S&P Downgrades US credit rating

darthtang aw

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While that does weigh on my mind, as one of our state senators said in the hearings for the no-permit ccw said: "The measure of what politicians think of the citizens is how they trust them with firearms." So a state like Texas that treats citizens like they all are criminals and inch from going on a killing spree, shows me their politicians have no trust in those that are the real government-the people.
Ummmm.wow...just wow......this is like....just wow
If obama wins ago, and you don't vote for anyone....you have no room to complain about what happens on the national level.
no open carry law removes a guy from getting your vote? That is kinda sad.
Darth (texas does have the most serial killers) Tang
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///forum/thread/387164/s-p-downgrades-us-credit-rating/40#post_3406849
While that does weigh on my mind, as one of our state senators said in the hearings for the no-permit ccw said: "The measure of what politicians think of the citizens is how they trust them with firearms." So a state like Texas that treats citizens like they all are criminals and inch from going on a killing spree, shows me their politicians have no trust in those that are the real government-the people.
Exactly how does Texas "treat citizens like criminals"? You mean like Arizona, where anyone walking around with brown skin may be checked to make sure they're legal? You must be real disappointed lately. Statistics show that less that .2% of Mexicans are "crossing the border" to look for new opportunities in the US. They figure it's not much better over here right now. They can't even find jobs at the local Taco Bell's. Must be boring not having live targets to aim that six shooter on your hip.
 
mantisman51

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"Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom."

?John F. Kennedy
"I am pleased to accept Life Membership in the National Rifle Association and extend to your organization every good wish for continued success."
John F. Kennedy, March 20, 1961
"By calling attention to 'a well regulated militia', the 'security' of the nation, and the right of each citizen 'to keep and bear arms', our founding fathers recognized the essentially civilian nature of our economy. Although it is extremely unlikely that the fears of governmental tyranny which gave rise to the Second Amendment will ever be a major danger to our nation, the Amendment still remains an important declaration of our basic civilian-military relationships, in which every citizen must be ready to participate in the defense of his country. For that reason, I believe the Second Amendment will always be important." John F Kennedy, April 1960
Yes, the radical, right-wing JFK also thought the right of the people to own and carry firearms was important. Thomas Jefferson said it was the 2nd Amendment right to bear arms that guaranteed the rest of the bill of rights. To bear: to carry or transport. It is unConstitutional for any city, county, state or federal government to deprive citizens of their right to CARRY firearms. Any mayor, council, legislature or governor that doesn't respect that, doesn't deserve my vote. Yep, me and JFK, just a couple right-wing nuts.
 
mantisman51

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/387164/s-p-downgrades-us-credit-rating/60#post_3406910
Exactly how does Texas "treat citizens like criminals"? You mean like Arizona, where anyone walking around with brown skin may be checked to make sure they're legal? You must be real disappointed lately. Statistics show that less that .2% of Mexicans are "crossing the border" to look for new opportunities in the US. They figure it's not much better over here right now. They can't even find jobs at the local Taco Bell's. Must be boring not having live targets to aim that six shooter on your hip.
You are SO right Bionic, no one but brown people have to have proof of citizenship. And yeah, it's great the message is getting through. I guess you lefties might have to start winning elections with ideas instead of buses of illegals.
 
mantisman51

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"and the right of each citizen 'to keep and bear arms' "
He was either being redundant or specifying TO BEAR-you know carry? With all due respect Reef, that condescending attitude from you and from republicans is why I have little problem not voting for them.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///forum/thread/387164/s-p-downgrades-us-credit-rating/60#post_3406937
"and the right of each citizen 'to keep and bear arms' "
He was either being redundant or specifying TO BEAR-you know carry? With all due respect Reef, that condescending attitude from you and from republicans is why I have little problem not voting for them.
I don't really care if you vote for them or not. Kennedy wasn't talking open carry, which by the way I support. I just don't support it to the irrational level that I'd withhold my vote to a pro gun candidate who doesn't have the power to hand open carry to his state at the risk of a anti gun zealot winning the election.
 
