Soldier doubts eligibility, defies president's orders

reefraff

reefraff

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If Obama's mother had resided in the US for a minimum of 5 years in her life being a US citizen her child would be considered a natural born citizen no matter the status of his father. If the father was a resident alien she must have lived in the country for a year.
So even if Obama wasn't born in the US he will still be considered a natural born citizen if his mother had lived here at least 5 years in her life. The people pushing this suit needn't fear being spirited away in the dead of night for their rocket fuel formulas.
 
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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2973329
If Obama's mother had resided in the US for a minimum of 5 years in her life being a US citizen her child would be considered a natural born citizen no matter the status of his father. If the father was a resident alien she must have lived in the country for a year.
So even if Obama wasn't born in the US he will still be considered a natural born citizen if his mother had lived here at least 5 years in her life. The people pushing this suit needn't fear being spirited away in the dead of night for their rocket fuel formulas.
I found overwhelming plethora of information,so much info that i can see why this has gone on for so long.A vast Bureaucratic Grey Area
THE CITIZENSHIP RIGHTS OF AMERICAN CHILDREN BORN OVERSEAS - MAY 2007
(1) a blood relationship between the person and the father is established by clear and convincing
evidence,
(2) the father had the nationality of the United States at the time of the person's birth,
(3) the father (unless deceased) has agreed in writing to provide financial support for the person until
the person reaches the age of 18 years, and
(4) while the person is under the age of 18 years-
(A) the person is legitimated under the law of the person's residence or domicile,
(B) the father acknowledges paternity of the person in writing under oath, or
(C) the paternity of the person is established by adjudication of a competent court.
(b) Except as otherwise provided in section 405, the provisions of section 301(g) shall apply to a
child born out of wedlock on or after January 13, 1941, and before December 24, 1952, as of the
date of birth, if the paternity of such child is established at any time while such child is under the age
of twenty-one years by legitimation.
(c) Notwithstanding the provision of subsection (a) of this section, a person born, after December
23, 1952, outside the United States and out of wedlock shall be held to have acquired at birth the
nationality status of his mother, if the mother had the nationality of the United States at the time of
such person's birth, and if the mother had previously been physically present in the United States or
one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year.
http://www.aca.ch/joomla/images/pdfs/childcit.pdf
(United States Code, Title 8, section 1448). The United States of America does not accept dual citizenship. In order for a person to be naturalized as a citizen, he or she must take an oath of allegiance to the United States of America and renounce allegiance and fidelity to the foreign state. A person can not swear allegiance to this country and owe it to another.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/1448.html
13 cases still pending all the way up to the Supreme Court.
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Man, you have WAY too much time on your hands. So based on this post with all these conditions of citizenship, what are you trying to say? I mean, the item you have 4c, that talks about someone born outside the US after 1952 would apply to Obama, except, HE WAS BORN IN HAWAII. Where did you get this factual information he was born in Indonesia?
 
sickboy

sickboy

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Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2973438
13 cases still pending all the way up to the Supreme Court.
Hence, there is no ruling, and therefore you have answered your own suspicions....
Also, his mother is from Kansas, so based on what you have posted, you have also answered yourself...
 
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veni vidi vici

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Originally Posted by sickboy
http:///forum/post/2973822
Hence, there is no ruling, and therefore you have answered your own suspicions....
Also, his mother is from Kansas, so based on what you have posted, you have also answered yourself...
No ruling means what? The mother being from Kansans answers what? or addressed Duel Citizenship how?
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/2973871
No ruling means what? The mother being from Kansans answers what? or addressed Duel Citizenship how?
Where are you getting this Dual Citizenship junk? Are you sating Obama has dual, his mother, or both?
 
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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2973611
Man, you have WAY too much time on your hands. So based on this post with all these conditions of citizenship, what are you trying to say? I mean, the item you have 4c, that talks about someone born outside the US after 1952 would apply to Obama, except, HE WAS BORN IN HAWAII. Where did you get this factual information he was born in Indonesia?
Where did i say i know Obamas was born in Indonesia?Show me right now..... .... ... ....Now that we have cleared that misconception of yours up for you.
Im not makein accusations im simply asking questions.If you would take the time and look at the charges being made and the action being sought you would fully understand why there are still case pending. Unanswered questions that Obama could easily clear if he would voluntarily release the documentation instead of fighting in with unbelievably large sums of money.Just makes me wonder??????????
If i showed you a dried up, hard dog turd and told you it was a prehistoric fossil would you believe that too ? Because if so i have a fossil for you,i saw one in my neighbors yard i would be willing to sell you but your going to have to pick it up yourself.
 
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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2973873
Where are you getting this Dual Citizenship junk? Are you sating Obama has dual, his mother, or both?
Apparently you have access to the internet so why dont you just do a search on POTUS Duel Citizenship and do your own research . After you do that bring back what you find and post it and leave it up for discussion.
 
