Should College Students Be Allowed To Carry Weapons???

reefraff

reefraff

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I'd say allow the faculty. Too many reasons not to have the kids carrying. When you are young and stupid you do stupid things. If you take a random sampling of 18 to 22 year olds you are going to find a lot of poor decision making. There are proven statistics behind the practice of insurance companies charging higher rates for drivers under 25. I nay be an old fart now but i remember some of the crap I did in my late teens and early 20's and just cringe.
 
bucksarg

bucksarg

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what kind of army were you in? McArthur tried to take our ammo away when we left the PI and went to Japan for occupation, that didn't work, if we went out we carried a piece, without you could lose your manhood, everyone very friendly once it's known you're armed. Such an assinine argument, bullies pick on the weak, level the field and all is well. These idiots wouldn't be doing these killings etc on campus if under proper issue training and a sizeable fee and extensive schooling for the license, believe me these crimes would go down on campuses!!!!!
WW2 fella said that, incidentally you don't put the piece in a closet, carry 100%!
bucksarg
 
1journeyman

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Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2577229
Unless you had some serious training or had been in combat you'd more then likely not even be able to use your CC to protect yourself and would probably be shot dead before even using it. ...
What exactly do you base this on? I have never seen any studies showing CC permits get their owners killed....
 
hydrodamoper

hydrodamoper

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Originally Posted by bucksarg
http:///forum/post/2577437
what kind of army were you in? bucksarg
I was in the United States Army....1983-2005
McArthur tried to take our ammo away when we left the PI and went to Japan for occupation,
When were YOU in the Army?
These idiots wouldn't be doing these killings etc on campus if under proper issue training and a sizeable fee and extensive schooling for the license, believe me these crimes would go down on campuses!!!!!
I agree 100%
WW2 fella said that, incidentally you don't put the piece in a closet, carry 100%!
You cant think that carrying a weapon 100% of the time is a good idea
... (Church, work, Amusement centers, day care centers, Federal buildings, courthouses....)
BTW....I was not argueing against anyone carrying a weapon. The OP asked the question "Should College Students Be Allowed To Carry Weapons???".
College not during the Japanese occupation.
I personally would carry a weapon when or if I thought I needed it (Concealed or not).
 
1journeyman

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2577393
I'd say allow the faculty. Too many reasons not to have the kids carrying. When you are young and stupid you do stupid things. If you take a random sampling of 18 to 22 year olds you are going to find a lot of poor decision making. There are proven statistics behind the practice of insurance companies charging higher rates for drivers under 25. I nay be an old fart now but i remember some of the crap I did in my late teens and early 20's and just cringe.

Let's not forget the average age of the "men" and "women" serving in Iraq.
Properly trained an armed 18 year old can certainly be an asset in a critical situation.
 
ruaround

ruaround

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Originally Posted by COWFISHRULE
http:///forum/post/2577276
arm yourself.
why not level the playing field? criminals usually tend to not abide by the rules, anyways.
totally agree... i think it would make the nutcases think twice before they shot up a campus...
but then again they would just go to a mall...
 
fats71

fats71

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Originally Posted by Hydrodamoper
http:///forum/post/2577289
I agreed 100000%. I even dedicated 22 years of my life in the Army to defend that freedom....
but I would not carry a weapon to the playground with my 8 year old daughter.

thx for your service.
 
fats71

fats71

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2577498
What exactly do you base this on? I have never seen any studies showing CC permits get their owners killed....
You have to qualify with the weapon type you are gong to be carrying so not everyone gets it. It is not like you go out and just buy a gun take the class and carry you must be able to use it safely and accurately.
I scored 250 out of 250 m wife scored 240 something.
My 8 year old son sat thru the class while not being able to get a CC he also qualified with a 240 something as he has been brought up shooting and taught how to handle a weapon.
We are big into hunting/fishing and doing it the legal and safe way. My wife is 50 and she has gone thru the hunters safety course several times my 8 year old as well as have I. We practice safe handling in our home and security.
My son has Benn hunting since he was 4. He has still not been the hunter but with me other than bow hunting this year was his first year or 07 rather. He has saved his own money (b-days etc) AND purchased his own .22 and a 9mm. They are in a gun safe and he is not able to just go grab it but they are his and he has others I have given to him such as a double barrel shotgun that is from the 1800's sks etc. He has been taught how to break them down clean them carry them and I have to say im a stickler and drilled him on it. He does not take play guns and point them at anyone nor has he since he was probably 3 as he treats any gun as a real gun and a real gun is always' loaded...
I think people who are always' saying don;t let my kid see a gun are nuts because when they goto someones house and their parents have a real gun the kids are going to be drawn to it and there is when a 911 call is made due to a accident. Teach your kids to be responsible and 99% of the time you will have a responsible kid.
 
