RO Waste water safe to drink?

sign guy

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You understand what Im refering to right? the fact that IF the water containd a higher tds reading It could only mean we have smart tfc's. thats where Im lost. stdreb27 what was your tds reading on you unit? this is killing me because both od my tfc's went this past week so my readings are already high and I cant test for myself
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by sign guy
You understand what Im refering to right? the fact that IF the water containd a higher tds reading It could only mean we have smart tfc's. thats where Im lost. stdreb27 what was your tds reading on you unit? this is killing me because both od my tfc's went this past week so my readings are already high and I cant test for myself

When I hooked up up my TDS I had reading of over 400 on my discharge water. The tap is in the 230's. And the RO was around 25, after the DI it is 0. I just got a second TDS meter I'll have to play with that, And doublecheck those readings too.
 

notsonoob

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Originally Posted by T316
Well, this last page has just about lost me. However, although I'm not totally sold on drinking the waste water, I'm not buying into the theory that the same amount of "junk" is moved along from one filter to the next. Filters one, two, and three have to be removing something, there not just there for looks. This should leave, at the very least, better water than what entered. Therefore, when it hits the ro membrane, it can't still have the same crud as it did from the tap. And it's not a matter of less water/more concentration because no water has escaped yet, only bad things removed so far.
The problem is that the discussion wasn't entirely accurate. What you have is not multistage RO, which I was thinking was going on. What you have is multi-stage filtering WITH RO. That makes a big difference, and no, your waste water will never compare to bottled water. The US government set a standard of 10 PPM of purified water. (10PPM would be your low end stuff). One stated that he had 25 PPM tap water and that is really clean tap water. The company I worked for gauranteed 4 PPM, but in reality was much better as they always lowball the gaurentee.
Now if you just had multistage RO, as what I have, what I discribed is how RO actually filters. Now only after the pictures did I see that you guys and me were kind of on a different page.
With that said. I would not recommmed drinking it, unless you test it before you drink it. If your sediment filters were to fail, then you basically just increase the consistancy of sediments, because RO is taking out just H2O and leaving the other stuff behind. Sediment filters are basically just there to compound filtering the sediments. Carbon just takes out the Chlorine and the RO squeezes out the water (rated GPH of your filter system) What I mean is that if you have 20 GPH output, then you have say 30 gallons in and 10 gallons of waste water to output 20 gallons of FO water (I am just putting in numbers) But you get the 30 gallons worth of sediment in the 10 gallons of waste water. Or the leftover sediment that teh RO didn't take out if your sediment filters are working ok
I have a three stage RO where I work now on a newspaper press, much like when I was in the bottled water business. That is just three stages of RO filtering where they squeeze pure water (about 99.5%? or so) out and the brine has all the filtered stuff left over which is in a higher concentration of that before the RO filtering. Much to my bucket of salt reference earlier. In multistage like this you would take 30 gallons of water and make 29 gallons of RO water. Thus instead of 30 gallons worth of sediment in 10 gallons of waste water it would be into 1 gallon.
 

notsonoob

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Originally Posted by acrylic51
Doubt it
maybe you believe to much hype.....maybe the company you worked for or work for might be different, but as a whole......I'd put my unit against the bottled companies.
Maybe. But don't buy into the hype that bottled water is just tap water. I wouldn't trust a walmart guarentee either.
Also, your system probably isn't taking out bacterias or chlorals. That is all chemical, UV and Ozone sterylization that is also incorported into bottled water How long do you think the shelf life of your water would be?
If your water was tainted with bioligics it wouldn't be safe to drink, but the same water through a bottled water plant I would drink right out of the filling machine. That is one day after the OZONE is depleted...haha..I wouldn't want to live on the toilet.
 

sign guy

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Originally Posted by NOTSONOOB
With that said. I would not recommmed drinking it, unless you test it before you drink it. If your sediment filters were to fail, then you basically just increase the consistancy of sediments, because RO is taking out just H2O and leaving the other stuff behind. Sediment filters are basically just there to compound filtering the sediments. Carbon just takes out the Chlorine and the RO squeezes out the water (rated GPH of your filter system) What I mean is that if you have 20 GPH output, then you have say 30 gallons in and 10 gallons of waste water to output 20 gallons of FO water (I am just putting in numbers) But you get the 30 gallons worth of sediment in the 10 gallons of waste water. Or the leftover sediment that teh RO didn't take out if your sediment filters are working ok

here is where I disagre, why do you say that the ro is squesing the h2o out and leaving the sediment behind? the tfc membrane is not capable of rejecting the worst water in the bunch my theroy is if you put 30 gallons ofwater into your unit at a ppm tds reading of 30 ppm and lets say 5 is pulled out at the sed filter you now have 25 ppms. 25 goes 10 gallons of the 30 makes it into the tfc membrane and is striped to a mech lower number. why do you think that the ppm in the 10 gallons that went into the tfc woukld wind up back in the rejected line? it only seems to make since that the level of ppms comming out of the rejected line would be 25
what am I missing
 

