Soldier doubts eligibility, defies president's orders

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2970805
Where do you get that? If he violated the requirements for becoming President, I'd have no problem disallowing him. But the fact of the matter is, he has provided LEGAL and VIABLE documentation to prove his residency status. You're just to stubborn to accept it. The little grassroots effort to try and bring this forward is a waste of money and valuable time in the court system. You want to keep chasing it, just keep on pluggin'. But don't come on here crying about all the money the Administration is wasting, when you're little bunch is wasting just as much chasing some bogus claim.
All he provided was a copy of a Birth Certificate with questions on its authentication ,there are other factors the have contributed to the doubt of quite a large portion of the population.Why are you so against providing rock solid evidence? I would think you would want it so there would be no doubt.I guess you think these soldiers,politicians,and the rest of us are poor looser.I think i want the truth one way or the other.

 

[bionicarm]

Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2970819
All he provided was a copy of a Birth Certificate with questions on its authentication ,there are other factors the have contributed to the doubt of quite a large portion of the population.Why are you so against providing rock solid evidence? I would think you would want it so there would be no doubt.I guess you think these soldiers,politicians,and the rest of us are poor looser.I think i want the truth one way or the other.
Why are you so adamate about him providing this rock solid proof? As I've stated too many times to count, he has provided a LEGAL and VALID document proving his citizenship. The only people questioning this document are who I term 'sore losers'. Large portion of the population? A couple hundred thousand people out of what, 300 million? You call that large? I don't need it because I have no doubt. Unlike you, I understand the process of providing a copy of a legal document when an original may or may not be available.

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2971022
Why are you so adamate about him providing this rock solid proof? As I've stated too many times to count, he has provided a LEGAL and VALID document proving his citizenship. The only people questioning this document are who I term 'sore losers'. Large portion of the population? A couple hundred thousand people out of what, 300 million? You call that large? I don't need it because I have no doubt. Unlike you, I understand the process of providing a copy of a legal document when an original may or may not be available.
Undeniable proof leaves no room for question.Legal and valid in your eyes and legal and valid in a court of law are two different things.
The" couple of hundred thousand people " are only the ones that have signed a petition,im sure there are more.But if there was only one, thats enough.
So when did you see this document in person that you know is legal document?Oh yeah i forgot it was on Factcheck or was it Utube?MOVEON.org? I forget

 

[dragonzim]

Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2970581
And if you needed "IT" for verification of your citizenship, "IT" would be a copy as well, if you didn't have your original available. Could there be a remote possibility that Obama's mother lost or misplaced his original birth certificate? If so, the only thing available would be a COPY.
2 years ago my wife needed to get a passport and guess what, she could not find her original, so she had to get a COPY that looked a lot like the one that is posted here. Whether its the original or a copy makes no difference as long as it is VALID, which it has been proven that Obama's is!

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by DragonZim
http:///forum/post/2971172
2 years ago my wife needed to get a passport and guess what, she could not find her original, so she had to get a COPY that looked a lot like the one that is posted here. Whether its the original or a copy makes no difference as long as it is VALID, which it has been proven that Obama's is!
Your wife wasnt running for POTUS.
OBAMA COULD EASILY RELEASE THE FULL VAULT COPIES OF HIS BIRTH! He refuses so this will go on and on and on until someone gets this into a court of law and the documentation will be forced to be provided or until he is voted out of office which ever comes first.
Why is this such a big deal to him if he has nothing to hide??There a few hundred thousand people out there crying out for him to do this.

 

[jerthunter]

I suppose I will dive in, five pages deep. Wow, back in my day (which wasn't that long ago) the only way someone from the armed forces got his name in the news was to get killed defending his country. Unfortunately it seems that now all one has to do is make some crazy radical political claims and they become instant celebrities.
Other then getting media attention, what does this guy hope to gain?

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by Jerthunter
http:///forum/post/2971521
I suppose I will dive in, five pages deep. Wow, back in my day (which wasn't that long ago) the only way someone from the armed forces got his name in the news was to get killed defending his country. Unfortunately it seems that now all one has to do is make some crazy radical political claims and they become instant celebrities.
Yeah those crazy soldiers out there fighting to defend and protect the Constitution. They will do just about anything for attention.Including die,become maimed, become a POW or maybe go to prison.
Originally Posted by Jerthunter
http:///forum/post/2971521
Other then getting media attention, what does this guy hope to gain?
Maybe fulfill his sworn oath.
I DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR (OR AFFIRM) THAT I WILL SUPPORT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES AGAINST ALL ENEMIES, FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC; THAT I WILL BEAR TRUE FAITH AND ALLEGIANCE TO THE SAME; AND THAT I WILL OBEY THE ORDERS OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE ORDERS OF THE OFFICERS APPOINTED OVER ME, ACCORDING TO REGULATIONS AND THE UNIFORM CODE OF MILITARY JUSTICE. SO HELP ME GOD.
Maybe we should take out the words Constitution and GOD

 

[jerthunter]

Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2971530
Yeah those crazy soldiers out there fighting to defend and protect the Constitution. They will do just about anything for attention.Including die,become maimed, become a POW or maybe go to prison.
Maybe fulfill his sworn oath.
I DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR (OR AFFIRM) THAT I WILL SUPPORT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES AGAINST ALL ENEMIES, FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC; THAT I WILL BEAR TRUE FAITH AND ALLEGIANCE TO THE SAME; AND THAT I WILL OBEY THE ORDERS OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE ORDERS OF THE OFFICERS APPOINTED OVER ME, ACCORDING TO REGULATIONS AND THE UNIFORM CODE OF MILITARY JUSTICE. SO HELP ME GOD.
Maybe we should take out the words Constitution and GOD
It's funny, I seem to see something about obeying the orders of the president and the officers appointed over me, in that quote of yours.

