Sure you can have health insurance (not sure how you will pay for it).
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phixer
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Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///t/397098/sure-you-can-have-health-insurance-not-sure-how-you-will-pay-for-it/120#post_3539526
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Originally Posted by Phixer http:///t/397098/sure-you-can-have-health-insurance-not-sure-how-you-will-pay-for-it/120#post_3539525
Makes sense, it's been 5 minutes. Where's Aggie?
Probably off spying on people's phone records again.
Although I couldnt disagree more with him, I still respect him and always get a good laugh reading his comments.
Originally Posted by 2Quills http:///t/397098/sure-you-can-have-health-insurance-not-sure-how-you-will-pay-for-it/120#post_3539526
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Originally Posted by Phixer http:///t/397098/sure-you-can-have-health-insurance-not-sure-how-you-will-pay-for-it/120#post_3539525
Makes sense, it's been 5 minutes. Where's Aggie?
Probably off spying on people's phone records again.
Although I couldnt disagree more with him, I still respect him and always get a good laugh reading his comments.
reefraff
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Originally Posted by AggieAlum http:///t/397098/sure-you-can-have-health-insurance-not-sure-how-you-will-pay-for-it/120#post_3539491
What jobs. You mean the one's making poverty wages?
We have laws that punish criminals. Problem is, they find good lawyers to get them off. Zimmerman is a prime example.
I agree completely about dealing with the costs. Problem is, the Republicans are deep in bed with the medical providers and drug makers, they'd never create any laws that would regulate the prices.
No, a couple of million will get to stay home because they'll no longer be tied to a job just so they can have affordable health insurance. How many millions over the age of 65 sit at home getting Medicare on the taxpayer's dime? Phixer has a solution for that problem. Euthanasia. He's in the process of building an Auschwitz-like camp in his backyard.
Better they be productive members of society than CHOOSE to go on welfare.
Those who sat in court and are knowledgeable about the case came to a different opinion on the Zman case than you. Most legal experts predicted he would be found not guilty. Only the race hustlers and the drones who follow them were convinced he was guilty.
People on Medicare paid for the hospitalization part their entire working career and pay monthly for their coverage for routine care every month.
Originally Posted by AggieAlum http:///t/397098/sure-you-can-have-health-insurance-not-sure-how-you-will-pay-for-it/120#post_3539491
What jobs. You mean the one's making poverty wages?
We have laws that punish criminals. Problem is, they find good lawyers to get them off. Zimmerman is a prime example.
I agree completely about dealing with the costs. Problem is, the Republicans are deep in bed with the medical providers and drug makers, they'd never create any laws that would regulate the prices.
No, a couple of million will get to stay home because they'll no longer be tied to a job just so they can have affordable health insurance. How many millions over the age of 65 sit at home getting Medicare on the taxpayer's dime? Phixer has a solution for that problem. Euthanasia. He's in the process of building an Auschwitz-like camp in his backyard.
Better they be productive members of society than CHOOSE to go on welfare.
Those who sat in court and are knowledgeable about the case came to a different opinion on the Zman case than you. Most legal experts predicted he would be found not guilty. Only the race hustlers and the drones who follow them were convinced he was guilty.
People on Medicare paid for the hospitalization part their entire working career and pay monthly for their coverage for routine care every month.
reefraff
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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/397098/sure-you-can-have-health-insurance-not-sure-how-you-will-pay-for-it/120#post_3539520
His firm also saved many companies...Office depot comes to mind. 22% of the companies Bain capital invested in eventually went bankrupt/closed/sold off during the 8 year investment loan period. meaning the rest became viable entities during the bain investment period.
Liar. Romney paid 1.93 million in taxes that year. Read his taxes statements which are now public record. I will even go so far as to tell you he paid almost 14% of his income in taxes.
The Obama family charitable percentages over the years.Previous years before 2002 are all similar to 2002 numbers.
2002 .4% of his income. Income equalled 260,000
2003 1.4% of his income. Income equalled 240,000
2004 1.2% Income was 207,000 dollars
2005 4.7% donations. income was 1.66 million
2006 6.1% Income was 980,000
2007 6.5% charitable donations Income 4.2 million
2008 6.3% charity Income 2.6 million
2009 31% to charity (primarily the nobel peace prize) Income 5.5 million
2010 14% to charity around 1.9 million income
2011 22% to charity 790,000 income
All I can find on Romney
2010 14% to charity 21.7 million income
2011 19.2% to charity 20.9 million income
Anyone who knows what they are talking about knows Romney didn't use his families money to start Bain Capital. In fact he donated his inheritance to BYU, he already made his millions before his father died. Of course Bionic will claim this is a right wing source LOL!
