Tax cuts for the rich?

[oscardeuce]

Originally Posted by H3B
http:///forum/post/3103443
Then again, perhaps i don't understand the concept.
Like was stated, the percentage is flat. None of this regressive, class warfare stuff we have now.
I guess according to our VP, the poor aren't as Patriotic.

 

[oscardeuce]

Originally Posted by zman1
http:///forum/post/3103424
This is old news but is it really...
"In 1997, Congress tightened the licensing rules for foreign doctors entering the country because of concerns by the American Medical Association and other doctors' organizations that the inflow of foreign doctors was driving down their salaries. As a result, the number of foreign medical residents allowed to enter the country each year was cut in half.
... If free trade in physicians brought doctors' salaries down to European levels, the savings would be close to $100,000 per doctor, approximately $80 billion a year. This is 10 times as large as standard estimates of the gains from NAFTA."
FREE TRADE is not only to drive down wages of the middle and lower class, but should include all. Let all compete for their wages against the new world market... One way to reduce cost!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (shareholder value LOL) It's okay. It works for all other industries, correct? Unfortunately, we are still in the "The Conservative Nanny State"....
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/capital-...r-lawyers.html

Comrade Stalin,
You want "quantity" or "quality"?
BTW I'm 40 and still paying off student loans.

 

[zman1]

Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/3103692
Comrade Stalin,
You want "quantity" or "quality"?
BTW I'm 40 and still paying off student loans.
I don't blame you for not wanting to open your field to competition. The term protectionism seems to be only the other persons position worried about foreign competition, but not mine, I have student loans.... We have heard the same communist(socialist) rhetoric about healthcare insurance for workers and Reagan pitching for the AMA against Medicare...
We heard the "quality" rhetoric in the past from the Steel Industry, Auto Industry, and many other manufacturing industries. We see Cheap Doctrine proved that wrong. Communist(socialist) China is one of our largest trading partners!!!
The only argument is what, Communist(socialist) and Quality? Aren't these the standard lines of protectionism. That evil word protectionism that has proven to be a failing ideology, that I hear so often from supporters of free trade.
BTW - I was just originally responding to the Supply and Demand issue of this line "You got another 20,000 primary care physicians hiden away?."

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by zman1
http:///forum/post/3103701
I don't blame you for not wanting to open your field to competition. The term protectionism seems to be only the other persons position worried about foreign competition, but not mine, I have student loans.... We have heard the same communist(socialist) rhetoric about healthcare insurance for workers and Reagan pitching for the AMA against Medicare...
We heard the "quality" rhetoric in the past from the Steel Industry, Auto Industry, and many other manufacturing industries. We see Cheap Doctrine proved that wrong. Communist(socialist) China is one of our largest trading partners!!!
The only argument is what, Communist(socialist) and Quality? Aren't these the standard lines of protectionism. That evil word protectionism that has proven to be a failing ideology, that I hear so often from supporters of free trade.
BTW - I was just originally responding to the Supply and Demand issue of this line "You got another 20,000 primary care physicians hiden away?."
Are you blaming the steel and auto industry woes on free trade or capitalism? Both are in the state they are in this country because of unions, nothing else.

 

[oscardeuce]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3103705
Are you blaming the steel and auto industry woes on free trade or capitalism? Both are in the state they are in this country because of unions, nothing else.
Some union auto workers make more per hour with benefits/retirement/pay than primary care physicians.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/3103735
Some union auto workers make more per hour with benefits/retirement/pay than primary care physicians.
Some of the horror stories about what they can get away with on the job before getting fired is ridiculous too. The companies deserve to go broke for being stupid enough to sign those contracts to begin with.

 

[zman1]

Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/3103735
Some union auto workers make more per hour with benefits/retirement/pay than primary care physicians.

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3103789
The companies deserve to go broke for being stupid enough to sign those contracts to begin with.
Is this the union or CEO or BOTH
Guys' we need business to stop carrying the burden of company healthcare so we can compete on a level playing field with the world market.
or lets stop: Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security and Disability. God only knows the drain on society that the old, disabled and poor cause - survival of the fittest, not always the smartest.

 

[oscardeuce]

Originally Posted by zman1
http:///forum/post/3104226
Is this the union or CEO or BOTH
Guys' we need business to stop caring the burden of company healthcare so we can compete on a level playing field with the world market.
or lets stop: Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security and Disability. God only knows the drain on society that the old, disabled and poor cause - survival of the fittest, not always the smartest.
Like our President said, sometimes a pain pill for the elderly is the best option.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by zman1
http:///forum/post/3104226
Is this the union or CEO or BOTH
Guys' we need business to stop carrying the burden of company healthcare so we can compete on a level playing field with the world market.
or lets stop: Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security and Disability. God only knows the drain on society that the old, disabled and poor cause - survival of the fittest, not always the smartest.
Medicaid, Medicare and Social Security are all failed systems and should be scraped. Not sure what to do to replace them at this point but it's obvious the government can't be trusted to run them.
Had the government not given the UAW exclusive rights to organize the auto industry the Union may not have been able to back the companies into the corner they were in when they signed. Not sure about the steel industry.

