The Evil Bible

bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by YearOfTheNick
http:///forum/post/3009323
Woah where did all this emotion come from? Man, I'm surprised at your response. We must be looking at different examples. I'm not trying to justify ---- nor would I ever even think to. In fact, in the OT, God destroyed the city of Sodom because there was so much ---- and evil going on.
Please show me the passages in the bible that say God blessed any ----.
And Please, Bionicarm, let's try to be as objective a possible... Please don't throw me under the bus just because whatever I say urks you the wrong way. Let's work on the power of knowledge, not instinct and reaction. We're intelligent people... lets act like it.
Why would I be emotional about this subject? You're the one chastising this web site about the content they're posting, not me. Like I said, everything I read was they essentially were showing passages in the Bible that referenced murder, r@pe, human sacrifice, and slavery. You're just choosing to disagree with their assessment. I think the intent of the site is to show that religion and preaching religion from the Bible is hypocritical in nature. Meaning, the church tells you to follow The Good Book and the Ten Commandments, but when you read passages from said book, it shows incidences where individuals broke the same rules they're supposed to uphold. Ergo, hypocritical.
 
yearofthenick

yearofthenick

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3009415
Why would I be emotional about this subject?
You're emotional because you're making it a personal attack against me... see below...
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3009298
You're one of the fanatics I described in the latter part of my second response.
You shouldn't label me and judge me, just as I have never judged you, nor do I want to.
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3009415
You're the one chastising this web site about the content they're posting, not me. Like I said, everything I read was they essentially were showing passages in the Bible that referenced murder, r@pe, human sacrifice, and slavery. You're just choosing to disagree with their assessment.
I never said it was incorrect. I said that the fact that they were contradictions were incorrect. I have no doubt that a lot of murder and evil ran rampant in the OT. That's just undeniable. What I DO have a problem with is that they BLAME GOD for it, not the kings and rulers who chose to do it... AND they are saying that it's contradictory because different stuff happened in the NT. OF COURSE different stuff happened in the NT.
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3009415
I think the intent of the site is to show that religion and preaching religion from the Bible is hypocritical in nature.
Dude, everyone is hypocritical. Everyone. If you think you're not a hypocrite, that's got to be the most ignorant thing I've ever heard. Everyone on the planet has been at some point a hypocrite. There are basic foundational traits that make us human... hypocrisy is one of them. Doesn't make it right, but its undeniable.
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3009415
Meaning, the church tells you to follow The Good Book and the Ten Commandments, but when you read passages from said book, it shows incidences where individuals broke the same rules they're supposed to uphold. Ergo, hypocritical.
I see. So you expect everyone in the history of the bible to do what is right and perfect. You won't find that anywhere in any history book. The entirety of humanity's history is tainted with terrible things. The bible is no different. Bad stuff went down then also.
What is history for? Knowledge. What is the bible for? Knowledge. To take a secular spin on this evil bible website would be like me making a site talking about how much I hate Hitler and how much of a mass-murderer he was... then I'd blame someone like George Bush, because I don't like him. In the same way, the Evil Bible.com is a site that talks about the bible's horror stories, then blames God who the writer of the site hates. It's so juvenile. That's what I hate about the evil bible. com
Honestly, I am really interested to see some legitimate contradictions. I am hungry for that stuff. The Evil Bible is the last place I'd look.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by YearOfTheNick
http:///forum/post/3009451
You're emotional because you're making it a personal attack against me... see below...
You shouldn't label me and judge me, just as I have never judged you, nor do I want to.
I never said it was incorrect. I said that the fact that they were contradictions were incorrect. I have no doubt that a lot of murder and evil ran rampant in the OT. That's just undeniable. What I DO have a problem with is that they BLAME GOD for it, not the kings and rulers who chose to do it... AND they are saying that it's contradictory because different stuff happened in the NT. OF COURSE different stuff happened in the NT.
Dude, everyone is hypocritical. Everyone. If you think you're not a hypocrite, that's got to be the most ignorant thing I've ever heard. Everyone on the planet has been at some point a hypocrite. There are basic foundational traits that make us human... hypocrisy is one of them. Doesn't make it right, but its undeniable.
I see. So you expect everyone in the history of the bible to do what is right and perfect. You won't find that anywhere in any history book. The entirety of humanity's history is tainted with terrible things. The bible is no different. Bad stuff went down then also.
What is history for? Knowledge. What is the bible for? Knowledge. To take a secular spin on this evil bible website would be like me making a site talking about how much I hate Hitler and how much of a mass-murderer he was... then I'd blame someone like George Bush, because I don't like him. In the same way, the Evil Bible.com is a site that talks about the bible's horror stories, then blames God who the writer of the site hates. It's so juvenile. That's what I hate about the evil bible. com
Honestly, I am really interested to see some legitimate contradictions. I am hungry for that stuff. The Evil Bible is the last place I'd look.
The Bible is God's Guide Book. He was derived from this book. Without the book, God would have never existed in the minds of the majority of humans living on this planet. Just think where christianity and secular religions like it would be if the Bible were never written. Non existent.
Why not blame God for the passages in a book that was written exclusively for him? Based on the writings, people back then murdered, r@ped, and did no telling what else because in their minds, God told them to do so. If it wasn't for their fanatical belief that he existed, many of these haneous crimes would have never occurred. Put blame where blame is due.
 