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jul/19/nation/la-na-bain-creation-20120719
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/397098/sure-you-can-have-health-insurance-not-sure-how-you-will-pay-for-it/120#post_3539520
His firm also saved many companies...Office depot comes to mind. 22% of the companies Bain capital invested in eventually went bankrupt/closed/sold off during the 8 year investment loan period. meaning the rest became viable entities during the bain investment period.
Liar. Romney paid 1.93 million in taxes that year. Read his taxes statements which are now public record. I will even go so far as to tell you he paid almost 14% of his income in taxes.
The Obama family charitable percentages over the years.Previous years before 2002 are all similar to 2002 numbers.
2002 .4% of his income. Income equalled 260,000
2003 1.4% of his income. Income equalled 240,000
2004 1.2% Income was 207,000 dollars
2005 4.7% donations. income was 1.66 million
2006 6.1% Income was 980,000
2007 6.5% charitable donations Income 4.2 million
2008 6.3% charity Income 2.6 million
2009 31% to charity (primarily the nobel peace prize) Income 5.5 million
2010 14% to charity around 1.9 million income
2011 22% to charity 790,000 income
All I can find on Romney
2010 14% to charity 21.7 million income
2011 19.2% to charity 20.9 million income
Anyone who knows what they are talking about knows Romney didn't use his families money to start Bain Capital. In fact he donated his inheritance to BYU, he already made his millions before his father died. Of course Bionic will claim this is a right wing source LOL!
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jul/19/nation/la-na-bain-creation-20120719
aggiealum
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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/397098/sure-you-can-have-health-insurance-not-sure-how-you-will-pay-for-it/140#post_3539530
Better they be productive members of society than CHOOSE to go on welfare.
Those who sat in court and are knowledgeable about the case came to a different opinion on the Zman case than you. Most legal experts predicted he would be found not guilty. Only the race hustlers and the drones who follow them were convinced he was guilty.
People on Medicare paid for the hospitalization part their entire working career and pay monthly for their coverage for routine care every month.
Sorry, but those wages are BELOW Welfare rates. So you'd rather someone starve and live out on the street making less than $12K/year on minimum wage.
Please. There were no first-hand witnesses. It was a clear case of "my version and his version". Problem was Martin was DEAD, so he couldn't give his version. Zimmerman is such and outstanding citizen as we know. He's already threatened two other people with a gun since getting away with murder.
I've been down the rabbit hole about your little "People paid for Medicare while working" theory. What is it, 2.5% of your wages goes towards Medicare payments? For a person working 30 years averaging $60,000/year, that equates to around $45K in their Medicare account. One broken hip, one stroke, one heart attack and that money is GONE. As far as supplemental insurance, that's an option for only those that have the money to pay it. You have millions of elderly people who only get around $1200 - $2000/month in SS payments, if that. If they can't take care of themselves physically, they end up in some trashy nursing home that sucks up that money, and the remainder is paid by Medicaid, if they qualify. So there is no money to pay for routine care except the money out of taxpayers pockets.
Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/397098/sure-you-can-have-health-insurance-not-sure-how-you-will-pay-for-it/140#post_3539530
Better they be productive members of society than CHOOSE to go on welfare.
Those who sat in court and are knowledgeable about the case came to a different opinion on the Zman case than you. Most legal experts predicted he would be found not guilty. Only the race hustlers and the drones who follow them were convinced he was guilty.
People on Medicare paid for the hospitalization part their entire working career and pay monthly for their coverage for routine care every month.
Sorry, but those wages are BELOW Welfare rates. So you'd rather someone starve and live out on the street making less than $12K/year on minimum wage.
Please. There were no first-hand witnesses. It was a clear case of "my version and his version". Problem was Martin was DEAD, so he couldn't give his version. Zimmerman is such and outstanding citizen as we know. He's already threatened two other people with a gun since getting away with murder.
I've been down the rabbit hole about your little "People paid for Medicare while working" theory. What is it, 2.5% of your wages goes towards Medicare payments? For a person working 30 years averaging $60,000/year, that equates to around $45K in their Medicare account. One broken hip, one stroke, one heart attack and that money is GONE. As far as supplemental insurance, that's an option for only those that have the money to pay it. You have millions of elderly people who only get around $1200 - $2000/month in SS payments, if that. If they can't take care of themselves physically, they end up in some trashy nursing home that sucks up that money, and the remainder is paid by Medicaid, if they qualify. So there is no money to pay for routine care except the money out of taxpayers pockets.
aggiealum
Member
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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/397098/sure-you-can-have-health-insurance-not-sure-how-you-will-pay-for-it/120#post_3539520
His firm also saved many companies...Office depot comes to mind. 22% of the companies Bain capital invested in eventually went bankrupt/closed/sold off during the 8 year investment loan period. meaning the rest became viable entities during the bain investment period.