mantisman51

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I can respect that. But did you know 2/3 of Democrats in the House and Senate signed a pledge to not allow any further gun control laws to pass? I just get a little irritated when the right to bear arms is equated with extremism. It is as fundamental a right as free speech and freedom of press. I literally thank God we have the good men and women representing us here in Arizona. They are willing to stand up in the face of this paranoid wave of anti 2nd Amendment sentiment that too many Republicans are all too willing to go along with. How about they fight for us citizens and our rights as much as corporations?
 
reefraff

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Being for open carry isn't extreme but being willing to send 0bama back to the white house over Perry or any other candidates stance on open carry is crazy. First off it's a state issue. Secondly Perry is still pro gun. 0bama is the one who stated in 96 that he favored the outright ban of all semi auto rifles and all handguns. Just because the supremes ruled we have the individual right it doesn't mean el Presidente can't screw with us. He already inflated the cost of ammo by discontinuing the practice of selling used brass to reloading companies and the re importation of antique WWII riffles like the M1. How much more will he pull if he has 4 years and no election to worry about?
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///forum/thread/387164/s-p-downgrades-us-credit-rating/60#post_3406931
You are SO right Bionic, no one but brown people have to have proof of citizenship. And yeah, it's great the message is getting through. I guess you lefties might have to start winning elections with ideas instead of buses of illegals.
Mantis, you are the prime example of someone I would categorize as a gun fanatic. You have this massive paranoia that someone would attack what you consider is the Holy Grail of Amendments, and put the 2nd on some pedestal to the point that if it were even slightly tweaked to deter the use of weapons no normal citizen really needs to have in their possession, the end of our nation would cease to exist. I got my first shotgun when I was 8. I've owned a multitude and variety of weapons since then. My brother was a gunsmith, and owned his own gun shop where I had access to virtually every legal gun imaginable. Today, I own one shotgun and one pistol. The last time I shot my shotgun was 10 years ago during a dove hunt. My pistol? I initially purchased it when several of my friends started going to a gun club, and I went with them to participate in a private competetive shooting competition. I also intended to get my concealed weapons permit, but never found the time to attend the classes. My pistol now sits in my bedroom dresser, where my wife knows where it is. I taught her how to shoot it so she could have a sense of comfort knowing she had some form of personal protection near her in case someone did break into our home while I was away on my many business travels around the world. However, if I had to get rid of those guns tomorrow, it wouldn't affect my lifestyle in the least, or make me feel less secure when I walk out of my home and go wherever I wanted. That's because I know I live in a country where the majority of people feel safe, and have a sense of security knowing that there aren't as many evil people out there that NRA activists make you THINK there are. The US isn't Mexico, Iraq, Afghanistan, or some other country where you have to look over your shoulder at all times worrying if someone is going to attack you or shoot you in the back. The biggest difference between "us and them" is our citizens know the words Civility and Compassion, and tend to follow the tenets behind those words. I feel sorry for you that you live in an environment where you feel you don't have this kind of safety. If it were me, I'd pack up and move somewhere that I could still keep my door unlocked at night, and not have to worry that some nutbag would break in and harm me. I actually know a place like this. I grew up in that environment, and I have several relatives that continue to live that lifestyle. It's in a little town northeast of Austin, TEXAS. You know, that state where all it's citizens are treated like criminals?
 
