So who's burning the Koran on the 11th?

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smartorl

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My point was simply that ALL religions have issues and cult like segments.
 
Here, where Christianity is the majority, we aren't as threatened by it because we are used to hearing it and seeing it and can choose to observe or tune it out. In other areas where Muslim or Hindu, or any other religion is primary, they may be threatened and misunderstand Christianity and feel more comfortable with what they know due to conditioning.
 
People often fear what they don't know and don't understand.
 
Religion has a long and violent history in our world, I don't think there are any clear cut easy answers. It's just not black and white. I think it will be one of the hot button topics for as long as humans are alive.
 
flower

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Originally Posted by smartorl http:///forum/thread/380081/so-who-s-burning-the-koran-on-the-11th/40#post_3307138
My point was simply that ALL religions have issues and cult like segments.
 
Here, where Christianity is the majority, we aren't as threatened by it because we are used to hearing it and seeing it and can choose to observe or tune it out. In other areas where Muslim or Hindu, or any other religion is primary, they may be threatened and misunderstand Christianity and feel more comfortable with what they know due to conditioning.
 
People often fear what they don't know and don't understand.
 
Religion has a long and violent history in our world, I don't think there are any clear cut easy answers. It's just not black and white. I think it will be one of the hot button topics for as long as humans are alive.

 
I agree with you. I hold to the idea that what you believe is a personal thing in the end. I'm so glad I was born in America where I can look at so many books to help me make up my mind. You know who we owe our freedom to.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by smartorl http:///forum/thread/380081/so-who-s-burning-the-koran-on-the-11th/40#post_3307130
I think religion in any form will attract crazies who take things to extremes and bend or twist meanings to suit their particular purposes.
 
I am highly skeptical of organized religion in any form. I am spiritual and live my life according to what I have learned to be "right", where that gets me remains to be seen. I think religion is a private matter, people who throw it out there so spuriously are often those with the most to hide from my experience.
 
Just looking at Christianity, I have blocked about ten school friends from Facebook because after many years, reconnecting only to find out they had been incarcerated, overdosed, pimped out, charges levied for everything from drugs to accessory to murder (small town, obviously some people don't know how to amuse themselves) are now updating statuses every three minutes about God and how everyone needs to turn their lives over to him. Enough of the constant barrage of religious dribble. Especially when you know that they are still doing alot of the same crap just now using religion as a shield.
 
Predjudices and paranoia from religious group to religious group against each other also goes back to the roots of mankind I'm sure.
 
Just like the Catholic priest recently saying that the molestations by the Catholic priests was being blown out of proportion (I'm sure the kids bearing the scars may beg to differ) and that had it been Jewish Rabbis (sp) instead, the matter never would have made headlines.
 
And let's not forget the Bible thumping Southern Baptists who will look you in the face and tell you that you and your family are going to hell for not being of the "correct" religion and following a false faith if you are not of their faith. And if you happen to be gay, or accept gays you are not welcome so you are slated for hell by default.
My mom's family were all Southern Baptists, I am not. They never told me I was burning for not being SB.
 
I have the bizarre belief that god will put whatever form of spirituality he wants in a persons heart and it's up to them to live up to it. Always had a hard time believing someone would go to hell for not being a christian if they had never been exposed to the religion.
 
 
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smartorl

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I was raised a Lutheran technically, as a child, I didn't really have a freedom of choice. My mother was raised in a strict SB family, she married a Lutheran and started attending a local church with my father's family. She was ex-communicated by her family with the only exception being her sister. I have never met my grandmother or (aside from my aunt) anyone from that side of the family.
 
My mother's family was very zealous in their beliefs, music except for hymns was forbidden, gambling, drinking in any form, etc were all not accepted in any manner. My aunt was tossed out of the family home after being caught talking to a boy (now my uncle, married for 30 years) who was not a member of the congregation.
 
I think your statement kind of proves my point, there are variable within every denomination.
 
oscardeuce

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Originally Posted by Crashbandicoot http:///forum/thread/380081/so-who-s-burning-the-koran-on-the-11th/40#post_3307103
So who knows exactly where the cultural center is ? Do you really know where it is planned ? Its not at ground zero. It blocks away from the site. In no way shape or form can you see "GROUND ZERO" from the planned location. So its not looking down on anything .
 
 
I suggest you all grow up and act like adults instead of scared little kids. Your blind hatred only shows your own ignorance. I can't believe that in the year 2010 we still have ignorant people like your selves beating the drum of hatred.
 
