Seahorse declining

rykna

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Originally Posted by MonaLisa
Ryk, did you ever find out what kind of illness Valiant had? Is there a name to give this monster? causes? preventions? Now I'm concerned.
Lisa...
Yes I did.
Post Bacillus columnaris...what claimed my both my seahorses.
Flexibacter columnaris, Cytophaga columnaris, Bacillus columnaris)
In many cases, we receive calls from customers stating that they have white wavy worm-like parasites attached to the glass in the aquarium that tend to sway back and forth with the water circulation in the aquarium. Often, the fish do not seem to be affected at this stage. Given time for this disease to spread, the infestations usually begin on the fins, which usually become frayed and ragged. The disease will spread to the skin, eventually causing ulcerations and irregular areas of epidermal loss. Aeromonas hydrophila is commonly present in advanced lesions and contributes to the pathology.
In the gills, Flexibacter Columnaris will color them light to dark brown and you will also notice some necrosis. On the skin, the fish will appear to have mold growing on it, with a slight cottony look, due to a fungal infection that has attacked the lesions and ulcerations. The lesions and ulcerations in advanced stages are usually infected with a secondary motile aeromonad. So as you can see, here is a situation where you have multiple infections present.
Flexibacter Columnaris can persist in water for up to 32 days when the hardness is 50ppm or more, but a hardness of 10ppm reduces viability considerably. The addition of carbon to the system increases the survival of this disease in hard water, but this is not the case in soft water.
Columnaris is prevelant in systems with high organic loads, crowded conditions, handling and low dissolved oxygen content. Lesions generally develop in 24 to 48 hours following handling, followed by death at 48 to 72 hours if not treated.
Treatment and Control:
For a purely external infestation, when there are not any secondary bacterial infections present, Potassium Permanganate or Forma-Green will work well.
In cases of multiple infections, it is suggested to give the fish a bath in Postassium Permanganate or Forma-Green and thereafter, treating with antibiotics such as: Oxytetracycline, Oxolinic Acid, or a sulfa drug combination such as TMP Sulfa. The antibiotics will need to be used on the fish for 10-14 days depending on the severity of the infection. The antibiotics may either be used in the water (as a long term bath), or mixed into the feed (suggested). By mixing the antibiotics into the feed, you may continue to treat the fish externally with the Potassium Permanganate or Forma-Green. This treatment strategy will work well if started in the early stages of this disease.
As with all diseases of tropical fish, proper maintenance and water quality are the key to success.
Thank You and Good Luck,
Dr. Gary Aukes; Pharm D, and the staff of National Fish Pharmaceuticals.
 

rykna

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Thank you every one for your support and kind words. Yes I will deffinately house more seahorses. My 90 gallon will be a seahorse tank for many years to come. But I have a lot of changes and upgrades to make to the take before I bring in anymore seahorses.
I have already begun to research medications and their effects on the fish and the tank.
As crossan said:
"With you deciding to research about seahorses and their sickness would be a great idea for the memory of your horse and to help the future group who will have them soon!!!"
Thanks all

Rykna
 

seasalt101

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i am sorry for your loss would a simple u.v have prevented this? i have no idea or seahorse expierience again sorry for your loss...tobin
 

puffer32

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I am so sorry about valiant.............. Though i do not keep horses, i have kept up with your posts. I was amazed at the time and care you put into this guy, and for that, I commend you. You certainly dedicated yourself to caring for this guy, i believe beyond what many would have done. You will be a success in the future keeping them because you really care. Good luck.
 

