Rush Limbaugh, the original American Idiot.

[2quills]

Unfortunately when your facing economic hardships cherry picking to who or what you chose to sell isn't always a luxury that everyone can afford to have. People should be able to make up their own minds. I wouldn't let a sale walk out of my store like that based on personal principles. There may come a day when you find yourself in a situation and unable to let that happen.
That's why I'm an equal opportunity predator.

 

[darthtang aw]

And the other 12% includes individuals that lack the ability to acquire the education to obtain a job that pays more than minimum wage.  The minimum wage in Texas is $7.25/hr..  That's less than $15,000/year.  A single mother of two can barely pay her rent and the basic necessities, much less purchase the nutritional food she needs for herself and her children.  It's a double-edged sword, she can't afford to go to college or vocational school on the wages she earns, and even if she gets assistance, she can't afford to provide childcare for her kids so she can go to school.  This is just one of a myriad of scenarios for those who have to subsist on a wage that has never kept up with inflation.
Why is she a single mother with no education?

 

[darthtang aw]

I don't consider a church a charity.  Now let's go down the rabbit hole of how much these "churches" give back to the community instead of their personal pocketbooks.  Sure Democrats go to church.  Now Mr. Statistician, show me the percentages of Conservatives vs. Liberals that do.  Conservatives are inherently more religious than Liberals.  That I know for sure.
Yes you did say those things.  I guess the next question is, how do you stay in business if you cherry pick what you sell to your customers?  I'll give you creds for sticking to your morals about selling some pricey dog food, but if it were me, and it came to selling some overpriced food to people that want to buy it in order to keep my business profitable, I'd sell the food.  Moral principles don't pay the bills or put food on the table.
1. The federal government still considers it a charity. 73% of republicans are religious while a little over 60% democrats are religious. Only 3-5% of christians give 10% to the church. 80% of church funds are given by 20% of the people (Similar to government, interesting). There was study done on chuirch give backs to the community in Philadelphia. The average comes out to about 500,000 dollars worth of service to broader community. One church in particular was at 5 million. These services are, schooling, crime prevention and reentry, alcohol and drug abuse programs, Planting trees, cleaning up parks, maintaining cemetaries, Not to mention the services purchased for the upkeep of the church which over 50% are spent locally, Divorce prevention, assisting finding employment....and the goes on and on...
2. I must be doing something right. One customer bought my wife 3000 dollar grooming table for her for christmas. Another customer took us to hawaii for 9 days all expenses paid except airfare. The difference is I business approach is the relationship you build with the customer. Mosrt of my clientel cares about their pets, they are family. I am the guy with knowledge on how to care for them best alongside their vet. A study was done showing how since the inception of commercial dog food became the norm our pets length of quality life has reduced 20%. You commented on your cats age at 10 years or so. The average life span of a cat used to be 2o years. Now it is 14-15 years. Due to the practices that form these foods. Would you pick up roadkill to bring home to your pet to eat? Would you feed your pet meat that came from a euthanized animal? This is the practice many of these companies participate in.
The FDA does not do their job well, they fudge numbers making a a product "Safe". Prime example is the recent Chicken jerky problem. many dont know...but the NY department of agriculture found unsafe levels of sulfa-antibiotics in some of these products. They turned the findings over to the FDA and the FDA lied about the numbers and lowered them considerably. They "tested" the same samples. Sulfaantibiotics can cause kidney failure in high doses. Got to love the freedom of information act.
We dont sell alcohol knowingly to a drunk person as that is an immoral practice...consider what I am doing the same thing..........

 

[2quills]

Money donated to churches goes into building the support structure that helps a whole lot of people in that community. In many cases it provides food, clothes, shelter and a helping hand to get you back on your feet for the needy in those communities.
Churches usually ask for 10% from those who are able and in a position to give. How much does your local, state and federal government ask for to take care of you?

