condoms for slutty teenage democrats.
How in the world does saying that yes, condoms do indeed help stop the spread of aids and other STDs encourage your 12 year old to engage in sexual activities? What a typical response from the moral right wing who generally lack common sense because they feel an overt need to replace it with their "morals and values".
What irked me about his response to these questions was his obvious dodge of the questions to keep the southern Baptists and other dopey Christian’s groups from laying the wrath of god on him for saying what should be said. Which is that abstince is a nice idea it's not realistic in this day and age and that young people need to be taught about protection.
As for slutty teen democrates I liked that, real classy of you. I'd be willing to bet that good republican girls are just as likely to engage in sexual activeties as anyone else. Or maybe you said that because African Americans tend to vote Democrate and your comment was aimed that way...
 

jmick

Active Member
Originally Posted by GrouperGenius
http:///forum/post/2481866
Condoms are way down on the list as far as deciding a Prez for me. Maybe if Bill used them history would be different, eh?
LOL, why do you guys have to throw Bill in every chance you get? Seriously, it gets old man. Maybe it's because you lack a real response and that's all you can come up with....
 

groupergenius

Active Member
Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2482089
LOL, why do you guys have to throw Bill in every chance you get? Seriously, it gets old man. Maybe it's because you lack a real response and that's all you can come up with....
Nah, just tryin' to pull a funny. Unfortunately SWF doesn't have the sarcastic smart-a-- smiley yet.
 

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2482088
How in the world does saying that yes, condoms do indeed help stop the spread of aids and other STDs encourage your 12 year old to engage in sexual activities? What a typical response from the moral right wing who generally lack common sense because they feel an overt need to replace it with their "morals and values".
What irked me about his response to these questions was his obvious dodge of the questions to keep the southern Baptists and other dopey Christian’s groups from laying the wrath of god on him for saying what should be said. Which is that abstince is a nice idea it's not realistic in this day and age and that young people need to be taught about protection.
As for slutty teen democrates I liked that, real classy of you. I'd be willing to bet that good republican girls are just as likely to engage in sexual activeties as anyone else. Or maybe you said that because African Americans tend to vote Democrate and your comment was aimed that way...
So what exactly drives your hatred of people with morals and Christians?
I dont know if you or the left wing hate blog you lifted your info from edited the Q&A but I have included the full transcript here. The original question put to McCain was should the US taxpayer pay to have condoms distributed in Africa and led to the follow up question does the distribution of condoms slow the spread of AIDS in Africa. With the number of African males that are so foolish they wont use condoms even when they know they are infected there is a legitimate question as to how much it is really helping/
There were numerous Reporters on the bus. The followup questions do show McCain stumbling for his answers but there is a reason this is only in the blogs. With all those reporters there if McCain couldn't provide a reasonable answer don't you supposed it would have been a big news story somewhere?
Reporter: “Should U.S. taxpayer money go to places like Africa to fund contraception to prevent AIDS?”
Mr. McCain: “Well I think it’s a combination. The guy I really respect on this is Dr. Coburn. He believes – and I was just reading the thing he wrote– that you should do what you can to encourage abstinence where there is going to be sexual activity. Where that doesn’t succeed, than he thinks that we should employ contraceptives as well. But I agree with him that the first priority is on abstinence. I look to people like Dr. Coburn. I’m not very wise on it.”
(Mr. McCain turns to take a question on Iraq, but a moment later looks back to the reporter who asked him about AIDS.)
Mr. McCain: “I haven’t thought about it. Before I give you an answer, let me think about. Let me think about it a little bit because I never got a question about it before. I don’t know if I would use taxpayers’ money for it.”
Q: “What about grants for --- education in the United States? Should they include instructions about using contraceptives? Or should it be Bush’s policy, which is just abstinence?”
Mr. McCain: (Long pause) “Ahhh. I think I support the president’s policy.”
Q: “So no contraception, no counseling on contraception. Just abstinence. Do you think contraceptives help stop the spread of HIV?”
Mr. McCain: (Long pause) “You’ve stumped me.”
Q: “I mean, I think you’d probably agree it probably does help stop it?”
Mr. McCain: (Laughs) “Are we on the Straight Talk express? I’m not informed enough on it. Let me find out. You know, I’m sure I’ve taken a position on it on the past. I have to find out what my position was. Brian, would you find out what my position is on contraception – I’m sure I’m opposed to government spending on it, I’m sure I support the president’s policies on it.”
Q: “But you would agree that condoms do stop the spread of sexually transmitted diseases. Would you say: ‘No, we’re not going to distribute them,’ knowing that?”
Mr. McCain: (Twelve-second pause) “Get me Coburn’s thing, ask Weaver to get me Coburn’s paper that he just gave me in the last couple of days. I’ve never gotten into these issues before.”
 