The building were the cultrual center is planned was damaged by debris ( landing gear) from one of the aircraft that hit the WTC. That puts it at "ground zero" in my mind ( or at least close enough for gov't work).
 
Again, my greater point is how the left pushes "free speech" and separation of church and state" for their agenda. I as the same for both sides. Should I go kill because someone put the Savior in urine? No! Yet here they are predicting blood shed over burning a book. Should I not be as inflammed? Why am I asked to turn the other cheek in the name of free speech or are, yet Muslims are not expected to do the same in a similar circumstance. No more double standard.
 
BTW, I am NOT ignorant. I'll put my education up against you education any day.
 
 
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smartorl

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Who knows where the original "grain of sand" that ingited this tit for tat. It's kind of like a parent walking in on two kids fighting and asking what happened. This one hit that one, that one hit because the other one spit, that one spit because the other kid called him a name.............
 
I don't know what the answer is but I know it's been going on since the beginning of humans and will be going on long after our children are gone.
 
And addressing the no more double standard, human history is full of double standards. It cycles like wardrobe styes.
 
reefraff

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If nuking Afghanistan meant we wouldn't have to worry about another attack I'd be all for it. My kid is over there getting shot at right now. At least he's allowed to carry ammo this time. When he was in Iraq they could carry their weapon but weren't allowed to load it. How damn stupid is that? He was in the rear with the gear but they still got hit a couple times.
 
If we leveled the country what would it accomplish? Nothing but stirring up a rat nest in some other part of the world.
 
 
reefraff

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Just saw a report that now the Imam of the Mosque is saying there will be "prayer centers" for people of several different faiths. If he'd said that up front, and not named it Cordoba House perhaps things wouldn't have gotten so stirred up.
 
crashbandicoot

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Originally Posted by oscardeuce http:///forum/thread/380081/so-who-s-burning-the-koran-on-the-11th/60#post_3307174
The building were the cultrual center is planned was damaged by debris ( landing gear) from one of the aircraft that hit the WTC. That puts it at "ground zero" in my mind ( or at least close enough for gov't work).
 
 
 
BTW, I am NOT ignorant. I'll put my education up against you education any day.
 
Get over your self Mr High and Mighty. People like you disgust me, use any little excuse to hate. Why don't we just declare the whole damn city a national monument, then we could make all the Muslims move out of New York. Because by your definition of what constitutes "Ground zero" I'm pretty sure most of the town was touched by some sort of debris. You and the rest of your white supremacist buddies could parade around and give speeches, you could use your education to validate your ignorant hate of innocent people.
 
I think its sad that for 9 years the building has sat empty, nobody has wanted to do anything with it. Then when Muslims want to turn it into a cultural center, and do something with the space, possibly even start to rebuild the immediate area, hate spewing Americans like yourself want to damn them and accuse them of spitting in the face of the victims. Who's really spiting in the face of the victims here, the people wanting to rebuild the area or the people like you who would rather see it crumble away into a ghost town? If you want to talk about spitting in faces how about you talk about the Americans living in Japan namely Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Oh wait this would fall under the do as we say not as we do rule, right?
 
For the record your "education" doesn't exclude your from being ignorant. But since you are so inclined to put it on the line, your spelling needs work as does your grammar and punctuation. You might want to take a refresher course or two. http://mw1.meriam-webster.com/dictionary/ignorant first example has your name written all over it .
 
fishtaco

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///forum/thread/380081/so-who-s-burning-the-koran-on-the-11th/60#post_3307144
My mom's family were all Southern Baptists, I am not. They never told me I was burning for not being SB.
 
I have the bizarre belief that god will put whatever form of spirituality he wants in a persons heart and it's up to them to live up to it. Always had a hard time believing someone would go to hell for not being a christian if they had never been exposed to the religion.
 
LOL, I had two SB's working for me and they told me I was going to hell, probably not the smartest way to express their religious belief to their supervisor. They told me that after I expressed views similiar to yours after they asked me what plans I had made for my soul and instead of just ripping on them I tried to be polite and respectful.
 
Fishtaco
 
cranberry

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Their permit request for a fire was denied. They light a match, we blow it out on those terms. There's really not a problem here to discuss, for it can be stopped on those basis alone without stepping on any freedom toes.
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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For some reason I find this whole thread amusing. It is hypocrisy at it's finest. Let's prove we are more open to the sensibilities of others by calling those that disagree with names and insults. I see those that support the building of the mosque calling those against as hate filled and insensitive....even racist...yet in the same breath insult them by doing the very same action back. I have come to a conclusion...Everyone is hateful, spiteful, vile, and insulting....when dealing with people that don't agree with them.
 
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