yearofthenick

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3009480
The Bible is God's Guide Book. He was derived from this book. Without the book, God would have never existed in the minds of the majority of humans living on this planet. Just think where christianity and secular religions like it would be if the Bible were never written. Non existent.
Why not blame God for the passages in a book that was written exclusively for him? Based on the writings, people back then murdered, r@ped, and did no telling what else because in their minds, God told them to do so. If it wasn't for their fanatical belief that he existed, many of these haneous crimes would have never occurred. Put blame where blame is due.
The correct spelling is "heinous."
Show me a single passage in the bible where God condoned and commanded people to r@pe. Just one.
Show me one archaeologist who researches in the middle east and doesn't use the bible as a valid book in discerning the areas.
The bible was not written to be God's guide book. I don't think people thought they would be writing todays religious guide book when they wrote it. The people in the times wrote the stuff that was going down. Nothing more.
The bottom line... I'm arguing about the bastardization of knowledge. It's running rampant these days. If it doesn't further ones point in any way, it's bastardized.
Bionicarm, why does discussing the bible make you feel so uncomfortable? Why do you have such hostility toward it? If nothing else, you can view it as a book just like any other... with words just like any other. I own a book of mormon. I have a copy of the Qur’an. These are all books that I read to further my knowledge about other religions. I value it greatly as a source for me to understand where other people are coming from. Why do you choose ignorance instead? Have you ever read the bible? If not, why argue against it? Is it because you want to hear only what you want to hear? This is an honest question. I truly want to know. You don't have to answer.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by YearOfTheNick
http:///forum/post/3009520
The correct spelling is "heinous."
Show me a single passage in the bible where God condoned and commanded people to r@pe. Just one.
Show me one archaeologist who researches in the middle east and doesn't use the bible as a valid book in discerning the areas.
The bible was not written to be God's guide book. I don't think people thought they would be writing todays religious guide book when they wrote it. The people in the times wrote the stuff that was going down. Nothing more.
The bottom line... I'm arguing about the bastardization of knowledge. It's running rampant these days. If it doesn't further ones point in any way, it's bastardized.
Bionicarm, why does discussing the bible make you feel so uncomfortable? Why do you have such hostility toward it? If nothing else, you can view it as a book just like any other... with words just like any other. I own a book of mormon. I have a copy of the Qur’an. These are all books that I read to further my knowledge about other religions. I value it greatly as a source for me to understand where other people are coming from. Why do you choose ignorance instead? Have you ever read the bible? If not, why argue against it? Is it because you want to hear only what you want to hear? This is an honest question. I truly want to know. You don't have to answer.
Now you're giving spelling lessons? OK, you're not a religious fanatic, you're a bible thumper. Even worse. Bastardization of knowledge? Because you disagree with the evidence this site has brought forward to dispel your religious beliefs? Where do you get off with I'm uncomfortable about reading a piece of mythical literature? Prove the validity of the book. Show proof that 1/3 of the events depicted in the Bible ever occurred. Most of the 'Books' that are internal to the Bible were by individuals who wrote about their personal encounters. Jesus walking on water, turning blood into wine... nothing but tricks performed by a magician. Some of the stunts Jesus claimed to have pulled could be replicated today by David Blaine. So is he the second coming of The Savior?