Liar. Romney paid 1.93 million in taxes that year. Read his taxes statements which are now public record. I will even go so far as to tell you he paid almost 14% of his income in taxes.
The Obama family charitable percentages over the years.Previous years before 2002 are all similar to 2002 numbers.
2002 .4% of his income. Income equalled 260,000
2003 1.4% of his income. Income equalled 240,000
2004 1.2% Income was 207,000 dollars
2005 4.7% donations. income was 1.66 million
2006 6.1% Income was 980,000
2007 6.5% charitable donations Income 4.2 million
2008 6.3% charity Income 2.6 million
2009 31% to charity (primarily the nobel peace prize) Income 5.5 million
2010 14% to charity around 1.9 million income
2011 22% to charity 790,000 income
All I can find on Romney
2010 14% to charity 21.7 million income
2011 19.2% to charity 20.9 million income
And why did Romney pay all that money to charities? Do you think it's because he wants to be known for his compassion?
Bain Capital destroyed more companies than it saved, all the while Romney and his cronies reaped the benefits.
14% in taxes? I feel honored. My EFT for that year was 16%. Sadly, I didn't claim the same amount of income.
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/397098/sure-you-can-have-health-insurance-not-sure-how-you-will-pay-for-it/120#post_3539520
His firm also saved many companies...Office depot comes to mind. 22% of the companies Bain capital invested in eventually went bankrupt/closed/sold off during the 8 year investment loan period. meaning the rest became viable entities during the bain investment period.
Liar. Romney paid 1.93 million in taxes that year. Read his taxes statements which are now public record. I will even go so far as to tell you he paid almost 14% of his income in taxes.
The Obama family charitable percentages over the years.Previous years before 2002 are all similar to 2002 numbers.
2002 .4% of his income. Income equalled 260,000
2003 1.4% of his income. Income equalled 240,000
2004 1.2% Income was 207,000 dollars
2005 4.7% donations. income was 1.66 million
2006 6.1% Income was 980,000
2007 6.5% charitable donations Income 4.2 million
2008 6.3% charity Income 2.6 million
2009 31% to charity (primarily the nobel peace prize) Income 5.5 million
2010 14% to charity around 1.9 million income
2011 22% to charity 790,000 income
All I can find on Romney
2010 14% to charity 21.7 million income
2011 19.2% to charity 20.9 million income
And why did Romney pay all that money to charities? Do you think it's because he wants to be known for his compassion?
Bain Capital destroyed more companies than it saved, all the while Romney and his cronies reaped the benefits.
14% in taxes? I feel honored. My EFT for that year was 16%. Sadly, I didn't claim the same amount of income.
aggiealum
Member
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Originally Posted by Phixer http:///t/397098/sure-you-can-have-health-insurance-not-sure-how-you-will-pay-for-it/120#post_3539518
Aggie you've been getting beat like a rented mule lately. Dismantling your arguments is like the riding the village bicycle... everyone gets a turn.
Zimmerman wasnt acquitted because he had a better attorney, (same arguement as Simpson) Zimmerman was found to be innocent by a jury of his peers for two reasons:
1) Because he was innocent.
2) There was insufficient evidence to prove anything else.
Had nothing to do with his lawyer, both sides chose their own legal counsel.
Im glad he was acquitted, the man was innocent.
You're glad Zimmerman was innocent because he "culled the herd" of one more "thug". Same can't be said about that moron Dunn whose going to spend the rest of his life in jail for essentially doing the same thing Zimmerman did. Problem with his case? There were actual witnesses who LIVED, a video showing what he did. The ONLY reason Zimmerman got off because there was no conclusive evidence to show whether he was actually attacked first or not. So the moral of that story is, if you want to kill someone in cold blood, just make sure there's no one around or any cameras watching before you do it.
Originally Posted by Phixer http:///t/397098/sure-you-can-have-health-insurance-not-sure-how-you-will-pay-for-it/120#post_3539518
Aggie you've been getting beat like a rented mule lately. Dismantling your arguments is like the riding the village bicycle... everyone gets a turn.
Zimmerman wasnt acquitted because he had a better attorney, (same arguement as Simpson) Zimmerman was found to be innocent by a jury of his peers for two reasons:
1) Because he was innocent.
