The presidential address 15-June-2010

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3279503
Didn't get back to this as we went to the dreamtheater/Iron Maiden show last night.
I will not deny Obama has strong left leanings/ psuedo Marxist views...full blown marxist I qam not completely sure yet...but there is no doubt he has marxist tendancies. Where I disagree is the comment that he is Evil and would gladly sacrifice U.S. lives if it would further his marxcist agenda. I have seen nothing to support this....I would conceed he purposely dragged his feet with the BP oil spill as the longer it goes on, the more harm to the environment there will be, which inturn opens more people up to the idea of "cap and trade" and "green" fuel sources that are right now inefficient.
I agree with the lead elephant, Led Elephant. What a great name for a band

I do believe Obama and others who think like him would willingly sacrifice the US economy to bring the "change" they want.
 
spanko

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
.....Where I disagree is the comment that he is Evil and would gladly sacrifice U.S. lives if it would further his marxcist agenda. I have seen nothing to support this....
I wonder if the people of then China, the Soviet Union, Cuba etc. said the same thing. I think we as humans tend to not worry about the things that seem so far fetched to us. But instead we come to arms over the things that seem to be possible no matter how mundane they are.
I think we need to be engaged here and vigilant less the whole house comes tumbling down around us.
 
slice

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3279505
I do believe Obama and others who think like him would willingly sacrifice the US economy to bring the "change" they want.
"All we need is the right major crisis," said David Rockefeller -- one of the most powerful change agents behind the scenes, "and the nations will accept the New World Order."
-David Rockefeller speaking at the UN, Sept. 14, 1994.
"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste. 'This crisis provides the opportunity for us to do things that you could not do before."
- President Obama's Chief of Staff, Rahm Emanuel
 
darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by spanko
http:///forum/post/3279506
I wonder if the people of then China, the Soviet Union, Cuba etc. said the same thing. I think we as humans tend to not worry about the things that seem so far fetched to us. But instead we come to arms over the things that seem to be possible no matter how mundane they are.
I think we need to be engaged here and vigilant less the whole house comes tumbling down around us.
True, I will conceed that regarding those evil leaders. However, one does not know evil until evil makes itself known.Evil has not made itself known in regards to our President. Does this mean we should relax? By no means, no. All I am saying is drop the "evil" terms when referencing him. Case in point...when debating with a liberal and they start off by calling Bush evil....how closely did you pay attention to them after that comment was uttered? Did you automatically label them a moron? I am sure you did. The same is true here in reverse. As I stated, we will not know who is evil or what is evil until something is done to make the evilness known....
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3279525
True, I will conceed that regarding those evil leaders. However, one does not know evil until evil makes itself known.Evil has not made itself known in regards to our President. Does this mean we should relax? By no means, no. All I am saying is drop the "evil" terms when referencing him. Case in point...when debating with a liberal and they start off by calling Bush evil....how closely did you pay attention to them after that comment was uttered? Did you automatically label them a moron? I am sure you did. The same is true here in reverse. As I stated, we will not know who is evil or what is evil until something is done to make the evilness known....
I don't think Obama is evil. Pelosi yes but not Obama

I agree about not overplaying your hand. I heard people calling Clinton a Communist and just laughed. But he looks like John Birch compared to Obama. I slip up sometimes but I try to make a point of using "Left Winger" rather than Liberal to describe the nut cases out there cause liberal is a mainstream political tradition in this country. I might not always agree with the agenda but I can at least respect that it is a valid point of view.
 
spanko

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3279525
True, I will conceed that regarding those evil leaders. However, one does not know evil until evil makes itself known.Evil has not made itself known in regards to our President. Does this mean we should relax? By no means, no. All I am saying is drop the "evil" terms when referencing him. Case in point...when debating with a liberal and they start off by calling Bush evil....how closely did you pay attention to them after that comment was uttered? Did you automatically label them a moron? I am sure you did. The same is true here in reverse. As I stated, we will not know who is evil or what is evil until something is done to make the evilness known....
Point taken.
 
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Or the lastest one. Jihndal flat out told Skimmers to get to work. The COast Gaurd SHUT THEM DOWN. Why they needed to do a Saftey Inspection for Life Preservers and Fire checks before they would let them work. No wonder the Beaches are going to HELL Obama heads at the Agencys needed have REFUSED TO PULL THE REGS NEEDED SO THESE PEOPLE CAN WORK. I looked the States have Suspeneded the HOS REgs for the OTR Truckers hauling anything needed for the Cleanup of this spill Normally the Feds would also THEY HAVE NOT DONE IT AND ARE NOT GOING TO. So if your a driver that gets auditted hauling Relief supplies and you were running OVER THE HOURS OF SERVICE REGULATIONS SAY BYE BYE TO YOUR CAREER.
 