You say I'm ignorant because I don't believe in a book that was written a couple thousand years ago. Ignorance is only in the eye of the beholder. You are the one who doesn't have the answers. Mainly because you can't back up any of the fables written in the bible. Show me proof there was an Ark. Show me the ACTUAL Ten Commandments. How about The Holy Grail? Sean Connery and Indiana Jones found it.
 
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Originally Posted by YearOfTheNick
http:///forum/post/3009520
The correct spelling is "heinous."
Show me a single passage in the bible where God condoned and commanded people to r@pe. Just one.
Show me one archaeologist who researches in the middle east and doesn't use the bible as a valid book in discerning the areas.
The bible was not written to be God's guide book. I don't think people thought they would be writing todays religious guide book when they wrote it. The people in the times wrote the stuff that was going down. Nothing more.
The bottom line... I'm arguing about the bastardization of knowledge. It's running rampant these days. If it doesn't further ones point in any way, it's bastardized.
Bionicarm, why does discussing the bible make you feel so uncomfortable? Why do you have such hostility toward it? If nothing else, you can view it as a book just like any other... with words just like any other. I own a book of mormon. I have a copy of the Qur’an. These are all books that I read to further my knowledge about other religions. I value it greatly as a source for me to understand where other people are coming from. Why do you choose ignorance instead? Have you ever read the bible? If not, why argue against it? Is it because you want to hear only what you want to hear? This is an honest question. I truly want to know. You don't have to answer.
there is one story that i know of that a ---- occured but wasn't commanded by God. the only good man in either Soddom or Gomorah i forget which, was visited by angels and the townsfolk tried to ---- them. this "good" man gave the townsfolk his daughter to ---- to save the angels. check it for yourselves...
christianity is a copy cat religion, especially the story of Jesus. the very same concept of a virgin birth, walking on water, curing the blind, dying for the sins of the masses, and resurecting 3 days later was told thousands of years before Jesus was born. in Egypt and Babalyon, research the god Myrna and the gods Osiris, Isis, and Horus. same exact story as the Jesus story.
the bible is a code of conduct manual explained thru stories, especially the old testament. a man never lived in the belly of a whale! but there is alot of hidden truth in the bible especially in the first chapters of Genesis. if you read it carefully you might pick up on it. another thing is the book is EXTREMELY edited and mistranslated. it was first written in Arameic, then hebrew, latin, greek, etc. in its orignal language the word God is plural or the gods. check it for yourselves. books were added and taken out over the centuries and written hundreds of years apart. most christians dont know that.
 
bionicarm

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David's Punishment - Polygamy, R@pe, Baby Killing, and God's "Forgiveness" (2 Samuel 12:11-14 NAB
Thus says the Lord: 'I will bring evil upon you out of your own house. I will take your wives [plural] while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor. He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight. You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of all Israel, and with the sun looking down.'
Then David said to Nathan, "I have sinned against the Lord." Nathan answered David: "The Lord on his part has forgiven your sin: you shall not die. But since you have utterly spurned the Lord by this deed, the child born to you must surely die." [The child dies seven days later.]
(Deuteronomy 20:10-14)
As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.
What kind of God approves of murder, r@pe, and slavery?
Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city. (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)
 
