The Evil Bible

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3015079
I've asked what I feel are viable questions regarding what drives a person to be so faithful towards what I deem is a ficticious being.
It is a simple answer that is not open to debate really, and a strong waste of time as there are no Facts proving existence nor disproving existence. Thus why it is called faith.............
The answer to help you out, is they believe God is not a fictional entity.
Prove God doesn't exist....
Prove God does exist....
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by YearOfTheNick
http:///forum/post/3015144
If I did that, then I'd be ignorant. I don't want to be ignorant to anything if I can help it. Good to see though that you don't mind being ignorant when it's convenient for you (see quote above). Man, if only I had seen it earlier... you think I would have figured it out just by reading this thread.
You don't care about anything except that which furthers you and your argument. You say the bible is meaningless in one post and then use it to help your opinion in another. You say I'm the hypocrite (and I agree) and yet you prove my point right here by being yourself a hypocrite. The difference between you and I is that I try not to be... but for you, all bets are off - and as a standard. Why?
When did I say enraged maniac? When did I say you needed psychiatric treatment for anything? Having said that, who looks like the one taking things personally? Yes, I'm on the defensive because you're putting my faith on the chopping block. Sorry, but I can't help but defend my faith. You're defending the lack of yours... same difference. The problem is that we're not learning anything from each other, which is what this entire forum is for - knowledge. Ultimately, every exchange we have is futile.
I could care less about whether you agree or not with my religious philosophies. What I struggle with is that you pick fights, and I get reeled into them. When it comes to historical proof, you have expectations and want standards that don't exist.
In my mind, it's over. I am not going to continue being a puppet for your enjoyment. That is, after all, what you've essentially said I am anyway.
If you're not doing psycho analysis, what was the meaning by this statement?
Bionic, I mean this honestly, and not attackingly, but you've got anger problems. It comes across on almost every post you make on SWF. You purposely say things that you know will get under the skin of the rest of us. You're not at peace, man. That's why you use SWF to vent it out on all of us. That's something you can never fix by yourself. I know you regret the things you've done in your past. I'm not saying you need forgiveness, I'm not trying to make a convert out of you or anything, but this is a valid argument. I look at my life and I look at yours (Based upon the narrow view I have from this side of my computer screen) and I can see that I have something you don't - peace.
Or this:
It doesn't take a degree in psychology to see what is in plain view. If I was trying to psycho-analyze you, I'd probably have a lot more to say... as would anyone who is psycho-analyzed.
Sounds to me like you're attacking me personally. What's the difference? If you're going to argue about any controversial issue, be it religion, politics, abortion, pick one, you have to take some of the personal aspects out of it. As I said, I look at things logically. When you make statements that don't make logical sense to me, I will respond in a way where I use examples to get my point across. They may be seen as a personal attack to you, but that's just your interpretation. You want to defend your opinion? Go right ahead and do it. But do it in a way where you don't make illogical references. Quoting scripture during an argument about religion means nothing to me. As someone else has stated, biblical quotes can be interpreted in many different ways. It all depends how you read into them.
I'm not picking any fights. I've made sarcastic remarks based on some of your responses, but if you read what I'm saying, there's usually a hidden inuendo in the comment. You're just getting upset and frustrated because you apparently don't like the idea that you can't sway me into agreeing with your opinion. Trust me, you're not the first person I've debated religion with. The truly relgious individuals try to turn the argument any way they can to support their beliefs. When it doesn't work, they go on the defensive and tell me my lack of faith will come back to haunt me on Judgement Day. I don't have a clue as to what knowledge you're looking from me. When I make valid logical points to support my disbelief, you just tell me I have no faith and live in a world of anger. Not really sure what you're looking for.
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Veni Vidi Vici
http:///forum/post/3015093
I just had a mental picture of you sitting on the couch with a remote control in one hand a a box of chocolate in the other wearing a cheap suit,a propeller beanie and tennis shoes.

I think you might just be watching a bit to much TV.
BTW Forrest Gump....X-Files......and Jerico all all fiction based movies.