 

[aggiealum]

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/396747/rush-limbaugh-the-original-american-idiot/200#post_3536426
1. The federal government still considers it a charity. 73% of republicans are religious while a little over 60% democrats are religious. Only 3-5% of christians give 10% to the church. 80% of church funds are given by 20% of the people (Similar to government, interesting). There was study done on chuirch give backs to the community in Philadelphia. The average comes out to about 500,000 dollars worth of service to broader community. One church in particular was at 5 million. These services are, schooling, crime prevention and reentry, alcohol and drug abuse programs, Planting trees, cleaning up parks, maintaining cemetaries, Not to mention the services purchased for the upkeep of the church which over 50% are spent locally, Divorce prevention, assisting finding employment....and the goes on and on...
2. I must be doing something right. One customer bought my wife 3000 dollar grooming table for her for christmas. Another customer took us to hawaii for 9 days all expenses paid except airfare. The difference is I business approach is the relationship you build with the customer. Mosrt of my clientel cares about their pets, they are family. I am the guy with knowledge on how to care for them best alongside their vet. A study was done showing how since the inception of commercial dog food became the norm our pets length of quality life has reduced 20%. You commented on your cats age at 10 years or so. The average life span of a cat used to be 2o years. Now it is 14-15 years. Due to the practices that form these foods. Would you pick up roadkill to bring home to your pet to eat? Would you feed your pet meat that came from a euthanized animal? This is the practice many of these companies participate in.
The FDA does not do their job well, they fudge numbers making a a product "Safe". Prime example is the recent Chicken jerky problem. many dont know...but the NY department of agriculture found unsafe levels of sulfa-antibiotics in some of these products. They turned the findings over to the FDA and the FDA lied about the numbers and lowered them considerably. They "tested" the same samples. Sulfaantibiotics can cause kidney failure in high doses. Got to love the freedom of information act.
We dont sell alcohol knowingly to a drunk person as that is an immoral practice...consider what I am doing the same thing..........
Glad you have such a good rapport with your customers. Apparently your business is in some affluent part of town. Go ask your competitors on the other side of town if they get the same perks.

There are so many variables when it comes to the lifespan of an animal. If you let yours cats outdoors, that alone can cut more than 5 years off their lives, if not more. The 3 cats I have are 13, 15, and 18 respectively. They've always been indoors cats, and rarely go outside. I've fed them a variety of foods, from Iams, Purina, Meow Mix, and some of these other "retro pure ingredient" foods that Petsmart and ***** sell. Apparently it hasn't affected their health that much. On the flip side, I have a friend whose had 3 cats that didn't live past 8. He fed them the same foods I did, but he let his cats outside all the time. They'd disappear for a couple of days, then come straggling home, sometimes with cuts and obvious bite marks. So was it the food that shortened their lives, or the environment they lived in? I also find it ironic you talk about roadkill and euthanized animals for pet foods. My cousins are good ole country boys, and they've always had Coon dogs they used for hunting. The majority of their diet consists of the innards of whatever game they kill. They eat deer hearts and liver, Coon intestines, and whatever else is left over after they process the meat of their kill. Two of his dogs lived to 15, still actively going out for hunts until they died.

 

[aggiealum]

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Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///t/396747/rush-limbaugh-the-original-american-idiot/200#post_3536427
Money donated to churches goes into building the support structure that helps a whole lot of people in that community. In many cases it provides food, clothes, shelter and a helping hand to get you back on your feet for the needy in those communities.
Churches usually ask for 10% from those who are able and in a position to give. How much does your local, state and federal government ask for to take care of you?
Many of your traditional churches do give back to the community. But if they were truly there to be charitable, why do they spend millions on these "palaces" they use to have their services in? Joel Olsteen bought the old Summit Stadium that the Houston Rockets used to play in and turn it into his church. I guarantee you his patrons gave more than 10% to build that empire.

The services the government provide aren't the same one's provided by the church. Churches don't pay to keep the roads and highways operational. They don't keep the electricity and water running. They don't provide police and fire protection. They don't keep my drugs and food safe. Their primary function is a spiritual one, and people pay for that service.

 

[2quills]