2) There was insufficient evidence to prove anything else.
Had nothing to do with his lawyer, both sides chose their own legal counsel.
Im glad he was acquitted, the man was innocent.
You're glad Zimmerman was innocent because he "culled the herd" of one more "thug". Same can't be said about that moron Dunn whose going to spend the rest of his life in jail for essentially doing the same thing Zimmerman did. Problem with his case? There were actual witnesses who LIVED, a video showing what he did. The ONLY reason Zimmerman got off because there was no conclusive evidence to show whether he was actually attacked first or not. So the moral of that story is, if you want to kill someone in cold blood, just make sure there's no one around or any cameras watching before you do it.
reefraff
Active Member
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Originally Posted by AggieAlum http:///t/397098/sure-you-can-have-health-insurance-not-sure-how-you-will-pay-for-it/140#post_3539532
Sorry, but those wages are BELOW Welfare rates. So you'd rather someone starve and live out on the street making less than $12K/year on minimum wage.
Please. There were no first-hand witnesses. It was a clear case of "my version and his version". Problem was Martin was DEAD, so he couldn't give his version. Zimmerman is such and outstanding citizen as we know. He's already threatened two other people with a gun since getting away with murder.
I've been down the rabbit hole about your little "People paid for Medicare while working" theory. What is it, 2.5% of your wages goes towards Medicare payments? For a person working 30 years averaging $60,000/year, that equates to around $45K in their Medicare account. One broken hip, one stroke, one heart attack and that money is GONE. As far as supplemental insurance, that's an option for only those that have the money to pay it. You have millions of elderly people who only get around $1200 - $2000/month in SS payments, if that. If they can't take care of themselves physically, they end up in some trashy nursing home that sucks up that money, and the remainder is paid by Medicaid, if they qualify. So there is no money to pay for routine care except the money out of taxpayers pockets.
First off someone working full time earning minimum wage (less than 2% of the workforce) earns 15K a year. You also ignore the fact that someone sitting home on their butt has zero chance of working their way up the wage ladder. Someone working a job still qualifies for food stamps. If they have a kid they qualify for Earned Income and the 1000.00 per child tax credit. Free cell phone, utility assistance, School lunch for the kid(s) section 8 housing etc.
The physical evidence supports the story Zimmerman told the cops not more than a minute after he fired the shot. Do you REALLY think that idiot was smart enough to concoct a story that quick?
I guess you don't know how Medicare works... 2.9% of your pay (3.8 for those earning over 200K now) goes to part A, hospitalization. And in your figures you didn't account for 45 or more years of compound interest on the money being paid into the system. Part B which covers doctors visits and routine care is paid monthly once you retire, should you choose to buy it.
Originally Posted by AggieAlum http:///t/397098/sure-you-can-have-health-insurance-not-sure-how-you-will-pay-for-it/140#post_3539532
Sorry, but those wages are BELOW Welfare rates. So you'd rather someone starve and live out on the street making less than $12K/year on minimum wage.
Please. There were no first-hand witnesses. It was a clear case of "my version and his version". Problem was Martin was DEAD, so he couldn't give his version. Zimmerman is such and outstanding citizen as we know. He's already threatened two other people with a gun since getting away with murder.
I've been down the rabbit hole about your little "People paid for Medicare while working" theory. What is it, 2.5% of your wages goes towards Medicare payments? For a person working 30 years averaging $60,000/year, that equates to around $45K in their Medicare account. One broken hip, one stroke, one heart attack and that money is GONE. As far as supplemental insurance, that's an option for only those that have the money to pay it. You have millions of elderly people who only get around $1200 - $2000/month in SS payments, if that. If they can't take care of themselves physically, they end up in some trashy nursing home that sucks up that money, and the remainder is paid by Medicaid, if they qualify. So there is no money to pay for routine care except the money out of taxpayers pockets.
First off someone working full time earning minimum wage (less than 2% of the workforce) earns 15K a year. You also ignore the fact that someone sitting home on their butt has zero chance of working their way up the wage ladder. Someone working a job still qualifies for food stamps. If they have a kid they qualify for Earned Income and the 1000.00 per child tax credit. Free cell phone, utility assistance, School lunch for the kid(s) section 8 housing etc.
The physical evidence supports the story Zimmerman told the cops not more than a minute after he fired the shot. Do you REALLY think that idiot was smart enough to concoct a story that quick?
