Tax cuts for the rich?

[ironeagle2006]

Because those CEO's are not paying as much in INCOME and OTHER TAXES also. Here in my town there are 98 Union people that got RED TAGGED AND FIRED FROM JOBS THAT PAYED THEM 20 BUCKS AN HOUR building sewer cleaners for cities that can no longer afford to order them now. Now the local fastfood joints are laying off workers and so forth and so on.

 

[renogaw]

and congress is going to limit the bonuses for not only places that took TARP money, but other businesses as well?
where the heck is the ACLU?? how is limiting income even legal?? persuit of happiness being denied by limiting income...
i don't usually get riled up about politics, but this darn administration and the darn democrats, and those darn republicans who won't have a friggin backbone to fight the democrats even though they don't have the numbers.... all these people need to be forced to work and pay taxes in real jobs and be worried that they may not be able to afford to have a second child.. GAH!!!

 

[mantisman51]

Ah, the old classic, "Why should I". I am working and NOT costing taxpayers a penny, though I have qualified for disability for quite some time. Nowhere have I asked for a penny of yours (or anybody's) taxes. When lacking a coherent argument, try to attack someone's character. Since what you said, renogaw, has nothing to do with me, I don't take it personally. But, since I am a productive taxpayer, I ask: Is it better to have working taxpayers given a chance to obtain affordable healthcare or give up and collect the Social Security Disabilityand Medicaid they have paid into and be a burden to all? That is the crux of the issue. As I mentioned before, I am not in favor of a socialist healthcare system, but there has got to be a way to open the door for those currently locked out. It is my FIRM belief in self-reliance that keeps me going to work each day. Right now the insurance industry is freezing many of us out of the system. I would love to be able to have access to healthcare that would keep me productive and paying taxes.

 

[renogaw]

mantis, you have a preexisting circumstance which no insurance company is going to help out with. i feel for you, seriously i do, have you tried working out a deal with the dr/hospital? they are not supposed to refuse patients due to no health coverage.

 

[mantisman51]

They only have to give access to life-saving medical care. I have to be able to come up with several thousand $ first. Disc replacement is $25k-$30k. I have to have 50% at the outset of exams and pre-op and have the rest before discharge. For lumbar facet injection, I have to come up with $2k-$5k to start the first injection and have the full $15k by the end of the treatment in the third month. The #1 problem is where I live. The folks from Mexico come over here and get treatment, but go back to Mexico and never pay their bills, so it makes it really tough to get any work done without cash-in-hand. This is why I am torn on the subject of government healthcare. I know I would benefit, but I don't want to take other folks money. But try to live in constant pain for a while (5 years now for me) and it's no longer a theoretical discussion.

 

[mantisman51]

p.s. Tax cuts for the rich are a good idea. It stimulates the economy far more than a government program. But, since so many of the wealthy have used govt aid to save their corporations, it really makes it hard to be opposed to taxing them more.

 

[reefraff]

What percentage of corporations got bailed out? Better than 99% of corporations didn't get bailed out nor have they been convicted of breaking any laws. Our elected officials should have as good a track record.

 

[mantisman51]

Actually Reef, a ton of the largest did. Caterpillar and PACCAR are two surprising beneficiaries. As soon as Bush announced the bailout of banking firms, the large corporations jumped into the banking business to qualify. According to the company I work for (don't leave home without us) there are over a thousand companies that have recieved TARP money. My company bought a small bank and refiled corporate papers as a bank just to get qualified.

 

[renogaw]

The Hartford did that as well...

 

[tangman99]

That's what's wrong with society these days. Come up with something that is meant to help (regardless if it does or not but intends) and greedy people come up ways to exploit it that don't need it where many that could benefit won't even apply due to not wanting to take help.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by TangMan99
http:///forum/post/3102032
That's what's wrong with society these days. Come up with something that is meant to help (regardless if it does or not but intends) and greedy people come up ways to exploit it that don't need it where many that could benefit won't even apply due to not wanting to take help.
What gets me is the government was too stupid to figure out how to keep companies from gaming the system. And you want these folks in charge of health care

 

[oscardeuce]