Many of your traditional churches do give back to the community.  But if they were truly there to be charitable, why do they spend millions on these "palaces" they use to have their services in?  Joel Olsteen bought the old Summit Stadium that the Houston Rockets used to play in and turn it into his church.  I guarantee you his patrons gave more than 10% to build that empire.
The services the government provide aren't the same one's provided by the church.  Churches don't pay to keep the roads and highways operational.  They don't keep the electricity and water running.  They don't provide police and fire protection.  They don't keep my drugs and food safe.  Their primary function is a spiritual one, and people pay for that service.
I can't tell you why people chose to build opulent things. Some people love to flaunt their prowess I guess. Why does peacock display it's feathers? Are there people taking advantage of the freedoms in this country like there are republicans and democrats in government making us all look bad? You betcha. So would you persecute them all because you don't understand a few? You think that because they hold a lot of money is because they are all greedy. But that gives people the financial backing to weather big storms. I call it smart.
I understand there are services that church's don't provide. But there are some services that the federal government has no business getting into either, IMO. Not because I don't think we should have a support system. It's just that I believe the system is too big and slow to help people efficiently enough to help in ways that actually seem practical.
When the foundation of our system was layed down it was done so on the idea that the "good will" of the people would see it to success. People paying their share of taxes, all in all doing the right thing. A system that relies on the young and healthy supporting the rest. Yet our young people have fallen into this culture of opulance AND laziness. How come?
How do you expect a strong economic recovery with this kind of system? This administration just gave another huge sucker punch to the gut of the middle class with the ACA. The very people your president is depending on.

 

[darthtang aw]

Glad you have such a good rapport with your customers.  Apparently your business is in some affluent part of town.  Go ask your competitors on the other side of town if they get the same perks.
I know my "competiton" very well. They are family friends. We refer to each other items not carried and We often consult with each other and do purchase orders together to increase our purchasing power against big box stores. lol...Most of them are doing better than I am. lol.

There are so many variables when it comes to the lifespan of an animal.  If you let yours cats outdoors, that alone can cut more than 5 years off their lives, if not more.  The 3 cats I have are 13, 15, and 18 respectively.  They've always been indoors cats, and rarely go outside.  I've fed them a variety of foods, from Iams, Purina, Meow Mix, and some of these other "retro pure ingredient" foods that Petsmart and ***** sell.  Apparently it hasn't affected their health that much.  On the flip side, I have a friend whose had 3 cats that didn't live past 8.  He fed them the same foods I did, but he let his cats outside all the time.  They'd disappear for a couple of days, then come straggling home, sometimes with cuts and obvious bite marks.  So was it the food that shortened their lives, or the environment they lived in?  I also find it ironic you talk about roadkill and euthanized animals for pet foods.  My cousins are good ole country boys, and they've always had Coon dogs they used for hunting. The majority of their diet consists of the innards of whatever game they kill.  They eat deer hearts and liver, Coon intestines, and whatever else is left over after they process the meat of their kill.  Two of his dogs lived to 15, still actively going out for hunts until they died.

There is a difference between roadkill that has sat untreated for days or euthanized animals versus what is commonly known as "raw" diet. Which I promote as well.

 

[darthtang aw]

Many of your traditional churches do give back to the community.  But if they were truly there to be charitable, why do they spend millions on these "palaces" they use to have their services in?  Joel Olsteen bought the old Summit Stadium that the Houston Rockets used to play in and turn it into his church.  I guarantee you his patrons gave more than 10% to build that empire.
The services the government provide aren't the same one's provided by the church.  Churches don't pay to keep the roads and highways operational.  They don't keep the electricity and water running.  They don't provide police and fire protection.  They don't keep my drugs and food safe.  Their primary function is a spiritual one, and people pay for that service.
Ahhhh, now you change the argument yet again. You challenged that Conservatives donate more to charity than Liberals. I showed statistics. I broke down where that money goes. Your argument was conservatives basically dont care about the little people and those in need, but due to charitable donations I showed otherwise.
You rebuttal with, well charities dont build roads etc. Have any of us conservatives argued for less funding of roads and maintenance? Have we argued against electricity (Oops this is a privately maintained entity) or running water (oops this is a city/county/state operation), fire and police (once again a local municipality), drugs and food safe....you must have missed my FDA report that the state caught something the fed has lied about). So you are left with roads and food safety for the federal government....which none of us have argued against. So what exactly is your point?