I guess you don't know how Medicare works... 2.9% of your pay (3.8 for those earning over 200K now) goes to part A, hospitalization. And in your figures you didn't account for 45 or more years of compound interest on the money being paid into the system. Part B which covers doctors visits and routine care is paid monthly once you retire, should you choose to buy it.
reefraff
Active Member
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Originally Posted by AggieAlum http:///t/397098/sure-you-can-have-health-insurance-not-sure-how-you-will-pay-for-it/140#post_3539534
You're glad Zimmerman was innocent because he "culled the herd" of one more "thug". Same can't be said about that moron Dunn whose going to spend the rest of his life in jail for essentially doing the same thing Zimmerman did. Problem with his case? There were actual witnesses who LIVED, a video showing what he did. The ONLY reason Zimmerman got off because there was no conclusive evidence to show whether he was actually attacked first or not. So the moral of that story is, if you want to kill someone in cold blood, just make sure there's no one around or any cameras watching before you do it.
LOL! Doing the same thing? The dude opened fire on a car with multiple shots and he was never touched and cannot show where he was even threatened. He took off without ever calling the cops. Zimmerman was going to meet the police when Martin confronted him and had wounds that showed he'd been hit numerous times and only fired a single shot at point blank range.
Originally Posted by AggieAlum http:///t/397098/sure-you-can-have-health-insurance-not-sure-how-you-will-pay-for-it/140#post_3539534
You're glad Zimmerman was innocent because he "culled the herd" of one more "thug". Same can't be said about that moron Dunn whose going to spend the rest of his life in jail for essentially doing the same thing Zimmerman did. Problem with his case? There were actual witnesses who LIVED, a video showing what he did. The ONLY reason Zimmerman got off because there was no conclusive evidence to show whether he was actually attacked first or not. So the moral of that story is, if you want to kill someone in cold blood, just make sure there's no one around or any cameras watching before you do it.
LOL! Doing the same thing? The dude opened fire on a car with multiple shots and he was never touched and cannot show where he was even threatened. He took off without ever calling the cops. Zimmerman was going to meet the police when Martin confronted him and had wounds that showed he'd been hit numerous times and only fired a single shot at point blank range.
2quills
Well-Known Member
Texas's income numbers aren't quite accurate. Its evident from the sheer amount of under the table work and un reported income going on down here. Cant tell you how many people I've met collecting food stamps and working for cash.
If I walked up to the average family here and handed them an extra $500 a month to spend on healthcare or whatever else they choose. 9 times out of 10 they'd almost certainly choose to spend it on something else. People here have a hard enough time keeping up with their home or auto insurance. Not because they can't afford it but because they don't want to have to pay for it.
If I walked up to the average family here and handed them an extra $500 a month to spend on healthcare or whatever else they choose. 9 times out of 10 they'd almost certainly choose to spend it on something else. People here have a hard enough time keeping up with their home or auto insurance. Not because they can't afford it but because they don't want to have to pay for it.
beaslbob
Well-Known Member
Quote:Originally Posted by AggieAlum http:///t/397098/sure-you-can-have-health-insurance-not-sure-how-you-will-pay-for-it/140#post_3539532
Sorry, but those wages are BELOW Welfare rates.
....
.
Pssst:
The dirty little secret no liberal, socialist,communist, fascist will tell you is that regardless of all the wealth redistribution welfare programs,
There will always be 18% of the wages that are below poverty.
By definition.
(Poverty is defined as those who make less the 18% of the population or 20% or whatever level you prefer)
So what happens the federal government seizes more success gives it to those less successful and there is still 18% below the poverty level.
So the government had to take more for the 18%
Then then more for that 18%
etc etc etc etc etc.
Meanwhile every dollar seized is less dollars to buy houses, land, businesses, cars, appliances, etc, etc, etc.
So more and more people are without jobs.
Hence the current unemployment and stagent economy.
The only solution is to just stop all that and let "poverty" be handled by private charity, churches, and people helping each other.
So the "poor" will still be taken care of plus more of them (and everyone else) are working to produce products people want to buy.
Sorry, but those wages are BELOW Welfare rates.
....
.
Pssst:
The dirty little secret no liberal, socialist,communist, fascist will tell you is that regardless of all the wealth redistribution welfare programs,
There will always be 18% of the wages that are below poverty.
By definition.
(Poverty is defined as those who make less the 18% of the population or 20% or whatever level you prefer)
So what happens the federal government seizes more success gives it to those less successful and there is still 18% below the poverty level.
So the government had to take more for the 18%
Then then more for that 18%
etc etc etc etc etc.
Meanwhile every dollar seized is less dollars to buy houses, land, businesses, cars, appliances, etc, etc, etc.
So more and more people are without jobs.