notsonoob

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Originally Posted by sign guy
here is where I disagre, why do you say that the ro is squesing the h2o out and leaving the sediment behind? the tfc membrane is not capable of rejecting the worst water in the bunch my theroy is if you put 30 gallons ofwater into your unit at a ppm tds reading of 30 ppm and lets say 5 is pulled out at the sed filter you now have 25 ppms. 25 goes 10 gallons of the 30 makes it into the tfc membrane and is striped to a mech lower number. why do you think that the ppm in the 10 gallons that went into the tfc woukld wind up back in the rejected line? it only seems to make since that the level of ppms comming out of the rejected line would be 25
what am I missing
Becuase the water is forced through the membrane with pressure. It doesn't flow through it. You can't look at RO filter the same as regular sediment filtering. Water by a difference in pressure between each side of the membrane.
So basically, you just ahve water on one side of the membrane at pressure, and water on a different side of the membrane at a different pressure. So the water that doesn't flow through the membrane flows out the waste water.
Correct me if you are wrong, but you think the water flows through the RO membrane right?
 

wattsupdoc

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I allways thought the rejected water was essentially "backflush" water. A way of cleaning the membrane from the absorbed TDS. As the water passes through the membrane, the TDS are collected by the mebrane, or the housing surounding the mebrane. Then when the membrane is saturated, the water is backflushed through it, purging the TDS from it. I think whats getting confused here, is the water after the stages of chemical and mecahnical filtration is cleaner thant the straight tap water, but not as clean as after the RO. The wastewater is cleaner water than the tap, DEPENDING on how much water has passed through the RO and what volume of water is discharged. As well as the condition of the mechanical/chemical filters. I do know that all of us vary the amount of waste water our units discharge. The only way to know if your water is cleaner or worse, is to test it.
BTW, I aint drinkin it, I'll stick to me well water.

My dogs too. I love 'em!
Shame on whoever it was that feeds it to theirs. Why should they drink something you wont?
 

alix2.0

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Originally Posted by wattsupdoc
My dogs too. I love 'em!
Shame on whoever it was that feeds it to theirs. Why should they drink something you wont?

UM THAT WOULD BE ME. and i DO drink it.
 

notsonoob

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Maybe I'm looknig at it a bit too technical.
In a way yes, he is right. It is backflush water so to speak. The backflush is that the waste water washes off your filters. That is why it is dirtier than regular water. There is less water going out than coming in. However, it is just that you want as much volume as possible through your RO and little waste water out down the drain. So the stuff going down your drain is loaded with the TDSs. that teh RO membrane flushes out of the water.
Go back and read about my tomato reference. That is what osmosis is. Pressure inside the tomato is pushing water out of itself, through the skin. That happens with everything. Reverse Osmosis is pushing the water back into the tomato through the skin. That slight difference in pressure is that the air is dryer outside the tomato vs inside the tomato. The skin is your membrane of your RO filter. You cannot force water through the skin without damaging it like your sediment filters. Or like a sive for gravy.
 

notsonoob

Member
Originally Posted by alix2.0
UM THAT WOULD BE ME. and i DO drink it.

I would say that anybody can drink whatever they want.
If he thinks you are wrong for doing so, that is his opinion. If you are offended...so what.
 

apos

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Question: does the replacement rate on filter media (the carbon blocks, di, etc.) really depend on the time, or the amount of water passed through them? i.e., if you had a 75gal system, and only used close to 20gal per week, would the media last longer than if you used 50gal per week or more?
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Apos
Question: does the replacement rate on filter media (the carbon blocks, di, etc.) really depend on the time, or the amount of water passed through them? i.e., if you had a 75gal system, and only used close to 20gal per week, would the media last longer than if you used 50gal per week or more?
yes usage
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by sign guy
stdreb27 what was your tds reading on you unit? this is killing me because both od my tfc's went this past week so my readings are already high and I cant test for myself

Well, I just retested the system, I put the inline TDS on the input and discharge water, and the input was 233 and the discharge was 260.
I'm pretty dang sure I remembered a TDS reading of 400+ last time I did that, so the simplest explination was that there was junk in the discharge line. When I'd recieved the TDS meter, was right after I moved and I had not used the filter since before the move. Maybe I had especially bad water.
 

sign guy

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Originally Posted by NOTSONOOB
Becuase the water is forced through the membrane with pressure. It doesn't flow through it. You can't look at RO filter the same as regular sediment filtering. Water by a difference in pressure between each side of the membrane.
So basically, you just ahve water on one side of the membrane at pressure, and water on a different side of the membrane at a different pressure. So the water that doesn't flow through the membrane flows out the waste water.
Correct me if you are wrong, but you think the water flows through the RO membrane right?
right
is this poor dwawing not corect? the first pic is of my dow flimtec tfc.

 

sign guy

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If I uderstand the part about the backflusing that accours in the tfc wouldnt that contridict the rule abut not letting water flow the wrong way through the tfc or youll ruin it?
 

wattsupdoc

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Originally Posted by NOTSONOOB
I would say that anybody can drink whatever they want.
If he thinks you are wrong for doing so, that is his opinion. If you are offended...so what.
I APOLOGIZED ALREADY!
I didn't recall the part where she said she drank it also. I just have a problem when people expect less for their pets than they themselves would accept. Apparently, she does not do this.
If it's good enough for her to drink it then by all means it's good enough for her pets.
 
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