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Here Bionicarm,i think i found away to communicate with you using prehistoric dog turd so you can understand.
A man claims to have a prehistoric dog turd that you want to buy.You go to examine it.You pick it up and to you it feels like a dog turd ,so you proclaim"It feels like a dog turd."
Next you put it up to your nose and smell it and you proclaim"It smells like a dog turd." Finally you put it to your lips and stick your tongue on it and proclaim"It tastes like a dog turd."With all your excitement you proclaim"IT MUST BE A DOG TURD!"
But then a turd expert arrives and says to you "Sir it may look like a dog turd, smell like a dog turd,and taste like a dog turd.But is it a authentic prehistoric dog turd? If you let me examine it I can Carbon Date it and tell you exactly how old it is, I can check the chemical compounds and tell you exactly where its from and then you will know for sure.
The owner of the dog turd in question is telling you "Look sir im telling you its a prehistoric dog turd,im not going to sell it to you if you arent just going to believe me"
What do you do?Are you happy with the taste test and hearsay and buy it, or do you want undeniable proof?
I say until Obama produces undeniable proof all he has shown me so far is just plain old CRAP!
Hope this makes it easier for you to understand.
 
jerthunter

jerthunter

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Originally Posted by moprint
http:///forum/post/2971810
This officer is still following orders and doing his job. You really do need to read the article. Don't assume anything it only makes an ass out u and me.
Step back a moment, who is assuming something? It appears you, as well as skippy assumed I did not read the article. . . So... that would make you a what?
I am finding it difficult to address this thread without becoming too passionate. Due to the fact that I have spent a considerable portion of my adult life putting myself in danger to defend our country, I find the idea that people would glorify treason to be rather... repulsive.
For what its worth... you may want to check out the folllowing UCMJ articles...
88, 89, 98, 133, and 134.
 
moprint

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Show me in the article where it says he is refusing to follow orders. I am sure if he wasn't NBC news would be all over it. I bet he is getting the crap details now from his CO, but what did he expect. I too have served, USMC retired. He just wants to be sure he is following the orders of somebody who the Constitution says can be president.Yeah I've been called an ass before.
 
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Originally Posted by Jerthunter
http:///forum/post/2975766
Step back a moment, who is assuming something? It appears you, as well as skippy assumed I did not read the article. . . So... that would make you a what?
I am finding it difficult to address this thread without becoming too passionate. Due to the fact that I have spent a considerable portion of my adult life putting myself in danger to defend our country, I find the idea that people would glorify treason to be rather... repulsive.
For what its worth... you may want to check out the folllowing UCMJ articles...
88, 89, 98, 133, and 134.
Im guessing im skippy
Im happy for you Captain America.Glad you served.
All the reason more why these soldiers and the people deserve answers to the questions that are being asked.These soldiers put their lives on the line,is providing the proper documentation to much to ask?
 
jerthunter

jerthunter

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Originally Posted by moprint
http:///forum/post/2975851
Show me in the article where it says he is refusing to follow orders. I am sure if he wasn't NBC news would be all over it. I bet he is getting the crap details now from his CO, but what did he expect. I too have served, USMC retired. He just wants to be sure he is following the orders of somebody who the Constitution says can be president.Yeah I've been called an ass before.
"Solider doubt eligibility, defines president's orders".
"A U.S. soldier on active duty in Iraq has called President Obama an "impostor" . . ."
From the Uniform Code of Military Justice
Article 88 Contempt toward Officials
"Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct."
If he had concerns he should have followed his chain of command, and civilian lawyers and the media aren't in his chain of command. Now if you can show me that he followed all the proper channels using his chain of command before going to the media about this I will take back my comments about how he is just trying to get media attention for himself.
 
socal57che

socal57che

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Originally Posted by Jerthunter
http:///forum/post/2976680
Now if you can show me that he followed all the proper channels using his chain of command before going to the media about this I will take back my comments about how he is just trying to get media attention for himself.
With all due respect, living in Leavenworth, Kansas is prolly not where he wants to spend the rest of his life. Is there any reason to believe that he did not follow protocol before going public with his concerns? How long do you present this to your C/O before you try something else. His C/O realizes that poop rolls downhill and wanted nothing to do with this guy's inquiry. That's just a guess, but I know how the chain of command works, too.
 
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Originally Posted by Jerthunter
http:///forum/post/2976680
From the Uniform Code of Military Justice
Article 88 Contempt toward Officials
"Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct."
I think this may be the his intent (court-martial) It the course of his defense the President will have to prove his proof of citizenship and/or answer the question of weather he has dual citizenship.Do you really believe he thought he could just disobey orders with no recourse?
His claim is the President is not qualified to be therefore he cannot follow his orders and uphold his sworn oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United State at the same time.
The two items are in direct conflict with each other.
 
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