Chocolates make you fat, cheap suits went out in the 70's, and propellor beanies are actually a very desired collector's item. What's your point, or am I supposed to surmise you're just making yet another personal attack against me?
Yes, those are all fiction-based, but each one of them has a story to tell and provide lessons in life. Jericho is a good example of your "what if" scenario if someone were to take over the Federal Government. I thought you'd love that series. Forrest Gump provides numerous lessons in life, and gives an intriguing perspective how a person with lower than normal mental capacities sees life and applies their own perspective to it. Sorry, I never did like X-Files. People just reference that show when anyone tries using conspiracy theories while arguing their point of view.
 

mantisman51

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I want to clarify something: we Western Christians, as a whole, have turned God into a warm, fuzzy Mr Rogers in the sky. The God of the Bible has firm right and wrongs and will He will be the final judge-not me and what I believe. If someone disagrees, I don't think they are evil or attacking me-they must work out their own salvation.
 

yearofthenick

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3015375
Yes, those are all fiction-based, but each one of them has a story to tell and provide lessons in life. Jericho is a good example of your "what if" scenario if someone were to take over the Federal Government. I thought you'd love that series. Forrest Gump provides numerous lessons in life, and gives an intriguing perspective how a person with lower than normal mental capacities sees life and applies their own perspective to it. Sorry, I never did like X-Files. People just reference that show when anyone tries using conspiracy theories while arguing their point of view.
I love that you can see the life lessons in Forrest Gump, but totally ignore trying to learn the lessons inside the bible. Maybe because it's more wholesome? Not sure.
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3015166
Sticking with the O.J. defense I see.
Darth (even Johnny cochrane couldn't get me off) Tang
P.S. Bill Clinton taught you well.
I rest my case.
Darth, you and I are more alike than you'd like to acknowledge. That's why most of your sarcastic remarks to me just roll off my shoulder. I can give them just as easily as I can take them, and you do the same. Keep them coming. I can use your lines when it comes time to be more tactful.
 

yearofthenick

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3015368
As I said, I look at things logically.
That's a total crock of B.S.
Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3015368
I'm not picking any fights.
Not only is it what you do 95% of the time on here, it's something you're very good at. This statement alone also shows your ability to manipulate... it's really pathetic man.
Originally Posted by bionicarm

http:///forum/post/3015368
You're just getting upset and frustrated because you apparently don't like the idea that you can't sway me into agreeing with your opinion.
I could care less about whether or not we agree - some of my greatest friends also disagree with me, but it's done respectfully from both sides. We argue a lot about the meanings behind certain passages in the bible and I love it.
But it's when you tell me I'm a religious fanatic or that i belong in a rubber room that I get defensive, naturally.
The truth is, Bionic, that I just don't care. I'm too proud to let go of the childish things you say so I get reeled into it with you... but ultimately it's meaningless from start to finish.
3 pages of this thread - all for your sick and twisted enjoyment. It's done.
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by YearOfTheNick
http:///forum/post/3015380
I love that you can see the life lessons in Forrest Gump, but totally ignore trying to learn the lessons inside the bible. Maybe because it's more wholesome? Not sure.
Wholesome? I think this Evil Bible site has shown that passages from the bible are anything but wholesome. Actually, if you 'read into' movies like Forrest Gump, they do follow many of the lessons that are depicted in the bible. You should understand that many of the individuals who write these storylines are religious people like yourself.
I have no issues with some of the lessons the bible teaches. It's how the religious right interpret their meanings and deliver them in a way that implies that if your disagree with their interpretations, this Higher Being will send you to eternal damnation.
 