 

[aggiealum]

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Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///t/396747/rush-limbaugh-the-original-american-idiot/200#post_3536436
I can't tell you why people chose to build opulent things. Some people love to flaunt their prowess I guess. Why does peacock display it's feathers? Are there people taking advantage of the freedoms in this country like there are republicans and democrats in government making us all look bad? You betcha. So would you persecute them all because you don't understand a few? You think that because they hold a lot of money is because they are all greedy. But that gives people the financial backing to weather big storms. I call it smart.
I understand there are services that church's don't provide. But there are some services that the federal government has no business getting into either, IMO. Not because I don't think we should have a support system. It's just that I believe the system is too big and slow to help people efficiently enough to help in ways that actually seem practical.
When the foundation of our system was layed down it was done so on the idea that the "good will" of the people would see it to success. People paying their share of taxes, all in all doing the right thing. A system that relies on the young and healthy supporting the rest. Yet our young people have fallen into this culture of opulance AND laziness. How come?
How do you expect a strong economic recovery with this kind of system? This administration just gave another huge sucker punch to the gut of the middle class with the ACA. The very people your president is depending on.
How did the ACA give the middle class a "huge sucker punch"? The majority of those individuals had no access to healthcare whatsoever before ACA because they couldn't afford it. I have a contractor that prior to ACA, pay close to $1500/month for healthcare for him and his family for the services he wanted. He's applied to ACA with similar coverage's, and he says it'll now cost him around $600/month. It's not economical to some people, but he'll save more than half on his premiums. The middle class was getting screwed prior because all these people who now have to get coverage, were walking into an ER and getting free medical care on THEIR taxes.

 

[aggiealum]

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/396747/rush-limbaugh-the-original-american-idiot/200#post_3536438
Ahhhh, now you change the argument yet again. You challenged that Conservatives donate more to charity than Liberals. I showed statistics. I broke down where that money goes. Your argument was conservatives basically dont care about the little people and those in need, but due to charitable donations I showed otherwise.
You rebuttal with, well charities dont build roads etc. Have any of us conservatives argued for less funding of roads and maintenance? Have we argued against electricity (Oops this is a privately maintained entity) or running water (oops this is a city/county/state operation), fire and police (once again a local municipality), drugs and food safe....you must have missed my FDA report that the state caught something the fed has lied about). So you are left with roads and food safety for the federal government....which none of us have argued against. So what exactly is your point?
Your statistics showed that Conservatives primarily donate to churches, which basically drops money into a vacuum where they really don't know what they're doing with it. I donate to charities like Battered Women's, Habitat For Humanity, and other charities I know exactly where the money is going to.

Maybe the electric and water where you live is privately owned. In many Texas cities, the city themselves run those utilities.

You cherry pick some FDA article about dog food. How exactly does that affect the food quality for humans?

My point being that many churches hide behind the guise of faith to drag hard-earned dollars from their patrons, and they use those funds for their own good.

 

[bang guy]

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~~ The majority of those individuals had no access to healthcare whatsoever

Hospital emergency centers cannot, by law, turn anyone away. Therefore everyone in the US has some access to healthcare.

 

[aggiealum]

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/396747/rush-limbaugh-the-original-american-idiot/200#post_3536437
I know my "competiton" very well. They are family friends. We refer to each other items not carried and We often consult with each other and do purchase orders together to increase our purchasing power against big box stores. lol...Most of them are doing better than I am. lol.
There is a difference between roadkill that has sat untreated for days or euthanized animals versus what is commonly known as "raw" diet. Which I promote as well.
You missed my point. You want to base the success of your business by the number of extravagant gifts you get from your customers? Move your Mom and Pop Pet Shop to a less affluent town, then tell me how many $3000 tables and trips to Hawaii you get. You can then brag how your customers give you $25 Walmart gift cards for their appreciation for your services.

 

[darthtang aw]

You missed my point.  You want to base the success of your business by the number of extravagant gifts you get from your customers?  Move your Mom and Pop Pet Shop to a less affluent town, then tell me how many $3000 tables and trips to Hawaii you get.  You can then brag how your customers give you $25 Walmart gift cards for their appreciation for your services. :laughing:
I am not basing my success on anything...you are basing my success and quantifying it.I was just pointing out morals over dollar. that was my point.

 

[darthtang aw]

Your statistics showed that Conservatives primarily donate to churches, which basically drops money into a vacuum where they really don't know what they're doing with it.  I donate to charities like Battered Women's, Habitat For Humanity, and other charities I know exactly where the money is going to.
Maybe the electric and water where you live is privately owned.  In many Texas cities, the city themselves run those utilities.
You cherry pick some FDA article about dog food.  How exactly does that affect the food quality for humans?
My point being that many churches hide behind the guise of faith to drag hard-earned dollars from their patrons, and they use those funds for their own good.
No my statistics did not show that. Since churches do not typically give receipts for donations and my statistics came from the IRS themselves. Meaning whatever organization they donated to, they received a receipt. for tracking purposes.
Now churches dont know what they are doing with the money? seriously?
"Use those funds for their own good", what does that even mean. all charities use those funds for their own good..Habitat for humanity is a christian organization........primary donation support comes from churches..
forget the fda issue concern dog treats....I guess the fact that they lie about numbers in dog treats isn't concerning enough. They wouldnt dare lie about human food.......they would never say something like Hamburger with ammonia is fine to eat. Oh no...what was I thinking?