 

[mantisman51]

BTW Oscar, What I have spent on tanks in the last 5 years would be less than 4% of the cost of surgery. Appx $1000 versus $25k-$30k. As I mentioned, it is one of the few activities that keeps me mobile and active. And, my doctor advised to maintain a hobby for mobility sake. You are appearing to be the stereotype of the hateful right-winger. I'm sure that's not your intent, but it is unseemly. And the attitude reminds me why I no longer vote Republican, except for our county sherriff. Larry Dever is a good guy.

 

[zman1]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3104358
Medicaid, Medicare and Social Security are all failed systems and should be scraped. Not sure what to do to replace them at this point but it's obvious the government can't be trusted to run them. .
That position throws a lot of people under the bus, SS covers disability too.

 

[uneverno]

Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/3104248
Like our President said, sometimes a pain pill for the elderly is the best option.

Thanks Oscar.
Failing that, could I at least have a legal and dignified suicide?

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by zman1
http:///forum/post/3104401
That position throws a lot of people under the bus, SS covers disability too.
Trust me, I know. I am disabled. I don't think you have to throw anyone under the bus. Need to revisit the means testing the Republicans got nailed for back in the 90's. I'd be willing to give up a couple hundred a month as long as there is a sliding scale as you go up in assets. I am by no means rich but the wife makes better than 50K. Why should I get more than someone who was the sole source of income and went down? The Democraps just slaughtered the Republicans over that. They also killed Bush over his SS plan. For all the talk now about Republicans just blocking health care reform now without offering a plan of their own, which they have, it was just a few short years ago Butthead Harry was bragging about killing social security reform without offering any kind of alternate plan to save the system.
Thing is that all those programs show that large centralized government is very inefficient at providing services for the most part. Just the medicare fraud alone is staggering.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by mantisman51
http:///forum/post/3104374
BTW Oscar, What I have spent on tanks in the last 5 years would be less than 4% of the cost of surgery. Appx $1000 versus $25k-$30k. As I mentioned, it is one of the few activities that keeps me mobile and active. And, my doctor advised to maintain a hobby for mobility sake. You are appearing to be the stereotype of the hateful right-winger. I'm sure that's not your intent, but it is unseemly. And the attitude reminds me why I no longer vote Republican, except for our county sherriff. Larry Dever is a good guy.

If you want to talk about hateful read some of the leftist trash out there. They make the compound living, camouflage wearing, survivalist right wingers seem kinda reasonable.

 

[geridoc]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3104555
Thing is that all those programs show that large centralized government is very inefficient at providing services for the most part. Just the medicare fraud alone is staggering.
Yet, despite the "staggering" fraud, Medicare manages to deliver medical care for less than the insurance companies that are, theoretically, competing with each other by keeping their prices down.

 

[oscardeuce]

Originally Posted by GeriDoc
http:///forum/post/3104614
Yet, despite the "staggering" fraud, Medicare manages to deliver medical care for less than the insurance companies that are, theoretically, competing with each other by keeping their prices down.
I'd like to see some data to back that up.
Medicaid is even worse. Parents asking for an Rx for tylenol. If they get the Rx "the card" pays for tylenol. They ask this while they have fancy cell phones, cigarettes, and long fancy painted nails. God forbid THEY give up anything to get their children treatment.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by GeriDoc
http:///forum/post/3104614
Yet, despite the "staggering" fraud, Medicare manages to deliver medical care for less than the insurance companies that are, theoretically, competing with each other by keeping their prices down.
Try to find a doc that will accept traditional medicare. And if the system is so great why is it going broke? The only reason my current doc took me in is I have a seperate workmans comp claim and I use a medicare advantage program which the government has to pay additional fees to. It's really kinda of stupid. We pay for medicare to administer a health care program which in turn pays a private company which does the exact same thing.

 

[geridoc]

Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3104785
Try to find a doc that will accept traditional medicare. And if the system is so great why is it going broke? The only reason my current doc took me in is I have a seperate workmans comp claim and I use a medicare advantage program which the government has to pay additional fees to. It's really kinda of stupid. We pay for medicare to administer a health care program which in turn pays a private company which does the exact same thing.
You answered your own question - Medicare Advantage programs are very expensive for the government, which has to subsidize them. By law, the government pays the insurers 12% more than it costs Medicare itself to provide coverage. That's why the program is going broke.
In this area (New York) most physicians accept Medicare with no problem, as do the hospitals.

 

[geridoc]

Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/3104618
I'd like to see some data to back that up.
Medicaid is even worse. Parents asking for an Rx for tylenol. If they get the Rx "the card" pays for tylenol. They ask this while they have fancy cell phones, cigarettes, and long fancy painted nails. God forbid THEY give up anything to get their children treatment.
To be exact, it costs the government 12% less to insure a patient under Medicare than it costs insurers - by law.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by GeriDoc
http:///forum/post/3104792
You answered your own question - Medicare Advantage programs are very expensive for the government, which has to subsidize them. By law, the government pays the insurers 12% more than it costs Medicare itself to provide coverage. That's why the program is going broke.
In this area (New York) most physicians accept Medicare with no problem, as do the hospitals.
The system was going broke long before medicare advantage plans were created. I had 3 or 4 turndowns before I found a doc here in the Denver area and they made an exception because of the Workers comp deal.