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Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/3009570
another thing is the book is EXTREMELY edited and mistranslated. it was first written in Arameic, then hebrew, latin, greek, etc. in its orignal language the word God is plural or the gods. check it for yourselves. books were added and taken out over the centuries and written hundreds of years apart. most christians dont know that.
Actually, this is false.
Only a couple books were written in Aramaic. Original scrolls of the Old Testament were Hebrew and most of the books in the New Testament were written in Greek. God is plural in some places and singular in others. The Hebrew word Elohim is plural, but applies to a single being. (Trinity)
Hebrew names of God can be found here... http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Nam...G-d/El/el.html
The translation of the books in the Bible is incredibly accurate. The context of the original language plays more of a role in meaning than modern languages. This is why there is more than one way to translate the words. A single word may have a dozen meanings when used in differing contexts.
Here is a tidbit on translation... http://www.zondervan.com/Cultures/en...Site=Zondervan
 
stdreb27

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I love how the people in this thread who are "anti-bible" are basically wrong in just about every point they are making. It is amusing.
 
chilwil84

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just out of curiosity bionicarm do you have a tank or do you just decide to come on here and argue with people that arent on the far left side of the politicle spectrum. with 26 posts i only remember seeing you in the aquarium on the politicle threads. do you have another username for the rest of the boards sections.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by chilwil84
http:///forum/post/3009709
just out of curiosity bionicarm do you have a tank or do you just decide to come on here and argue with people that arent on the far left side of the politicle spectrum. with 26 posts i only remember seeing you in the aquarium on the politicle threads. do you have another username for the rest of the boards sections.
I've already played that game. I leave the answering of the same 10 questions that pop up in the other forums to all the experts here. I look through them periodically, and before I can even provide input, someone else has already answered the question. How many ways do you need to explain what cyano or ich is? I had three tanks up at one time over the last 5 years or so. I've broken down the larger ones due to time and cost. I just keep a 55 with a few fish and some corals for scenery in my game room.
What hole did you crawl out of after 3 years? Apparently you don't care to provide input on controversial or current event topics that often. Instead you like to provide useless jabs at people. Your choice, not mine. I'd rather be far left and have an opinion, instead of the "far-righter" who thinks their view of the world is the right one (no pun intended), and we'll fall under a political realm of Socialism if anyone besides a Republican is in office.
 
mantisman51

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FWIW, this is the "off topic" section. I think Bionic has posed some serious questions. If we, as believers, can't answer them then we are not that strong in our faith. Rather than get angry, search the Scripture. I think that Bionic has a better grasp of the nature of the Biblical God than most Christians.
 
yearofthenick

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3009575
David's Punishment - Polygamy, R@pe, Baby Killing, and God's "Forgiveness" (2 Samuel 12:11-14 NAB
Thus says the Lord: 'I will bring evil upon you out of your own house. I will take your wives [plural] while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor. He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight. You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of all Israel, and with the sun looking down.'
Then David said to Nathan, "I have sinned against the Lord." Nathan answered David: "The Lord on his part has forgiven your sin: you shall not die. But since you have utterly spurned the Lord by this deed, the child born to you must surely die." [The child dies seven days later.]
(Deuteronomy 20:10-14)
As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.
What kind of God approves of murder, r@pe, and slavery?
Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city. (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)
You know, I was going to respond on each bible passage you quoted, but there's just no point. The truth is that in all these cases, God was the ultimate ruler of authority and made sentences as consequences.
The second I hear OT slavery, I laugh. Most of the slaves of the time were actually volunteering. In the OT, if you wanted money, you'd ask a rich person for money in exchange for slavery. So if I want $25,000 from you, I will commit to working solely on your property for 1 year. Loans were not commonplace at all... but slavery was. What we consider to be slavery today is NOT what slavery was at the time. IF you had studied that a little more, you'd know it... and not look like an idiot.
Murder is another thing you're accusing God of. Let me ask you this - Are you in support of the electric chair or Judges sentencing people to death? Like I said, in the OT, God was the ultimate ruler. IF God ordered someone to be put to death, they probably deserved it. Just like today. If someone came and killed my entire family, I would want them to be sentenced to death. Eye for an eye tooth for tooth.
The accusation of r@pe is the hardest to explain. At the time, men would have dozens of wives, sometimes hundreds. Wives were considered property at the time... they were a very strongly male-chauvinistic people. If God was talking in a literal sense and not an allegorical sense, God was saying that He's going to take away the persons riches essentially. Once again, if you had ANY IDEA what the times were like, you wouldn't even be saying this. In the NT, it clearly states that husbands are to have only one wife.
I've said it before and I'll say it again... this is ALL OT stuff. Things were very different then.
Seriously man, I'm disappointed. You sit here and accuse me of being a fanatic and super-religious, blinded by my own religion... and yet you're the one who won't accept the reasoning and history behind it all, which I've studied hard to understand. All you can do is give me bible verses from some surface-skimming website who takes everything out of context, using a version I've never heard of (NAB??).
I challenge my faith every day, and it's a healthy thing. What do you do to challenge your beliefs? (Or prove the lack thereof?)
 
