Right or Not ???

[1journeyman]

Wow, a thread where I agree with oceanists and Jmick....
... the Lamb opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him....

 

[oceanists]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
Wow, a thread where I agree with oceanists and Jmick....
... the Lamb opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him....
LOL!
Hell froze over .... I added more you may want to read it again before you put this post in stone

 

[bronco300]

So 99.9% of the time I am going to disagree with it unless some kind of logical evidence shows that ---- Victims and serious disabilities are the cause of the high number of abortions that we encounter nowadays
just out of curiosity, is ---- a justification for an abortion to you then? by that looks like it is for you, just want to clarify
scratch that, read the other one--why is ---- justification--adoption still out of the picture?

 

[oceanists]

Yes I dont believe a woman should have to deliver a child to remind her of a painful moment in her life. Alot of these women have trouble testifying on a witness stand.... I couldnt imagine spawning or carrying a child of a rapist.
Because of the memories and stress it could put on the mother yes I would rather see the pregnancy terminated if the mother is choosing to do that... and if not then more power to the mother for hanging in there , but I think it is easier to judge when your not put in that situation so I wouldnt hold it against anybody.

 

[sepulatian]

I am 100% pro choice. I am a female. I don't find it ok to use it as birth control or if you made a mistake one night, but I do feel that the choice should still be there. I don't want to get into a debate with anyone, but come on. Are people this passionate about other children? There are so many kids up to teenagers looking for permanent homes. All people worry about is the fetus'. Realy. There are so many children that need GOOD homes.

 

[petjunkie]

I'm with Sep on this one. I believe it's your choice but it shouldn't be used for a form of birth control only when a woman feels like she simply can't for whatever reason handle a child right now. It's a private decision not to be made lightly. However, I don't know if I personally would ever have an abortion, I don't believe so but don't feel I should make that choice for everyone.

 

[sepulatian]

For the record I have NEVER had an abortion, but I don't feel the right to have one should be taken away.

 

[dragonzim]

Her Body, Her Choice!!!!!

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by DragonZim
Her Body, Her Choice!!!!!
Clever slogan but neatly side steps the issue.
When does life begin? What's the difference in a fetus and a newborn?
I could as neatly say I'm Pro Choice: "Choose whatever form of birth control you want..."

 

[demartini]

If you don't try to prevent pregnancy then it's your fault not the baby's. What's so wrong with putting it up for adoption?

 

[tizzo]

It's funny how many pro lifers change they mind what an unexpected pregnancy happens and their "man" left them.
I am pro choice for others, but I would "personally" would not have an abortion.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by DragonZim
Her Body, Her Choice!!!!!
Ok, that's the argument it seems. Is it really accurate though? For instance:
Can I walk through a mall

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?
Can I stand up on a 747 and shout "this is a Hijack!"?
Can I walk up to a 10 year old and kick them in the face?
The answer to each is an obvious "no". Why? Well because in each case my right's in danger or injure someone else.
Why is abortion different? Why is an adult'schoice more important than the unborn's? Is the argument that a fetus isn't alive? Isn't human? That's the point I don't get. Why does an unborn child have any less right to live than a baby?
This is an incredibily sensitive subject. I don't want to offend anyone so please don't take it the wrong way. I just logically can't figure out the "pro choice" argument.

 

[tizzo]

There is the "legally" and there is the "ethically". Legally, you don't exist until you are born, at which point you are issued all that you need to prove you exist (yeah, it sounded wierd to me to).
But Ethically you are alive when you have a heartbeat, or a brainwave or whatever it is these days.
But since the law goes on "legally", the baby isn't a baby til it's born. It is just a mass of cells unable to sustain life on it's own without a host... like cancer. Well it's true.

 

[30-xtra high]

i am for abortion to some degree.
i think if it was your wife who was raped, you would not allow her to bear another man's child against your wife's will.
i also think abortion should be legal to "girls" 17 and under. honestly i do not think they are capable of raising a baby the correct way even though they haven't matured yet. The baby will more often then not be the second priority. i think they still have to worry about graduating, or college.
however, i think anybody 18 or older should not be allowed to have an abortion, they are mature enough to figure out rights and wrongs, and NEEDED school is out of the way, giving the mother the ability to raise the child the right way.

 

[bronco300]

does age really definre maturity though? they maybe should know between right and wrong etcetc...but probably not always the case?

 

[tizzo]

Then there's population control, which may explain why the morning after pill is avail without an Rx.
More accurately, the 72 hours after pill.

 

[30-xtra high]

yes bronco, age does define maturity.
an older person is mentally mature, and a young teen girl is not mature at all (no offense to all the young teen girls out there).
i guarantee an older person will be a better parent than a younger person... more experience in life, more knowledge, just an all around better parent.
and like i said before... someone in school cannot pay more attention to the baby than a person out of school with all the time in the world.
notice marriage age is 18? because they are mature enough to know what they want. same with a baby, they are mature enough to handle a baby.

 

[windmill]

I don't care what anybody says or thinks.
That is a choice for a woman to make. There will always be certain conditions or exceptions or whatever for people to say "that's just not right" or "in that position, I'd have one too".
It sure as sh** doesn't matter what I think or what any other male thinks. We have no clue what all happens physcologically with a pregnant woman. We have no clue what would happen if she did or didn't have one. Only the woman can figure out what she wants and why. Once again:
THIS A DECISION FOR A WOMAN TO MAKE
Never should a man be allowed to have the final say.

 

[indydirk]

But since the law goes on "legally", the baby isn't a baby til it's born. It is just a mass of cells unable to sustain life on it's own without a host... like cancer. Well it's true
Not to play "devil's advocate" here, but by using this arguement the mushrooms in my tank are not alive. (and yes, I know we're talking about HUMAN life)
Originally Posted by 30-xtra high
yes bronco, age does define maturity.
an older person is mentally mature, and a young teen girl is not mature at all (no offense to all the young teen girls out there).
i guarantee an older person will be a better parent than a younger person... more experience in life, more knowledge, just an all around better parent.
and like i said before... someone in school cannot pay more attention to the baby than a person out of school with all the time in the world.
notice marriage age is 18? because they are mature enough to know what they want. same with a baby, they are mature enough to handle a baby.
And to this "i guarantee an older person will be a better parent than a younger person... more experience in life, more knowledge, just an all around better parent." I say that all the abusers, molesters, and child neglecters are NOT better parents. Your statement has too many holes in it. Age does not necc. make a person a better parent, depends upon the circumstances effecting that persons life (now I will agree that the percentages are for someone 18 or older as opposed to someone 13 or 14).

 

[earlybird]

This is a topic that will not lend itself to compromise. Personally I do have my opinion but it is just that- my opinion. Be careful as issues such as this do a great job of dividing people.