Originally Posted by mantisman51
http:///forum/post/3101363
Ahem, Oscar, I have no healthcare, other than what I can afford to pay cash for. Which is why I haven't had surgery on a disc that has fallen apart and is putting pressure on my spine. Do you really not know that many of us don't chose not to have healthcare-we can't afford it or, like me, are turned down for coverage?
What other choices have you made, a fish tank over surgery?
" I have no health care" is a lie. The gov't mandates healthcare at least through the ED's of the country. We HAVE to see everyone. Look up EMTALA. The gov't mandates this yet does not fund it. It still costs me about $30/ patient for malpractice insurance.
I just love the class warfare in which Obama and his ilk take part. Hilter, Marx and lenin would be proud.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/3102304
What other choices have you made, a fish tank over surgery?
" I have no health care" is a lie. The gov't mandates healthcare at least through the ED's of the country. We HAVE to see everyone. Look up EMTALA. The gov't mandates this yet does not fund it. It still costs me about $30/ patient for malpractice insurance.
I just love the class warfare in which Obama and his ilk take part. Hilter, Marx and lenin would be proud.
Well yes and no Oscar. Try to get corrective surgery with no insurance. Good luck there. If you can qualify for medicaid maybe. On the other hand group policies do have to cover preexistings after a year waiting period.
Mantis, Are the problems with the back enough to file for disability? Once that happens you can get it fixed under medicare

 

[geridoc]

Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/3102304
What other choices have you made, a fish tank over surgery?
" I have no health care" is a lie. The gov't mandates healthcare at least through the ED's of the country. We HAVE to see everyone. Look up EMTALA. The gov't mandates this yet does not fund it. It still costs me about $30/ patient for malpractice insurance.
I just love the class warfare in which Obama and his ilk take part. Hilter, Marx and lenin would be proud.
I assume, then, that you are in favor of universal health care coverage so that every patient you see in the ED would be a paying customer who was there for a true emergency, having gotten routine care at their physician's office. [/IRONY]

 

[mantisman51]

Yes, I qualify for disability, but have resisted for 2 reasons. 1) I have fought severe depression since the injury. I cannot do 90% of what i used to. Working has at least made me feel less "useless". I am not a weak-minded person, but it is hard sometimes not to let it get to me. 2) I did meet with a SS rep and was told I qualify. There is a 2 year waiting period for disability benefits and another 6 months after that for Medicaid-due to my age:41. Oscar, that only covers emergencies. If it is a chronic condition, that is not life-threatening, they can (and have) say, "Show me the money!". Like I said, I don't want anybodies tax money. That is why I still work. I have found an office job that pays about half what I made as a truck driver and mechanic, but I can look myself in the mirror. I am not contending with anyone over this govt healthcare. I am only saying that it isn't the neat and clean issue that some folks think it is. Silly as it may sound, it is the time I spend on my tanks that keeps me sane. It's great therapy.

 

[reefraff]

Ya gotta do what you gotta do. If you have to take disability to get your back fixed what other choice do you have? No sense and being miserable and waiting until you end up unable to do anything.

 

[oscardeuce]

Originally Posted by GeriDoc
http:///forum/post/3102361
I assume, then, that you are in favor of universal health care coverage so that every patient you see in the ED would be a paying customer who was there for a true emergency, having gotten routine care at their physician's office. [/IRONY]

You got another 20,000 primary care physicians hiden away?
We already have "universal" coverage with medicare medicaid and EMTALA.
Yeah, I want the same people running Amtrack running health care.

 

[zman1]

Originally Posted by oscardeuce
http:///forum/post/3102843
You got another 20,000 primary care physicians hiden away?.
This is old news but is it really...
"In 1997, Congress tightened the licensing rules for foreign doctors entering the country because of concerns by the American Medical Association and other doctors' organizations that the inflow of foreign doctors was driving down their salaries. As a result, the number of foreign medical residents allowed to enter the country each year was cut in half.
... If free trade in physicians brought doctors' salaries down to European levels, the savings would be close to $100,000 per doctor, approximately $80 billion a year. This is 10 times as large as standard estimates of the gains from NAFTA."
FREE TRADE is not only to drive down wages of the middle and lower class, but should include all. Let all compete for their wages against the new world market... One way to reduce cost!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (shareholder value LOL) It's okay. It works for all other industries, correct? Unfortunately, we are still in the "The Conservative Nanny State"....
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/capital-...r-lawyers.html

 

[h3b]

We have the richest poor people in the world. And jhow would a flat tax make any sense? If the flat tax was $20,000, then the rich that make millions or hundreds or thousands would have to pay an relatively little to what they make. While someone right out of college or a poor person who makes $25,000 a year would have to live on $5,000 a year, if they even made that much.
Then again, perhaps i don't understand the concept.

 

[reefraff]

Originally Posted by H3B
http:///forum/post/3103443
We have the richest poor people in the world. And jhow would a flat tax make any sense? If the flat tax was $20,000, then the rich that make millions or hundreds or thousands would have to pay an relatively little to what they make. While someone right out of college or a poor person who makes $25,000 a year would have to live on $5,000 a year, if they even made that much.
Then again, perhaps i don't understand the concept.
Flat tax means everyone pays the same percentage, not amount. 20% of ten thousand or ten million