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tizzo

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This is why politics is so confusing for me. Issues that are important to us, WHY are they the presidents problem.
Contraceptive?? The parents should teach that, regardless if the health teacher does or not.
Religion?? Same, should be the parents.
Foreclosures? Why is it all of a sudden the presidents problem that people lied to buy a house they can't pay for?
Healthcare?? I thought if you couldn't afford your own, you get medicaid.
Unemployment?? Get a friggin job. That's nobody's fault but yours?
I don't know... The president candidates get bombarded with issues that shouldn't even concern them.
The country wines it's impossible to buy houses the guidelines are to strick, so they lessen them now we wanna know what the president is gonna do about all the foreclosures.
Nauseating.
 

socal57che

Active Member
Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2482088
How in the world does saying that yes, condoms do indeed help stop the spread of aids and other STDs encourage your 12 year old to engage in sexual activities? What a typical response from the moral right wing who generally lack common sense because they feel an overt need to replace it with their "morals and values".
What irked me about his response to these questions was his obvious dodge of the questions to keep the southern Baptists and other dopey Christian’s groups from laying the wrath of god on him for saying what should be said. Which is that abstince is a nice idea it's not realistic in this day and age and that young people need to be taught about protection.
As for slutty teen democrates I liked that, real classy of you. I'd be willing to bet that good republican girls are just as likely to engage in sexual activeties as anyone else. Or maybe you said that because African Americans tend to vote Democrate and your comment was aimed that way...
That's me. Dopey Christian. Your heinous retort (which I am proud was directed at my stupid Christian self) leads me to believe that you:
a. have a slutty teenage daughter and are afraid of her getting knocked up by the entire football team.
b. are afraid to talk to your own kids about the responsibility of said 3 letter word. Let teachers do it, they know what's best for my child.
c. must be a black democrat.
d. cannot comprehend that THIS IS NOT WORKING and we need moral people to educate our youth. Not dope smoking liberal teachers/professors who are more and more often seen in court for having *insert 3 letter word* with the children they are supposed to be educating.
You, sir, are the reason I turn my back on your democratic candidates election after election. I am not republican. I am AMERICAN and want to see this country be the best it can be. I'd vote democratic if there were someone worth my vote.
 

socal57che

Active Member
Originally Posted by Tizzo
http:///forum/post/2482295
This is why politics is so confusing for me. Issues that are important to us, WHY are they the presidents problem.
Contraceptive?? The parents should teach that, regardless if the health teacher does or not.
Religion?? Same, should be the parents.
Foreclosures? Why is it all of a sudden the presidents problem that people lied to buy a house they can't pay for?
Healthcare?? I thought if you couldn't afford your own, you get medicaid.
Unemployment?? Get a friggin job. That's nobody's fault but yours?
I don't know... The president candidates get bombarded with issues that shouldn't even concern them.
The country wines it's impossible to buy houses the guidelines are to strick, so they lessen them now we wanna know what the president is gonna do about all the foreclosures.
Nauseating.
Well said!
 
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tizzo

Guest
Seems people don't comprehend Newtons third law. I know it's for motion, but it also applies elsewhere.
We want free healthcare, and vote for it, but were stunned when our taxes go up.
We want more teachers and better schools, but got forbid I have to pay for it.
We want more more more, but "No new taxes!"
People vote and ask for one thing but never consider the consequence. That's the presidents problem.

OK, I'm done.
 

groupergenius

Active Member
Originally Posted by Tizzo
http:///forum/post/2482295
This is why politics is so confusing for me. Issues that are important to us, WHY are they the presidents problem.
Contraceptive?? The parents should teach that, regardless if the health teacher does or not.
Religion?? Same, should be the parents.
Foreclosures? Why is it all of a sudden the presidents problem that people lied to buy a house they can't pay for?
Healthcare?? I thought if you couldn't afford your own, you get medicaid.
Unemployment?? Get a friggin job. That's nobody's fault but yours?
I don't know... The president candidates get bombarded with issues that shouldn't even concern them.
The country wines it's impossible to buy houses the guidelines are to strick, so they lessen them now we wanna know what the president is gonna do about all the foreclosures.
Nauseating.
What??? Are you advocating self-reliance?? You know that people can't take care of themselves.
(insert sarcastic smart-a-- smilie here)
 
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tizzo

Guest
Originally Posted by GrouperGenius
http:///forum/post/2482312
What??? Are you advocating self-reliance?? You know that people can't take care of themselves.
(insert sarcastic smart-a-- smilie here)

Haha. they don't even hafta try anymore.
 
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