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Yeah this along with th moratorium on off shore deep water drilling. that puts thousands out of work, not just on the rigs but all of the supplier also. What happend to savin and creatin, creatin and a savin jobs?
Something just reeks here. I am being to wonder is there really is a conspiracy to make this so bad that the cap and tax bill gets passed? (never let a good emergency go to waste?)
 
slice

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Originally Posted by spanko
http:///forum/post/3279766
Can anyone explain the rationale behind not letting in the Dutch tankers to skim the gulf?
Are you asking why the Jones Act has not been suspended as it was during the Exxon Valdez spill? If so, your next post may answer that question.
 
reefraff

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This is what happens when the president is in the pocket of the unions. They would have a fit if non union people collect money from the government. Wish they felt that way about welfare and illegal aliens.
 
darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3279811
This is what happens when the president is in the pocket of the unions. They would have a fit if non union people collect money from the government. Wish they felt that way about welfare and illegal aliens.
The "thinking" is the jones act left in place will "boost" the economy in the area. Or keep it "level....DUMBASSES.
 
spanko

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Suspension: temporary delay, interruption, or cessation
Stupid senator. Get the gulf cleaned up before more damage is done, then go back to the act if we have to.
Must be drinking his pineapple juice fermented!
 
reefraff

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Tell ya what. I thought talk of Republicans taking back the house and senate was pie in the sky but I am beginning to wonder. When BSNBC even starts complaining about him.... Latest is they are going to sue Arizona over the immigration law. Why? ACLU and other communist and open borders groups are suing, why do the feds need to jump in? Don't get that, it's pollitically stupid. They should just lay back and express support for the other suits.
Oh, another looming crisis. Flood insurance. 19 Billion in debt. Democrats want to reauthorize the program, Republicans want reforms. Currently 1% of the claims are for homes that are repaired or rebuilt numerous times. 1%. Yet they account for 40% of the cost of the claims. At what point do we say no more?
PS. Now it appears Hillary Clinton was talking out her neither region again when she said they were suing Az. Still under review.
 
spanko

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Now I am just sitting at my desk burning. I wonder what "Senior Sen. Daniel Inouye" (I think I just threw up in my mouth a little) would be saying if tar balls were washing up on Lanikai, Papohaku, or any of the beautiful beaches in Hawaii. And again what is with the president. Looking around I see that Bush suspended if for the clean up of the Exxon Valdez. These folks are on (or from) some other planet!!
 
spanko

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3279819
Tell ya what. I thought talk of Republicans taking back the house and senate was pie in the sky but I am beginning to wonder. When BSNBC even starts complaining about him.... Latest is they are going to sue Arizona over the immigration law. Why? ACLU and other communist and open borders groups are suing, why do the feds need to jump in? Don't get that, it's pollitically stupid. They should just lay back and express support for the other suits.
Oh, another looming crisis. Flood insurance. 19 Billion in debt. Democrats want to reauthorize the program, Republicans want reforms. Currently 1% of the claims are for homes that are repaired or rebuilt numerous times. 1%. Yet they account for 40% of the cost of the claims. At what point do we say no more?
PS. Now it appears Hillary Clinton was talking out her neither region again when she said they were suing Az. Still under review.
I wonder what would happen if a state like Arizona or Louisiana actually decided to secede. Heard a lady on one of the talk shows this morning say the states, since they collect the taxes to forward on to the feds, should all just stop sending it. Let the fools sit in their offices in Mordor on the Potomac and diddle each other. Then when they are gone, start a new constitutional government somewhere else.
IDK it is just so exasperating sometimes.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by spanko
http:///forum/post/3279825
I wonder what would happen if a state like Arizona or Louisiana actually decided to secede. Heard a lady on one of the talk shows this morning say the states, since they collect the taxes to forward on to the feds, should all just stop sending it. Let the fools sit in their offices in Mordor on the Potomac and diddle each other. Then when they are gone, start a new constitutional government somewhere else.
IDK it is just so exasperating sometimes.
Gotta have a sea port so you need Az, New Mexico and Texas to go together and form New America, I'd immigrate there, LEGALLY!!!
 