 

[2quills]

How did the ACA give the middle class a "huge sucker punch"?  The majority of those individuals had no access to healthcare whatsoever before ACA because they couldn't afford it.  I have a contractor that prior to ACA, pay close to $1500/month for healthcare for him and his family for the services he wanted.  He's applied to ACA with similar coverage's, and he says it'll now cost him around $600/month.  It's not economical to some people, but he'll save more than half on his premiums.  The middle class was getting screwed prior because all these people who now have to get coverage, were walking into an ER and getting free medical care on THEIR taxes.
Let's remember that the key thing here to having access to affordable health care for most people what that means is becoming dependent on that system. A system that a lot of people don't have much faith in right now. My wife and I are now paying over $600 a month that we weren't being forced to pay before. Granted we could have found something slightly cheaper but we're not getting any younger and we're not struggling anymore. But for the younger couples working hard trying to start a family, where is their choice if they would rather save their money until the day they finally do start that family? What if they wanted to take a chance and invest it for their future? Now many of them lost their choices. The only good one they have is to go dependant.
From an investment stand point it's a risky proposition at a time when we as a nation can't afford to be frivolous with our money. The wolves are at our door ready to have their way with this nation's market the moment we slip up. China is ready and waiting. You think they are going to promise the American people health care once they hold the majority of our debt for real?

 

[phixer]

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Originally Posted by AggieAlum http:///t/396747/rush-limbaugh-the-original-american-idiot/200#post_3536442
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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/396747/rush-limbaugh-the-original-american-idiot/200#post_3536438
Ahhhh, now you change the argument yet again. You challenged that Conservatives donate more to charity than Liberals. I showed statistics. I broke down where that money goes. Your argument was conservatives basically dont care about the little people and those in need, but due to charitable donations I showed otherwise.
You rebuttal with, well charities dont build roads etc. Have any of us conservatives argued for less funding of roads and maintenance? Have we argued against electricity (Oops this is a privately maintained entity) or running water (oops this is a city/county/state operation), fire and police (once again a local municipality), drugs and food safe....you must have missed my FDA report that the state caught something the fed has lied about). So you are left with roads and food safety for the federal government....which none of us have argued against. So what exactly is your point?
Your statistics showed that Conservatives primarily donate to churches, which basically drops money into a vacuum where they really don't know what they're doing with it. I donate to charities like Battered Women's, Habitat For Humanity, and other charities I know exactly where the money is going to.

Maybe the electric and water where you live is privately owned. In many Texas cities, the city themselves run those utilities.

You cherry pick some FDA article about dog food. How exactly does that affect the food quality for humans?

My point being that many churches hide behind the guise of faith to drag hard-earned dollars from their patrons, and they use those funds for their own good.
Where do you get this stuff from... the media? You have got to be the most misguided, hypocritical and "cherry picking' individual around here. You hate guns but still feel the need to own them. You condem the role of charity within the church yet fail to realize it is the church that has provided more charity and humanitarian assistance than any other organization to date. This is the role of the church not big brother. You despise it because you have no moral code and the church will not bend to accept your liberal agenda. Charity is the churches role, not the governments. You denegrate this country but you fail to leave it. Health care is not the role of government either. Why battered womens and not domestic violence in general? Thats biased, many men are victims of domestic violence also but have no where near the same support network? Texas must be hell for you, France would be a utopia for a liberal feminist such as yourself.