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by Jerthunter
http:///forum/post/2971554
It's funny, I seem to see something about obeying the orders of the president and the officers appointed over me, in that quote of yours.
Then apparently you didn't start reading from page one and the story contained in it.
May i suggest you go back and do so before you chime in.

 

[jerthunter]

Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2971563
Then apparently you didn't start reading from page one and the story contained in it.
May i suggest you go back and do so before you chime in.
Suggest away and I'll note your suggestion sport.
Thinking about this, maybe I am just jealous. If I had thought of this idea back when I was in the military I could have just called anyone I didn't want to listen to an imposter and claim that I was defending the consitution, it would have been so much easier then just doing my job.

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by Jerthunter
http:///forum/post/2971568
Suggest away and I'll note your suggestion sport.
Thinking about this, maybe I am just jealous. If I had thought of this idea back when I was in the military I could have just called anyone I didn't want to listen to an imposter and claim that I was defending the consitution, it would have been so much easier then just doing my job.
I suppose your entitled to your own opinion on these three individuals (one retired) intentions based on ignorance of fact. Why not

Carry on sport

 

[moprint]

Originally Posted by Jerthunter
http:///forum/post/2971568
Thinking about this, maybe I am just jealous. If I had thought of this idea back when I was in the military I could have just called anyone I didn't want to listen to an imposter and claim that I was defending the consitution, it would have been so much easier then just doing my job.
This officer is still following orders and doing his job. You really do need to read the article. Don't assume anything it only makes an ass out u and me.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2970703
Presidential Succession Act of 1947 (Amended)
http://www.doctorzebra.com/prez/a_act1947now.htm
(2) An individual acting as President under this subsection shall continue so to do until the expiration of the then current Presidential term, but not after a qualified and prior-entitled individual is able to act,
I think this means a new election would have to take place.
I think in order to be entitled you would have to be elected not runner up.
The only thing I know for sure is it would be a big mess. Biden couldn't take office because his ticket would have been declared invalid. For sure would fall to a special session of the SCOTUS to decide that so I suppose the filthy little yard gnome might be in charge. I'D RATHER HAVE OBAMA!!!

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2972251
The only thing I know for sure is it would be a big mess. Biden couldn't take office because his ticket would have been declared invalid. For sure would fall to a special session of the SCOTUS to decide that so I suppose the filthy little yard gnome might be in charge. I'D RATHER HAVE OBAMA!!!
ROFL!

 

[bang guy]

Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2969784
If a foreign born naturalized citizen was born in another nation ,then a natural born citizen would be born on the soil of his country? ArticlII Section 1 says "at the time of the adoption of this Constitution,"[/B] Because most of them where from foreign countrys at the time of the birth of the USA.Hence this is a Grandfather Clause to separate themselves form future generations.This was and is to prevent Dual allegiances,or allegences that would be dangerous to our country.
A couple comments here Veni.
President Obama's mother was a U.S. citizen. That makes him a natural born citizen no matter where he was born as long as he declairs his citizenship by age 18 (Naturalized).
Hawaii was not part of the United States when Obama was born so the Hawaii thing is irrelevant.
Senator McCain was born in Panama, does this disqualify him?

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Bang Guy
http:///forum/post/2972926
A couple comments here Veni.
President Obama's mother was a U.S. citizen. That makes him a natural born citizen no matter where he was born as long as he declairs his citizenship by age 18 (Naturalized).
Hawaii was not part of the United States when Obama was born so the Hawaii thing is irrelevant.
Senator McCain was born in Panama, does this disqualify him?
Bang, subtraction is difficult I do understand. However as an adult, you should be able to handle it. Obama is 47 right? I think his birthday is in august. That should put him being born in 1961. Hawaii became a state in 1959.
2nd point naturalized citizens cannot be president.
If you are smart enough to do the paperwork, an expatriate of the United States, can have a child born out of the US and be considered a native born American. A second point with McCain, at the time he was born his father was stationed at the Panama canal on a military installation. That is also considered sovereign US territory. So that is a mute point.
btw I'm just giving you a hard time.

 

[veni vidi vici]

Originally Posted by Bang Guy
http:///forum/post/2972926
A couple comments here Veni.
President Obama's mother was a U.S. citizen. That makes him a natural born citizen no matter where he was born as long as he declairs his citizenship by age 18 (Naturalized).
Hawaii was not part of the United States when Obama was born so the Hawaii thing is irrelevant.
Senator McCain was born in Panama, does this disqualify him?
Ill have to look it up but there is some legality questions on not weather his mother was a Natural Born Citizen but it was something to do with her age.Ill research it and get back with it.
Naturalized isnt qualification Natural Born is
The other question is his possible Dual Citizenship which is another clear violation of requirements.
McCain apparently was born on Sovereign US soil in Panama on a US Military Installation , same status as our Embassy.
However he isnt POTUS so i havent even researched any info on what his status would be.

 

[bang guy]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2972937
Bang, subtraction is difficult I do understand. However as an adult, you should be able to handle it. Obama is 47 right? I think his birthday is in august. That should put him being born in 1961. Hawaii became a state in 1959.
hi:
Drat, you're right! Why does '62 stick in my mind?
{wanders off muttering}

 

[veni vidi vici]

Ok here it is,If Obama was born in Indonesia he would be a Indonesian Citizen,If he then Miigrrated with his mother back to the states he is technically a Naturalized citizen with dual citizenships.Both disqualify him from being POTUS.
Article II section 1

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Bang Guy
http:///forum/post/2972958
Drat, you're right!
You act surprised? That kind of reminds me of my wife. You'd think after all these years we've known each other she'd learn that I'm typically right...