mantisman51

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Did anyone notice another appeals court ruled Obamacare unconstitutional? I hope the Supreme Court (actually Justice Kennedy, because he's the only swing vote) upholds the decision. Once the mandate is gone, the entire thing has to be scrapped. Once it is gone, there would be no further reason for a downgrade.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///forum/thread/387164/s-p-downgrades-us-credit-rating/60#post_3407186
Mantis, you are the prime example of someone I would categorize as a gun fanatic. You have this massive paranoia that someone would attack what you consider is the Holy Grail of Amendments, and put the 2nd on some pedestal to the point that if it were even slightly tweaked to deter the use of weapons no normal citizen really needs to have in their possession, the end of our nation would cease to exist. I got my first shotgun when I was 8. I've owned a multitude and variety of weapons since then. My brother was a gunsmith, and owned his own gun shop where I had access to virtually every legal gun imaginable. Today, I own one shotgun and one pistol. The last time I shot my shotgun was 10 years ago during a dove hunt. My pistol? I initially purchased it when several of my friends started going to a gun club, and I went with them to participate in a private competetive shooting competition. I also intended to get my concealed weapons permit, but never found the time to attend the classes. My pistol now sits in my bedroom dresser, where my wife knows where it is. I taught her how to shoot it so she could have a sense of comfort knowing she had some form of personal protection near her in case someone did break into our home while I was away on my many business travels around the world. However, if I had to get rid of those guns tomorrow, it wouldn't affect my lifestyle in the least, or make me feel less secure when I walk out of my home and go wherever I wanted. That's because I know I live in a country where the majority of people feel safe, and have a sense of security knowing that there aren't as many evil people out there that NRA activists make you THINK there are. The US isn't Mexico, Iraq, Afghanistan, or some other country where you have to look over your shoulder at all times worrying if someone is going to attack you or shoot you in the back. The biggest difference between "us and them" is our citizens know the words Civility and Compassion, and tend to follow the tenets behind those words. I feel sorry for you that you live in an environment where you feel you don't have this kind of safety. If it were me, I'd pack up and move somewhere that I could still keep my door unlocked at night, and not have to worry that some nutbag would break in and harm me. I actually know a place like this. I grew up in that environment, and I have several relatives that continue to live that lifestyle. It's in a little town northeast of Austin, TEXAS. You know, that state where all it's citizens are treated like criminals?
You can ignore it all you want but one big reason we have the security we do is the right of citizens to keep guns. There have been a few studies done where convicted criminals say their greatest fear isn't being caught by the police, it's encountering an armed victim.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by mantisman51 http:///forum/thread/387164/s-p-downgrades-us-credit-rating/60#post_3407209
Did anyone notice another appeals court ruled Obamacare unconstitutional? I hope the Supreme Court (actually Justice Kennedy, because he's the only swing vote) upholds the decision. Once the mandate is gone, the entire thing has to be scrapped. Once it is gone, there would be no further reason for a downgrade.
The appeals court said the rest can stay, We better PRAY the court reinstates the lower court opinion the whole thing must be thrown out. If they throw out the mandate and keep the rest it will absolutely collapse the economy. I don't think the plan is workable in the first place but if you take away the mandate and the whole insurance system will collapse because of the additional costs they have to bear. That happens in a crappy economy and it's lights out. Making those who don't pay for insurance now pony up at least covers a chunk of the additional costs.
 
mantisman51

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Agreed, but that's why I said it would have to be repealled is there wouldn't be enough funding. So either way works for me.
 
mantisman51

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If the mandate is gone, I would think even he's not stupid enough to let it go into effect with 2/3 of the funding gone. I know I won't have anything to do with it whether it's repealed or not. Being semi-retired now, I have no wages for them to garnish.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/387164/s-p-downgrades-us-credit-rating/60#post_3407221
The appeals court said the rest can stay, We better PRAY the court reinstates the lower court opinion the whole thing must be thrown out. If they throw out the mandate and keep the rest it will absolutely collapse the economy. I don't think the plan is workable in the first place but if you take away the mandate and the whole insurance system will collapse because of the additional costs they have to bear. That happens in a crappy economy and it's lights out. Making those who don't pay for insurance now pony up at least covers a chunk of the additional costs.
The problem is, no one has bothered to READ what the other provisions are in the plan. Everyone is stuck on this forced insurance part that was supposed to go into effect in 2014. That clause shouldn't have been added in the first place. What's the difference between the Obamacare plan, and this voucher plan Ryan keeps touting? You're worried about cost, but there's approximately 50 million Americans that lack basic health insurance. As a result, hospital and taxpayers are forced to pay $43 billion a year to cover the cost of those who are treated but can't pay. Why shouldn't those people have to pay SOMETHING in order to get healthcare? You're going to pay for it either way. You want to fund Obamacare? Completely do away with Medicare and Medicaid. That outdated system is what caused the budget crisis and debt ceiling debacle in the first place. Just funnel the money from those two programs to the Obama plan, and call it even.
 
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