bionicarm

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Didn't want to start another thread. Saw this Newsweek article on the comparison of Margaret Thatcher and Sarah Palin, and got a good laugh with these:
Eager to explore how much Palin and Thatcher have in common, and in the spirit of good fun, we thought we'd contrast some of their most famous statements:
ON RUSSIA/SOVIET UNION
Thatcher: "I like Mr Gorbachev. We can do business together." —Interview with BBC television, Dec. 17, 1984
Palin: "As Putin rears his head and comes into the airspace of the United States of America, where—where do they go? It's Alaska." —Interview with CBS's Katie Couric, Sept. 24, 2008
ON SHOWING RESOLVE IN POLITICS
Thatcher: "This lady is not for turning." —To doubters at the Conservative Party conference, Oct. 10, 1980
Palin: "elected is replaceable; Ak WILL progress! + side benefits=10 dys til less politically correct twitters fly frm my fingertps outside State site." —Tweet following her surprise resignation as Alaska governor, July 17, 2009
ON BEING PREPARED
Thatcher: "It is always important in matters of high politics to know what you do not know. Those who think they know, but are mistaken, and act upon their mistakes, are the most dangerous people to have in charge." —From her book Statecraft: Strategies for a Changing World, 2002, page 104
Palin: "I answered [John McCain] yes because I have the confidence in that readiness and knowing that you can't blink, you have to be wired in a way of being so committed to the mission, the mission that we're on reform of this country and victory in the war you can't blink. So I didn't blink then, even when asked to run as his running mate." —Interview with ABC's Charlie Gibson, Sept. 11, 2008
ON POLITICAL PHILOSOPHY
Thatcher: "I would just like to remember some words of Saint Francis of Assisi which I think are really just particularly apt at the moment. Where there is discord, may we bring harmony. Where there is error, may we bring truth. Where there is doubt, may we bring faith. And where there is despair, may we bring hope." —On winning the 1979 general election, May 4, 1979
Palin: "How's that hopey-changey stuff workin'+ out for ya? —Addressing the Tea Party convention, Feb. 6, 2010
ON EUROPE
Thatcher: "Europe in anything other than the geographical sense is a wholly artificial construct. It makes no sense at all to lump together Beethoven and Debussy, Voltaire and Burke, Vermeer and Picasso, Notre Dame and St Paulas, boiled beef and bouillabaisse, and portray them as elements of a Europeana musical, philosophical, artistic, architectural or gastronomic reality. If Europe charms us, as it has so often charmed me, it is precisely because of its contrasts and contradictions, not its coherence and continuity." —From Statecraft: Strategies for a Changing World, 2002, page 328
Palin: "You've added a lot of energy to your country with that beautiful family of yours." —To a Canadian radio prankster who tricked her into believing he was French President Nicolas Sarkozy, Nov. 1, 2008
ON THEIR RESPECTIVE 'FIRST DUDES'
Thatcher: "I could never have been prime minister for more than 11 years without Denis by my side." —From her autobiography, The Path to Power, 1995
Palin: "Divorce Todd? Have you seen Todd? I may be just a renegade hockey mum, but I'm not blind!" —Rebutting rumors, Aug. 2, 2009
ON LEADERSHIP STYLE
Thatcher: "What Britain needs is an iron lady." —Citing the moniker given her by the Soviet newspaper Red Star
Palin: "Thank you so much for showin' up! First stop on the tour. There's just something about Michigan. I couldn't wait to get back to Michigan. Alaska and Michigan have so much in common, with the huntin' and the fishin' and the hockey moms." —Day one of the Going Rogue book tour, Nov. 16, 2009
 
spanko

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They want this to continue to further their cry for cap and trade.
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/bp-oil-spil...ry?id=10946379
"From the moment the organizer enters a community he lives, dreams... only one thing and that is to build the mass power base of what he calls the army. Until he has developed that mass power base, he confronts no major issues.... Until he has those means and power instruments, his 'tactics' are very different from power tactics. Therefore, every move revolves around one central point: how many recruits will this bring into the organization, whether by means of local organizations, churches, service groups, labor Unions, corner gangs, or as individuals."
"Change comes from power, and power comes from organization." p.113
"The first step in community organization is community disorganization. The disruption of the present organization is the first step toward community organization. Present arrangements must be disorganized if they are to be displace by new patterns.... All change means disorganization of the old and organization of the new." p.116
Saul Alinsky......
 
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