yearofthenick

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Originally Posted by mantisman51
http:///forum/post/3009791
FWIW, this is the "off topic" section. I think Bionic has posed some serious questions. If we, as believers, can't answer them then we are not that strong in our faith. Rather than get angry, search the Scripture. I think that Bionic has a better grasp of the nature of the Biblical God than most Christians.
Mantisman, you're a good man. Honest and calm. You are totally right in saying that these discussions shouldn't cause us to get angry at each other.
But I have to respectfully disagree about bionic. Most Christians have a better grasp of God's nature than bionicarm, simply because they believe in God and I'm pretty sure Bionic doesn't. Kind of hard to know someone when you don't even think they exist.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by YearOfTheNick
http:///forum/post/3009813
Mantisman, you're a good man. Honest and calm. You are totally right in saying that these discussions shouldn't cause us to get angry at each other.
But I have to respectfully disagree about bionic. Most Christians have a better grasp of God's nature than bionicarm, simply because they believe in God and I'm pretty sure Bionic doesn't. Kind of hard to know someone when you don't even think they exist.
As Mantisman stated, I know more about the Bible and religion than you think. My mother is a devout Catholic of 83 years, and I grew up respecting her religion. I went to Catholic school for 6 years. God and the Bible were drilled into my head on a daily basis. All the time I listened to this, I always thought to myself, "This 'person' that these people revere so much doesn't make sense to me. Where's the logic behind it?" I just didn't get 'it'. I think logically, not spiritually. I base my beliefs on the physical, not what I call The Supernatural. I'm a realist. You want me to believe in something? Show me physical proof. Writings in a book that's a couple thousand years old isn't PHYSICAL proof.
I honestly have no reason to hate or blame God. To me, he's just a figment of the imagination, drummed up by religious zealots to inspire their followers to follow and respect their principles. Remember that movie back in the 70's or 80's where this member of an African tribe (or was it an Australian aborigne?) was walking along, and a Coke bottle fell out of the sky and hit him on the head? He and his entire tribe proclaimed this bottle to be their God. Is that how you portray this 'being'? What exactly is gained by believing in a Higher Being? Do you honestly feel there's this magical place somewhere in the universe you soul goes to when you die? Again, no physical proof this place exists. The only way you'll ever know is by dying. And so far, there's no scientific way to bring you back from the dead to find out if there is a Heaven or Hell. There have been people who claim they've come back from the dead, and saw this bright light. But who really knows what happens. No physical proof.
The Cycle Of Life - You're born, you get laid, you die, the worms eat you.
 
wfd1008

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You know, after reading through this, I can't believe that someone didn't bring up the fact the God allows Satan to do these evil deeds. In the book of Job, God plainly tells Satan, do what you will to Job, just don't harm him. (paraphrased) Let people say what they will, but I bet you'll never see an atheist in a foxhole when the bombs are dropping around them. JMO
 
socal57che

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In the simplest of terms, I see the Old Testament as a record of man's failure which demonstrates the need for a Savior. The New Testament is the fulfillment of that need in Jesus the Christ.
 
wfd1008

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Bionic, you want proof, look around. I don't mean in your room, in the city, or anything like that. Get outdoors and look around and pay attention to the beauty that is around. That my friend is God. Whether it be the the sound of the bullfrogs, the wind and the trees dancing a waltz, or the creatures that you house in your tank. That beauty that you see is done by God's hand. That whisper that you hear in your head to give the dollar to the homeless guy on the corner, or to hold the door open for the old lady walking in behind you, that's the voice of God. Very faint, but if you're still, and listen close enough, you'll hear it.
 
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