The I Hate Cheaters (Barry Bonds) Thread

[skipperdz]

Originally Posted by ruaround
with age you should lose power... not gain power... his first, 100th and 200th barely cleared the wall... now he is crushing them in the bay 15 years later... a lead off hitter to clean up power hitter... hmmm somethin is

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how do you expain randy couture beating silvia in the ufc...randy couture 43,whooping up on silvia more than 10yrs younger and becoming the heavyweight champ? hes older/stronger/faster hmmm he must be juiced..wait he didnt test positive...doh
also how do we know Arod isnt juiced? we dont do we?

 

[skipperdz]

Originally Posted by rbaldino
Can you provide other examples of this in professional sports, particularly any who are Barry's age?
i believe i did

 

[ruaround]

Originally Posted by skipperdz
how do you expain randy couture beating silvia in the ufc...randy couture 43,whooping up on silvia more than 10yrs younger and becoming the heavyweight champ? hes older/stronger/faster hmmm he must be juiced..wait he didnt test positive...doh
also how do we know Arod isnt juiced? we dont do we?
there have never been aligations of those athletes juicing up... no has there been... neither one of them admitted to taking substances from Mr. Anderson from BALCO... now have they...
as far as couture goes he is a very talented individual and if youve watched the UFC youd know that he hasnt put on any weight... he is still ripped but not as toned as he was 10 years ago...
as far as Arod... youre just grasping at straws... until he puts on 30 lbs miraculously over the off season i for one would not think he is juicing up...
when bonds entered the league he was around 180 lbs... now is is weighing in around 260 lbs...
then and now...

now and then...

then and now...

 

[rbaldino]

Originally Posted by skipperdz
how do you expain randy couture beating silvia in the ufc...randy couture 43,whooping up on silvia more than 10yrs younger and becoming the heavyweight champ? hes older/stronger/faster hmmm he must be juiced..wait he didnt test positive...doh
Maybe Couture was just better... Now, if he were dramatically better than other fighters his age, that could be suspicious. Alas, the UFC hasn't been around long enough and there aren't enough fighters for that to be an accurate comparison. Find examples of football/baseball/basketball players who got better or didn't decline appreciably at the tail end of their careers.
Originally Posted by skipperdz
also how do we know Arod isnt juiced? we dont do we?
I've made no claims about A Rod, and I'm suspicious of just about everything. That's the era we're in.

 

[crimzy]

Originally Posted by ruaround
there have never been aligations of those athletes juicing up... no has there been... neither one of them admitted to taking substances from Mr. Anderson from BALCO... now have they...
as far as couture goes he is a very talented individual and if youve watched the UFC youd know that he hasnt put on any weight... he is still ripped but not as toned as he was 10 years ago...
as far as Arod... youre just grasping at straws... until he puts on 30 lbs miraculously over the off season i for one would not think he is juicing up...
when bonds entered the league he was around 180 lbs... now is is weighing in around 260 lbs...
then and now...

now and then...

then and now...

Great post.

 

[ruaround]

randy then...
<a href="http://www.sherdog.com/"><img src="http://www.sherdog.com/_images/pictures/0/254.jpg" border="0" width="300" alt="Randy Couture"></a><br><a href="http://www.sherdog.com">Get more pictures like this from SHERDOG.COM</a>
randy now...
<a href="http://www.sherdog.com/"><img src="http://www.sherdog.com/_images/pictures/41/41298.jpg" border="0" width="300" alt="Randy Couture "></a><br><a href="http://www.sherdog.com">Get more pictures like this from SHERDOG.COM</a>

 

[ruaround]

The Natural then...

The Natural now...

then...

now...