tangman99

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Originally Posted by Fats71
http:///forum/post/2577674
You have to qualify with the weapon type you are gong to be carrying so not everyone gets it. It is not like you go out and just buy a gun take the class and carry you must be able to use it safely and accurately.
Unfortunately, that's not the case in most states. In Florida you can take the CC course at a gun show. Some have you fire one round in a sand bucket and you are fully qualified.
I carried a CW for many years and I carried everywhere. I even carried in on the college campus a few times I was so used to having it and would forget to leave it in the car.
From my time in law enforcement, the facts about carrying a weapon is that when you get in a flight or fright situation, you are going to automatically do what you have trained to do and you probably won't even remember doing it. If you haven't trained, it's a good chance you aren't going to do anything or you will not do it in time.
I'm all for people carrying CWs. An armed society is a polite society.
 
fats71

fats71

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Originally Posted by TangMan99
http:///forum/post/2577716
Unfortunately, that's not the case in most states. In Florida you can take the CC course at a gun show. Some have you fire one round in a sand bucket and you are fully qualified.
I carried a CW for many years and I carried everywhere. I even carried in on the college campus a few times I was so used to having it and would forget to leave it in the car.
From my time in law enforcement, the facts about carrying a weapon is that when you get in a flight or fright situation, you are going to automatically do what you have trained to do and you probably won't even remember doing it. If you haven't trained, it's a good chance you aren't going to do anything or you will not do it in time.
I'm all for people carrying CWs. An armed society is a polite society.
I took my class in Jacksonville fl and also in Brownsville TX I had to qual each time,
I am going to take the Utah one after I get my CC back.
I totally agree with training. We all do it in this family. We use our POW cards to go onto post and use the range there and do scenarios at home as well.
 
tangman99

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Originally Posted by Fats71
http:///forum/post/2577724
I took my class in Jacksonville fl and also in Brownsville TX I had to qual each time,
I am going to take the Utah one after I get my CC back.
I totally agree with training. We all do it in this family. We use our POW cards to go onto post and use the range there and do scenarios at home as well.
I guess I worded that poorly. You can definitely get some quality training if you want and there are schools that will train you properly and put you through a qualifying course. But I have heard that some of the gun show classes will give you a certificate for almost nothing.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2577506
Let's not forget the average age of the "men" and "women" serving in Iraq.
Properly trained an armed 18 year old can certainly be an asset in a critical situation.
You don't get the training nor experience the military does to get a concealed carry permit.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Fats71
http:///forum/post/2577674
You have to qualify with the weapon type you are gong to be carrying so not everyone gets it. It is not like you go out and just buy a gun take the class and carry you must be able to use it safely and accurately.
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Knowing how to shoot doesn't come close to prepairing someone to make a decision as to know WHEN to shoot. Hunter saftey is great for teaching people to be safe with guns but it doesn't come close to the training even a renta cop gets.
I worked for a time at a convienience store and the training manager showed up a newspaper article about the corragious clerk that used a deer rifle to wound a fleeing robber. She said what the article didn't mention was the clerk was fired because he A) Violated the no weapons policy and B) shot out over 3,000.00 (1980 dollars too) worth of glass from the store front, left a bullet hole in a car parked in front of a house across the street which the company had to pay to repair while the robber had taken less than $200.00.
 
1journeyman

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2577755
You don't get the training nor experience the military does to get a concealed carry permit.
Given.
I would never argue against you there. My point is, trained properly, college students being armed is an asset.
What people (not you Reef, just piggybacking on my post replying to you) seem to forget is that College students can get a CC permit now.

The argument is whether colleges should be "Gun Free Zones".
Sadly, schools and Universities have become targets. After the first couple of school shootings and so much press going to the killers every nutcase with a deathwish sees a "Gun Free" School Zone as a shooting gallery.
 
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