Hence the current unemployment and stagent economy.
The only solution is to just stop all that and let "poverty" be handled by private charity, churches, and people helping each other.
So the "poor" will still be taken care of plus more of them (and everyone else) are working to produce products people want to buy.
darthtang aw
Active Member
Stop!
The conversation is steering in a manner of pure opinion. Romney and Zimmerman hold no bearing on the Legislation that is ACA.
It is Bionics way of steering the conversation away from a position he can not defend with numbers or facts. It is typical tactics. If you can't rebuttal the topic, change the tactic.
I never gave an opinion on Romney. Just the CORRECT numbers Bionic was way off on and using to support his opinion in an inflammatory way.
I will await the continued ACA discussion.
The conversation is steering in a manner of pure opinion. Romney and Zimmerman hold no bearing on the Legislation that is ACA.
It is Bionics way of steering the conversation away from a position he can not defend with numbers or facts. It is typical tactics. If you can't rebuttal the topic, change the tactic.
I never gave an opinion on Romney. Just the CORRECT numbers Bionic was way off on and using to support his opinion in an inflammatory way.
I will await the continued ACA discussion.
beaslbob
Well-Known Member
Quote:Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/397098/sure-you-can-have-health-insurance-not-sure-how-you-will-pay-for-it/140#post_3539543
Stop!
The conversation is steering in a manner of pure opinion. Romney and Zimmerman hold no bearing on the Legislation that is ACA.
It is Bionics way of steering the conversation away from a position he can not defend with numbers or facts. It is typical tactics. If you can't rebuttal the topic, change the tactic.
I never gave an opinion on Romney. Just the CORRECT numbers Bionic was way off on and using to support his opinion in an inflammatory way.
I will await the continued ACA discussion.
FWIW hopefully you consider my comments of poverty to be relevant to the ACA. After all it is a wealth redistribution system. Only change 18% poverty rate to 18% have bad health insurance.
Stop!
The conversation is steering in a manner of pure opinion. Romney and Zimmerman hold no bearing on the Legislation that is ACA.
It is Bionics way of steering the conversation away from a position he can not defend with numbers or facts. It is typical tactics. If you can't rebuttal the topic, change the tactic.
I never gave an opinion on Romney. Just the CORRECT numbers Bionic was way off on and using to support his opinion in an inflammatory way.
I will await the continued ACA discussion.
FWIW hopefully you consider my comments of poverty to be relevant to the ACA. After all it is a wealth redistribution system. Only change 18% poverty rate to 18% have bad health insurance.
darthtang aw
Active Member
Quote:Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/397098/sure-you-can-have-health-insurance-not-sure-how-you-will-pay-for-it/140#post_3539543
Stop!
The conversation is steering in a manner of pure opinion. Romney and Zimmerman hold no bearing on the Legislation that is ACA.
It is Bionics way of steering the conversation away from a position he can not defend with numbers or facts. It is typical tactics. If you can't rebuttal the topic, change the tactic.
I never gave an opinion on Romney. Just the CORRECT numbers Bionic was way off on and using to support his opinion in an inflammatory way.
I will await the continued ACA discussion.
FWIW hopefully you consider my comments of poverty to be relevant to the ACA. After all it is a wealth redistribution system. Only change 18% poverty rate to 18% have bad health insurance.
Yes, you posted while I was typing. Just trying to clear out the topics muddying the water from the true issue at hand.
As I have pointed out. ACA is cost shifting, not cost reduction...so your comment has validity towards the discussion.
Stop!
The conversation is steering in a manner of pure opinion. Romney and Zimmerman hold no bearing on the Legislation that is ACA.
It is Bionics way of steering the conversation away from a position he can not defend with numbers or facts. It is typical tactics. If you can't rebuttal the topic, change the tactic.
I never gave an opinion on Romney. Just the CORRECT numbers Bionic was way off on and using to support his opinion in an inflammatory way.
I will await the continued ACA discussion.
FWIW hopefully you consider my comments of poverty to be relevant to the ACA. After all it is a wealth redistribution system. Only change 18% poverty rate to 18% have bad health insurance.
Yes, you posted while I was typing. Just trying to clear out the topics muddying the water from the true issue at hand.