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by seasalt101
i am sorry for your loss would a simple u.v have prevented this? i have no idea or seahorse expierience again sorry for your loss...tobin

No, most UV's won't deal with the type of parasite Valiant had. There are UVs out there that may have killed the parasite but it will also kill much of the bacteria in the tank that is also needed....
 

seasalt101

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
No, most UV's won't deal with the type of parasite Valiant had. There are UVs out there that may have killed the parasite but it will also kill much of the bacteria in the tank that is also needed....
thanks darth i wasn't sure but iknow that there are pro's n con's with them, i still think you should be the mod on this board...tobin
 

reefreak29

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
No, most UV's won't deal with the type of parasite Valiant had. There are UVs out there that may have killed the parasite but it will also kill much of the bacteria in the tank that is also needed....
uv dosnt kill perasites they mutate them so they cant breed
 

rykna

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Originally Posted by puffer32
I am so sorry about valiant.............. Though i do not keep horses, i have kept up with your posts. I was amazed at the time and care you put into this guy, and for that, I commend you. You certainly dedicated yourself to caring for this guy, i believe beyond what many would have done. You will be a success in the future keeping them because you really care. Good luck.
Thank you. My pets are just a step down from my family. My motivator is my father. Of all the things he has taught me, I hold this teaching above the rest:
"If your going to do a job, do it all the way plus an extra 10%. Never take on a task, what ever it may be, with out finishing it. And do not relinquish your responsibility for what you started."
 

rykna

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Originally Posted by seasalt101
thanks darth i wasn't sure but iknow that there are pro's n con's with them, i still think you should be the mod on this board...tobin
I second this. Has a mod be chosen?
 

rykna

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Originally Posted by seasalt101
i am sorry for your loss would a simple u.v have prevented this? i have no idea or seahorse expierience again sorry for your loss...tobin
Thanks. I think the main problem was my tank set up and my lack of experience. As we all know this hobby brings up new challenges every day, even when one thinks they have finally mastered their techniques. I look forward to the day when SW tanks are as easy as FW tanks.
 

rykna

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Originally Posted by reefreak29
I'm sorry for your loss . i know how much u cared for him
Thanks reef. I will definitely miss him. Sea horses are the most unique fish I have ever kept.
 

monalisa

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Originally Posted by Rykna
Sea horses are the most unique fish I have ever kept.
Ryk, I'm finding that out day by day...very hard to think of them as fish, per say. IDK, really hard to explain...maybe it's the time and effort put into them and their environment. Mine have very quickly become part of the family (Jonah's horsies).
I can't wait to see your next seahorse project. Do you think you'll go with the kuda again? You've been through a lot, I should leave you alone to think.
If you need any help, you have my email addy.
Lisa
 

rykna

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Originally Posted by MonaLisa
Ryk, I'm finding that out day by day...very hard to think of them as fish, per say. IDK, really hard to explain...maybe it's the time and effort put into them and their environment. Mine have very quickly become part of the family (Jonah's horsies).
I can't wait to see your next seahorse project. Do you think you'll go with the kuda again? You've been through a lot, I should leave you alone to think.
If you need any help, you have my email addy.
Lisa
Nah, thanks for the thought, but I do much better with my fish friend's support

Horses certainly are not your normal fish. There is something unique and special that sets them apart from all other fish.
I think I will go with Kuda again, but this time I am going to buy at least 2 pairs. Horses are extremely social, and need their family. I also am going to buy all the horses at the same time. This reduces stress and disease spreading.
 

monalisa

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Originally Posted by Rykna
Nah, thanks for the thought, but I do much better with my fish friend's support

Horses certainly are not your normal fish. There is something unique and special that sets them apart from all other fish.
I think I will go with Kuda again, but this time I am going to buy at least 2 pairs. Horses are extremely social, and need their family. I also am going to buy all the horses at the same time. This reduces stress and disease spreading.

I also plan to add another pair, probably both females as well...I don't want to deal with the breeding and whelping thing, at least not yet. Grumpygils has a female Kuda that he's wanting to place, and I'm hoping that he can figure out a safe way to ship her to me...I'd love to give her a good home, but we'll see.
I added some of my xenias to the horse tank and did another 5 gallon change just a little while ago. Appache and Navajo love that, I think that I stir up some of the hiding pods with all the water action going on.
Ryk, another hug...can't wait to see what you come up with next.
Lisa...
 

rykna

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Thanks Lisa
I moved the 90 gallon yesterday and rearranged the living room. I added 40 more lbs. of LS and have 40 more for the refugium once I get it built. I'll have to pick up at least 40 snails and 40 hermit crabs to keep up with the new sand cycling.
Right now there's 2 sargent damsels and Flash. My tiger star is going to town with all the left overs...unfortunately so is the water quality. I'll be back on 3 day 10 % water changes for the next 2 weeks.
My brother lent me his masonary bit so I can drill my LR and start making solid LR landscapes with more hitching posts.
I'll be adding a copperband butterfly to eat the aiptasia. Plus I still have to complete the shield.
I'm refinishing some tanks I picked up for free to make some money to purchase a few items, including my own RO unit. That's the first thing on the list. I also need to replace the bulbs in my outer orbit
man MH bulbs are expensive.