 

[aggiealum]

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Originally Posted by Phixer http:///t/396747/rush-limbaugh-the-original-american-idiot/200#post_3536459
Where do you get this stuff from... the media? You have got to be the most misguided, hypocritical and "cherry picking' individual around here. You hate guns but still feel the need to own them. You condem the role of charity within the church yet fail to realize it is the church that has provided more charity and humanitarian assistance than any other organization to date. This is the role of the church not big brother. You despise it because you have no moral code and the church will not bend to accept your liberal agenda. Charity is the churches role, not the governments. You denegrate this country but you fail to leave it. Health care is not the role of government either. Why battered womens and not domestic violence in general? Thats biased, many men are victims of domestic violence also but have no where near the same support network? Texas must be hell for you, France would be a utopia for a liberal feminist such as yourself.
You sound like that idiot preacher in San Antonio John Hagee that runs that megachurch there. He made some ignorant statement that if Atheist didn't believe in God, and since this country was based on Christian principles, they should all pack up and leave the country. I don't allow anyone to guide me or my beliefs but myself. I don't agree with churches who force their patrons to hand them over their personal income simply because they want some sort of spiritual relief, regardless of where they use the money. Batter Women's is just one organizxation of many that I donate to. Yes, I also donate to organization that assist with domestic violence in general, including children. Denigrate this country? Look in the mirror if you want to see someone whose misguided and hypocritical. You don't bring anything to the argument and conversation but childish insults. Liberal feminist? That's a new one. You and Phil must be brothers. Do you also take his advise that men should be marrying those 15 and 16 year olds?

 

[aggiealum]

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Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///t/396747/rush-limbaugh-the-original-american-idiot/200#post_3536448
Let's remember that the key thing here to having access to affordable health care for most people what that means is becoming dependent on that system. A system that a lot of people don't have much faith in right now. My wife and I are now paying over $600 a month that we weren't being forced to pay before. Granted we could have found something slightly cheaper but we're not getting any younger and we're not struggling anymore. But for the younger couples working hard trying to start a family, where is their choice if they would rather save their money until the day they finally do start that family? What if they wanted to take a chance and invest it for their future? Now many of them lost their choices. The only good one they have is to go dependant.
From an investment stand point it's a risky proposition at a time when we as a nation can't afford to be frivolous with our money. The wolves are at our door ready to have their way with this nation's market the moment we slip up. China is ready and waiting. You think they are going to promise the American people health care once they hold the majority of our debt for real?
If you're talking about ACA health costs, go to healthcare.gov, enter in a 25 year old living in Michigan that makes $30K/year, and see what kind of premiums they have to pay. Health insurance is just like car insurance, it's a necessary evil that protects you from financial ruin. No one is impervious to accidents or some form of catastrophic disease ort other health-related issues. I had a good friend who was 28 when he started having constant sore throats that wouldn't go away. After several tests, he found he had lymphatic cancer. Sadly, the disease took him from us after 3 years. However, prior to that, his medical bills were well over a million after all the chemo and other radical procedures he tried to stay alive. If he would've survived, how in the world could he afford to pay all those bills? You could pull out of your driveway tomorrow and get T-boned by a garbage truck. If you had no insurance whatsoever, whose footing the tab for your medical bills and recovery? The younger generation wants to complain they are being forced into getting health coverage. However, they don't realize who they affect if they do become ill, ofr have some form of major accident. WE end upo picking up their tab. Sorry, it's time for everyone to start taking responsibility for their actions and health.

 

[2quills]

If you're talking about ACA health costs, go to healthcare.gov, enter in a 25 year old living in Michigan that makes $30K/year, and see what kind of premiums they have to pay.  Health insurance is just like car insurance, it's a necessary evil that protects you from financial ruin.  No one is impervious to accidents or some form of catastrophic disease ort other health-related issues.  I had a good friend who was 28 when he started having constant sore throats that wouldn't go away.  After several tests, he found he had lymphatic cancer.  Sadly, the disease took him from us after 3 years.  However, prior to that, his medical bills were well over a million after all the chemo and other radical procedures he tried to stay alive.  If he would've survived, how in the world could he afford to pay all those bills?  You could pull out of your driveway tomorrow and get T-boned by a garbage truck.  If you had no insurance whatsoever, whose footing the tab for your medical bills and recovery?  The younger generation wants to complain they are being forced into getting health coverage.  However, they don't realize who they affect if they do become ill, ofr have some form of major accident.  WE end upo picking up their tab.  Sorry, it's time for everyone to start taking responsibility for their actions and health.
You're right. It is time time for people to start taking responsibility for their actions.
I have no desire to purchase that cheap dog food brand of health care. If I want real health care then I'll pay for it at full asking price so that you can't say conservatives didn't try.
But I won't take another dime from tax payers until we see some real responsibility and reform on the part of the people doing the begging in this country.