mantisman51

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YOTN, I agree with you 100%. I just tend to use a more low-key approach. However, I do understand that sometimes we just have to shake hands and agree to disagree. But FWIW, Amen Brother. And Bionic, I think you are correct, as well. Critical thinking is what brings enlightenment.
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by YearOfTheNick
http:///forum/post/3015386
That's a total crock of B.S.
Not only is it what you do 95% of the time on here, it's something you're very good at. This statement alone also shows your ability to manipulate... it's really pathetic man.
I could care less about whether or not we agree - some of my greatest friends also disagree with me, but it's done respectfully from both sides. We argue a lot about the meanings behind certain passages in the bible and I love it.
But it's when you tell me I'm a religious fanatic or that i belong in a rubber room that I get defensive, naturally.
The truth is, Bionic, that I just don't care. I'm too proud to let go of the childish things you say so I get reeled into it with you... but ultimately it's meaningless from start to finish.
3 pages of this thread - all for your sick and twisted enjoyment. It's done.
You're interpreting my comments and examples as personal attacks on you. They are not. You may not feel you're classified as a religious fanatic, but the attitude and demeanor you've portrayed in this thread and any others that are religion-based on this site, come off like you are to me. You remind me of Kirk Cameron. I don't have a clue if you feel that's insulting or not, but that's just the way you come across to me when you bring up religious topics. That's my interpretation of you. You may be a totally different individual in real life. That's just one of the problems when you try to bring a point across when you're having heated discussions on a computer forum. Facial expressions and body movement are an integral part in understanding the true demeanor of a person.
I think I've explained at least 3 times the rubber room example was not a direct comment towards you. I mearly used that as an example of someone who hears voices in their head. It was a sarcastic response to your comment that "You talked to God". I doubt very seriously that you've had an actual conversation with God. If you have, and can prove it, you'd probably be ordained a saint by the Pope.
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by mantisman51
http:///forum/post/3015376
I want to clarify something: we Western Christians, as a whole, have turned God into a warm, fuzzy Mr Rogers in the sky. The God of the Bible has firm right and wrongs and will He will be the final judge-not me and what I believe. If someone disagrees, I don't think they are evil or attacking me-they must work out their own salvation.
Mantis, I think if you and I were the only ones debating this topic, we could probably come into some type of agreement with both of our opinions. You apparently understand where I'm coming from with my disbeliefs, and don't take my opinions as personal attacks.
 

yearofthenick

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3015393
Wholesome? I think this Evil Bible site has shown that passages from the bible are anything but wholesome. Actually, if you 'read into' movies like Forrest Gump, they do follow many of the lessons that are depicted in the bible. You should understand that many of the individuals who write these storylines are religious people like yourself.
I have no issues with some of the lessons the bible teaches. It's how the religious right interpret their meanings and deliver them in a way that implies that if your disagree with their interpretations, this Higher Being will send you to eternal damnation.
Nope, I'm not going to do it. I'm not getting into it with you. You know the truth about the bible, and it's OT/NT and what is wholesome. You know the evil bible is an uneducated persons pitiful attempt at egging the bible.
You also know that I agree with you about the whole damnation thing so we don't even need to argue there at all.
Found this on a friends facebook page and thought it was appropriate to the forum as a whole (No, this is not just for you Bionic): "I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't and die to find out there is. - Albert Camus"
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by YearOfTheNick
http:///forum/post/3015410
Nope, I'm not going to do it. I'm not getting into it with you. You know the truth about the bible, and it's OT/NT and what is wholesome. You know the evil bible is an uneducated persons pitiful attempt at egging the bible.
You also know that I agree with you about the whole damnation thing so we don't even need to argue there at all.
Found this on a friends facebook page and thought it was appropriate to the forum as a whole (No, this is not just for you Bionic): "I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't and die to find out there is. - Albert Camus"
Again Nick, that's your interpretation. How can you say that quotes in these two books that discuss marriage infidelity, murder, slavery, and who knows what else could be construde as wholesome? Are the passages that this Evil Bible site have pulled from the bible inaccurate? Are they interpreting them incorrectly? All I did was read their comments based on the exact bible passages they posted. Their arguments seem vaild to me. Which one's do you disagree with?
Mr. Camus' quote is appropro. But again, if you don't believe in the premise there is an afterlife, the quote is somewhat meaningless. What is ironic is that if you go with what the religious faithful tell you, all you have to do is profess your sins to Him and all will be forgiven. So I can live my entire life saying that God doesn't exist, and if he actually does, just tell him "Hey, they were right. I was wrong, Sorry, I take back everything bad I said in life and profess my love and devotion to YOU." and ythe doors of Heaven will open up and I can come annoy all the true believers for all eternity.
 