As I have pointed out. ACA is cost shifting, not cost reduction...so your comment has validity towards the discussion.
reefraff
Active Member
Wait until fall when the new exchange premium rates come out and we get an idea of how much this will add to medicaid spending. 0bama could have a lousy last two years in office if this thing goes into the death spiral and Medicaid spending spikes like I think its going to.
aggiealum
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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/397098/sure-you-can-have-health-insurance-not-sure-how-you-will-pay-for-it/140#post_3539535
First off someone working full time earning minimum wage (less than 2% of the workforce) earns 15K a year. You also ignore the fact that someone sitting home on their butt has zero chance of working their way up the wage ladder. Someone working a job still qualifies for food stamps. If they have a kid they qualify for Earned Income and the 1000.00 per child tax credit. Free cell phone, utility assistance, School lunch for the kid(s) section 8 housing etc.
The physical evidence supports the story Zimmerman told the cops not more than a minute after he fired the shot. Do you REALLY think that idiot was smart enough to concoct a story that quick?
I guess you don't know how Medicare works... 2.9% of your pay (3.8 for those earning over 200K now) goes to part A, hospitalization. And in your figures you didn't account for 45 or more years of compound interest on the money being paid into the system. Part B which covers doctors visits and routine care is paid monthly once you retire, should you choose to buy it.
Excuse me. $3K makes such a HUGE difference in today's economy.
Working their way up the ladder? What, from fry cooker to running the cashier?
Go look at your Medicare account and see how much is in it. Who cares how much compound interest is being paid into the system? That doesn't go into your personal account. Medicare is one of the largest and most bloated federal programs we have. The main reason it's costs have exploded over the last couple of decades is because people are living longer. You have people on that program going on 15 years, spending more than $20K/year in healthcare costs. There's absolutely no way they have put in more than they're taking out. As far as Part B, like I said, half the elderly population rely on their only source of income, which is SS. The majority of them are living in nursing homes, and their entire check goes to pay for staying there. So there's no money to pay for Part B.
The Zimmerman crap has been beat to death. You'll never convince his supporters he did anything wrong. Bottom line, he stereotyped some Black kid walking down the street minding his own business, and because he was "packin'", he thought he could intimidate the kid and confront him when he should have stayed in his car and waited for the cops to show up if he really had evidence the kid was up to no good. If he wouldn't had a gun on him I guarantee you he would've never gotten out of the car. What no one knows, and will never know, is who threw the first punch, or what was said to cause Martin to stand his ground to protect himself from some stranger confronting him in the night. Let me ask you - If you were walking down your neighborhood sidewalk minding your own business, you're unarmed, and some guy walks up behind you saying "Hey, what are you doing?", what would you have done? When you faced the guy, and you saw he was caring a firearm, but he hadn't pulled it out yet, would you turn and run, hoping he didn't shoot you in the back, or would you stand your ground, and if the opportunity arose, nail the guy with a punch and hopefully put him down so you could disarm him?
Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/397098/sure-you-can-have-health-insurance-not-sure-how-you-will-pay-for-it/140#post_3539535
First off someone working full time earning minimum wage (less than 2% of the workforce) earns 15K a year. You also ignore the fact that someone sitting home on their butt has zero chance of working their way up the wage ladder. Someone working a job still qualifies for food stamps. If they have a kid they qualify for Earned Income and the 1000.00 per child tax credit. Free cell phone, utility assistance, School lunch for the kid(s) section 8 housing etc.
The physical evidence supports the story Zimmerman told the cops not more than a minute after he fired the shot. Do you REALLY think that idiot was smart enough to concoct a story that quick?
I guess you don't know how Medicare works... 2.9% of your pay (3.8 for those earning over 200K now) goes to part A, hospitalization. And in your figures you didn't account for 45 or more years of compound interest on the money being paid into the system. Part B which covers doctors visits and routine care is paid monthly once you retire, should you choose to buy it.
Excuse me. $3K makes such a HUGE difference in today's economy.
Go look at your Medicare account and see how much is in it. Who cares how much compound interest is being paid into the system? That doesn't go into your personal account. Medicare is one of the largest and most bloated federal programs we have. The main reason it's costs have exploded over the last couple of decades is because people are living longer. You have people on that program going on 15 years, spending more than $20K/year in healthcare costs. There's absolutely no way they have put in more than they're taking out. As far as Part B, like I said, half the elderly population rely on their only source of income, which is SS. The majority of them are living in nursing homes, and their entire check goes to pay for staying there. So there's no money to pay for Part B.