It will be at least 3-4 months before I can start to think about
ordering horses.
Navajo and Apache look great. They've gained weight from the looks of it.Their eyes are nice and bright too

I'm not sure where I will get my horses from. I was not happy at all about the care of the horses at my LFS. The horse specialist confessed to me that staff has been feeding them live brine.
Which they refuse to eat. So the horse's health declines quickly.
However, I hate to order horses and not to get to see them in person before purchase. I'll have to do some horse store research.
I should go to Petsmart and ask them what they have for "horses"(ours has tack and feed)...~I'm sorry I meant Sea Horse.
 

poniegirl

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Hi Rykna, I am so sorry about Valiant.
As Lisa has said, these animals quickly elevate to pet status, not just something we replace. It is a different type of keeping.
I did not know or recall that you have MH lighting on your DT (the 90). How does the bulb replacement cost compare to T5 setups? In a seahorse tank you do not need the power behind the MH lighting. And I have suspicions that the intense light is not a benefit to these animals. The critters they prey naturally are nocturnal. It stands to reason that seahorses don't require the MH intensity.
If I am not mistaken, many sites (SWF.com ?) will guarantee --- of your seahorses for maybe a few dollars more. With the syngnathid family this is not a difficult service, unlike other fish families.
I also agree with --- specific tanks, considering that seahorese are live bearers and can be quite prolific. Mating, breeding and all that goes with those activities are very fanciful on the "surface", but should be left to breeders, IMO.
 

rykna

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Originally Posted by PonieGirl
Hi Rykna, I am so sorry about Valiant.
As Lisa has said, these animals quickly elevate to pet status, not just something we replace. It is a different type of keeping.
I did not know or recall that you have MH lighting on your DT (the 90). How does the bulb replacement cost compare to T5 setups? In a seahorse tank you do not need the power behind the MH lighting. And I have suspicions that the intense light is not a benefit to these animals. The critters they prey naturally are nocturnal. It stands to reason that seahorses don't require the MH intensity.
If I am not mistaken, many sites (SWF.com ?) will guarantee --- of your seahorses for maybe a few dollars more. With the syngnathid family this is not a difficult service, unlike other fish families.
I also agree with --- specific tanks, considering that seahorese are live bearers and can be quite prolific. Mating, breeding and all that goes with those activities are very fanciful on the "surface", but should be left to breeders, IMO.
Thanks, I'll miss him too.
On the 90 DT I have a Outer Orbit combo MH Actinic and lunar lights. The lights degrade over time causing undesirable algae that prefer lower light spectrums to take over. Currently it's unit I have for the 90. I may decide to change it in the future.
As for pairing off... Although human, being married~ I know males can get pretty stressed out when left alone.I have no fantasies regarding the birth of up to 1500 tiny mouthes to feed. It's hard enough to keep up with my six year old.
I want to do more research regarding the health benefits of having a mated pair. For instance, with clown fish. When you buy 2, one of them is predestined to become a female and the smaller one the male. They readily lay eggs in home aquariums. Does buying pairs of clown fish increase their health? In the wild clowns live in large groups with a dominate female. Even with tank bred clowns the same male/female relationship is the same. Seahorses are very social fish. Would having mated pairs of horses increase their health? By researching seahorse husbandry I want to determine if a housing a male/female pair increases the chance of success for health and survival of a seahorse. There are sites that do --- the seahorse for you, which is a big reason why I am leaning towards ordering online. Your concern regarding raising seahorse fry is dually noted
 
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