 

[skipperdz]

Originally Posted by rbaldino
Maybe Couture was just better... Now, if he were dramatically better than other fighters his age, that could be suspicious. Alas, the UFC hasn't been around long enough and there aren't enough fighters for that to be an accurate comparison. Find examples of football/baseball/basketball players who got better or didn't decline appreciably at the tail end of their careers.
I've made no claims about A Rod, and I'm suspicious of just about everything. That's the era we're in.
there are no other fighters his age...they've retired. yes ive followed ufc since ufc 1. in the early early 90's
fighters get near the upper 30's and just cant hang with the younger guys.
couture as a light heavy is 205 for wiegh in, and for heavy is a low 225-230. and beat a guy 8 inches taller, and roughly 40 lbs heavier.
you ask for an example i give...cant say it doesnt count.

 

[tangwhispr]

Originally Posted by skipperdz
how do you expain randy couture beating silvia in the ufc...randy couture 43,whooping up on silvia more than 10yrs younger and becoming the heavyweight champ? hes older/stronger/faster hmmm he must be juiced..wait he didnt test positive...doh
also how do we know Arod isnt juiced? we dont do we?
How do you explain it?? easily, Silvia is a best a B level fighter. If he fought Fedor, Aleks, Nog, Barnett he would have lost years ago.

 

[skipperdz]

if anyone fought fedor they would have lost years ago!

 

[tangwhispr]

Originally Posted by ruaround
The Natural then...

The Natural now...

then...

now...

You're comparing apples and oranges...you have pictures of him at eariler weigh-ins where he has went from his walking weight down to LHW 205, when he fought tim, he didn't have to cut.

 

[tangwhispr]

Originally Posted by skipperdz
there are no other fighters his age...they've retired. yes ive followed ufc since ufc 1. in the early early 90's
fighters get near the upper 30's and just cant hang with the younger guys.
couture as a light heavy is 205 for wiegh in, and for heavy is a low 225-230. and beat a guy 8 inches taller, and roughly 40 lbs heavier.
you ask for an example i give...cant say it doesnt count.

There are several old school fighters still fighting, just not in the UFC, they are in other organazations, Shamrock embarrased Baroni a few weeks ago.

 

[skipperdz]

i know gracie still is going...didnt reallize ken was still fighting...grant it hes been embarassed several times in the last 2 years as well

 

[ruaround]

Originally Posted by TangWhispr
You're comparing apples and oranges...you have pictures of him at eariler weigh-ins where he has went from his walking weight down to LHW 205, when he fought tim, he didn't have to cut
he certainly doesnt look any bigger now... nor has he been that ripped for over 5 years... its not apples n oranges... he isnt 30 lbs heavier...

 

[rbaldino]

Originally Posted by TangWhispr
You're comparing apples and oranges...you have pictures of him at eariler weigh-ins where he has went from his walking weight down to LHW 205, when he fought tim, he didn't have to cut.
I think you missed his point. He was trying to demonstrate that there's no reason to suspect Couture of drug use because he hasn't dramatically changed over the years.

 

[ruaround]

arod rookie season...

arod 2000...

arod now...

 

[tangwhispr]

Originally Posted by skipperdz
i know gracie still is going...didnt reallize ken was still fighting...grant it hes been embarassed several times in the last 2 years as well
Ken is done, but frank is fighting

 

[tangwhispr]

Originally Posted by ruaround
he certainly doesnt look any bigger now... nor has he been that ripped for over 5 years... its not apples n oranges... he isnt 30 lbs heavier...

Randy has always been pretty ripped...now sherk, thats another story, now he is denying he has even heard of DECA.

 

[skipperdz]

Originally Posted by ruaround
he certainly doesnt look any bigger now... nor has he been that ripped for over 5 years... its not apples n oranges... he isnt 30 lbs heavier...
for lightheavy weigh in yes he is...then come fight time hes not 205 anymore.

 

[ruaround]

Originally Posted by TangWhispr
Randy has always been pretty ripped...now sherk, thats another story, now he is denying he has even heard of DECA.
i agree... Sherk has to be roidin!!! he has ased for another postponement of his appeal... that guy is a freakin beast!!! but if he is roidin he deserves to have his title stripped and banned from UFC...