The Zimmerman crap has been beat to death. You'll never convince his supporters he did anything wrong. Bottom line, he stereotyped some Black kid walking down the street minding his own business, and because he was "packin'", he thought he could intimidate the kid and confront him when he should have stayed in his car and waited for the cops to show up if he really had evidence the kid was up to no good. If he wouldn't had a gun on him I guarantee you he would've never gotten out of the car. What no one knows, and will never know, is who threw the first punch, or what was said to cause Martin to stand his ground to protect himself from some stranger confronting him in the night. Let me ask you - If you were walking down your neighborhood sidewalk minding your own business, you're unarmed, and some guy walks up behind you saying "Hey, what are you doing?", what would you have done? When you faced the guy, and you saw he was caring a firearm, but he hadn't pulled it out yet, would you turn and run, hoping he didn't shoot you in the back, or would you stand your ground, and if the opportunity arose, nail the guy with a punch and hopefully put him down so you could disarm him?
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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/397098/sure-you-can-have-health-insurance-not-sure-how-you-will-pay-for-it/140#post_3539536
LOL! Doing the same thing? The dude opened fire on a car with multiple shots and he was never touched and cannot show where he was even threatened. He took off without ever calling the cops. Zimmerman was going to meet the police when Martin confronted him and had wounds that showed he'd been hit numerous times and only fired a single shot at point blank range.
Where do you get Zimmerman was going to meet the cops? Yet some other cooked up storyline Zimmerman made up with no one to validate his alibi?
Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/397098/sure-you-can-have-health-insurance-not-sure-how-you-will-pay-for-it/140#post_3539536
LOL! Doing the same thing? The dude opened fire on a car with multiple shots and he was never touched and cannot show where he was even threatened. He took off without ever calling the cops. Zimmerman was going to meet the police when Martin confronted him and had wounds that showed he'd been hit numerous times and only fired a single shot at point blank range.
Where do you get Zimmerman was going to meet the cops? Yet some other cooked up storyline Zimmerman made up with no one to validate his alibi?
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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/397098/sure-you-can-have-health-insurance-not-sure-how-you-will-pay-for-it/140#post_3539543
Stop!
The conversation is steering in a manner of pure opinion. Romney and Zimmerman hold no bearing on the Legislation that is ACA.
It is Bionics way of steering the conversation away from a position he can not defend with numbers or facts. It is typical tactics. If you can't rebuttal the topic, change the tactic.
I never gave an opinion on Romney. Just the CORRECT numbers Bionic was way off on and using to support his opinion in an inflammatory way.
I will await the continued ACA discussion.
I see you deflecting again when your numbers are skewed. Try to intimidate by accusing me of being the Bionic person again? Typical.
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/397098/sure-you-can-have-health-insurance-not-sure-how-you-will-pay-for-it/140#post_3539543
Stop!
The conversation is steering in a manner of pure opinion. Romney and Zimmerman hold no bearing on the Legislation that is ACA.
It is Bionics way of steering the conversation away from a position he can not defend with numbers or facts. It is typical tactics. If you can't rebuttal the topic, change the tactic.
I never gave an opinion on Romney. Just the CORRECT numbers Bionic was way off on and using to support his opinion in an inflammatory way.
I will await the continued ACA discussion.
I see you deflecting again when your numbers are skewed. Try to intimidate by accusing me of being the Bionic person again? Typical.
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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/397098/sure-you-can-have-health-insurance-not-sure-how-you-will-pay-for-it/140#post_3539547
Wait until fall when the new exchange premium rates come out and we get an idea of how much this will add to medicaid spending. 0bama could have a lousy last two years in office if this thing goes into the death spiral and Medicaid spending spikes like I think its going to.
Medicare rates have declined, specifically costs for Plan B since the implementation of ACA. More Fox News talking points.
Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/397098/sure-you-can-have-health-insurance-not-sure-how-you-will-pay-for-it/140#post_3539547
Wait until fall when the new exchange premium rates come out and we get an idea of how much this will add to medicaid spending. 0bama could have a lousy last two years in office if this thing goes into the death spiral and Medicaid spending spikes like I think its going to.
Medicare rates have declined, specifically costs for Plan B since the implementation of ACA. More Fox News talking points.
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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/397098/sure-you-can-have-health-insurance-not-sure-how-you-will-pay-for-it/140#post_3539546
Yes, you posted while I was typing. Just trying to clear out the topics muddying the water from the true issue at hand.
As I have pointed out. ACA is cost shifting, not cost reduction...so your comment has validity towards the discussion.
And that ridiculous Republican alternative isn't "cost shifting instead of cost reduction"?
Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/397098/sure-you-can-have-health-insurance-not-sure-how-you-will-pay-for-it/140#post_3539546
Yes, you posted while I was typing. Just trying to clear out the topics muddying the water from the true issue at hand.
As I have pointed out. ACA is cost shifting, not cost reduction...so your comment has validity towards the discussion.
And that ridiculous Republican alternative isn't "cost shifting instead of cost reduction"?