yearofthenick

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3015420
Again Nick, that's your interpretation. How can you say that quotes in these two books that discuss marriage infidelity, murder, slavery, and who knows what else could be construde as wholesome? Are the passages that this Evil Bible site have pulled from the bible inaccurate? Are they interpreting them incorrectly? All I did was read their comments based on the exact bible passages they posted. Their arguments seem vaild to me. Which one's do you disagree with?
Mr. Camus' quote is appropro. But again, if you don't believe in the premise there is an afterlife, the quote is somewhat meaningless.
Exactly, all you did was read them. It would be like me getting a vehicle and not knowing how to drive it. In the same way, you can't take a book that was written 2k years ago and take it at face value. You need to learn it's origins, it's writers. I'll use the third reich book again as a reference. If I just found it laying around and didn't study it's origins, I might look at it differently. You know that.
The Camus quote works either way... replace the word "God" with "Afterlife" and you have an equally logical statement.
 

sickboy

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Originally Posted by YearOfTheNick
http:///forum/post/3015423
In the same way, you can't take a book that was written 2k years ago and take it at face value. You need to learn it's origins, it's writers.
Sorry Nick, I like debating w/ you and all.... but you keep saying this is hard....it's really not very hard and anyone that has participated in this discussion is capable of doing so....
 

yearofthenick

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Originally Posted by sickboy
http:///forum/post/3015973
Sorry Nick, I like debating w/ you and all.... but you keep saying this is hard....it's really not very hard and anyone that has participated in this discussion is capable of doing so....
I never said it was hard. I'm saying you need to read deeper into it than just what's at face value.
 

sickboy

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Originally Posted by YearOfTheNick
http:///forum/post/3015994
I never said it was hard. I'm saying you need to read deeper into it than just what's at face value.
Ok, my bad. I thought you were trying to say it took scholars to understand it or something...which I totally disagree with.
 

yearofthenick

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Originally Posted by sickboy
http:///forum/post/3016042
Ok, my bad. I thought you were trying to say it took scholars to understand it or something...which I totally disagree with.
If I were catholic, that'd be a whole different story. Wasn't it the catholics who all throughout the middle ages forbade non-clergy to even own bibles? It's because they wanted all the control.
What makes me mad is when people google search for bible and murder and a verse pops up and they use it to hate God. Why was there murder? Who did it? I'm saying you should at least investigate a little here.
 

sickboy

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Originally Posted by YearOfTheNick
http:///forum/post/3016143
If I were catholic, that'd be a whole different story. Wasn't it the catholics who all throughout the middle ages forbade non-clergy to even own bibles? It's because they wanted all the control.
Yeah, the catholics....aka the only christian church at the time...
 

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by YearOfTheNick
http:///forum/post/3015423
Exactly, all you did was read them. It would be like me getting a vehicle and not knowing how to drive it. In the same way, you can't take a book that was written 2k years ago and take it at face value. You need to learn it's origins, it's writers. I'll use the third reich book again as a reference. If I just found it laying around and didn't study it's origins, I might look at it differently. You know that.
The Camus quote works either way... replace the word "God" with "Afterlife" and you have an equally logical statement.
I don't understand your anaolgy. You say the writings of the bible are wholesome. This site you have a vile disdain for simply posted exact passages from the bible and made THEIR interpretation of what was being said. So in that sense, they did all the homework and learned the origins. As I asked, what passages do you disagree with? Take this passage:
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB).
So I'm supposed to research Leviticus to see why he would make a statement like this about murder? Or is this one quote taken from a larger passage that explains why the statement is made?
This passage:
(Deuteronomy 20:10-14)
As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.
Am I to assume that I should research how people lived back then, and what was normal when it came to invading an enemies home before interpreting 'enjoy the spoils of your enemies' to mean that God gave them the right to do whatever they want to the women and children they conquered? Whether or not this was a customary practice back then is irrelevent. The fact is, the passage is in the bible and discusses the atrocities of war and its consequences. Not exactly Disney Channel material if you ask me.
 
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