The presidential address 15-June-2010

reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3279861
Didn't want to start another thread. Saw this Newsweek article on the comparison of Margaret Thatcher and Sarah Palin, and got a good laugh with these:
Eager to explore how much Palin and Thatcher have in common, and in the spirit of good fun, we thought we'd contrast some of their most famous statements:
ON RUSSIA/SOVIET UNION
Thatcher: "I like Mr Gorbachev. We can do business together." —Interview with BBC television, Dec. 17, 1984
Palin: "As Putin rears his head and comes into the airspace of the United States of America, where—where do they go? It's Alaska." —Interview with CBS's Katie Couric, Sept. 24, 2008
ON SHOWING RESOLVE IN POLITICS
Thatcher: "This lady is not for turning." —To doubters at the Conservative Party conference, Oct. 10, 1980
Palin: "elected is replaceable; Ak WILL progress! + side benefits=10 dys til less politically correct twitters fly frm my fingertps outside State site." —Tweet following her surprise resignation as Alaska governor, July 17, 2009
ON BEING PREPARED
Thatcher: "It is always important in matters of high politics to know what you do not know. Those who think they know, but are mistaken, and act upon their mistakes, are the most dangerous people to have in charge." —From her book Statecraft: Strategies for a Changing World, 2002, page 104
Palin: "I answered [John McCain] yes because I have the confidence in that readiness and knowing that you can't blink, you have to be wired in a way of being so committed to the mission, the mission that we're on reform of this country and victory in the war you can't blink. So I didn't blink then, even when asked to run as his running mate." —Interview with ABC's Charlie Gibson, Sept. 11, 2008
ON POLITICAL PHILOSOPHY
Thatcher: "I would just like to remember some words of Saint Francis of Assisi which I think are really just particularly apt at the moment. Where there is discord, may we bring harmony. Where there is error, may we bring truth. Where there is doubt, may we bring faith. And where there is despair, may we bring hope." —On winning the 1979 general election, May 4, 1979
Palin: "How's that hopey-changey stuff workin'+ out for ya? —Addressing the Tea Party convention, Feb. 6, 2010
ON EUROPE
Thatcher: "Europe in anything other than the geographical sense is a wholly artificial construct. It makes no sense at all to lump together Beethoven and Debussy, Voltaire and Burke, Vermeer and Picasso, Notre Dame and St Paulas, boiled beef and bouillabaisse, and portray them as elements of a Europeana musical, philosophical, artistic, architectural or gastronomic reality. If Europe charms us, as it has so often charmed me, it is precisely because of its contrasts and contradictions, not its coherence and continuity." —From Statecraft: Strategies for a Changing World, 2002, page 328
Palin: "You've added a lot of energy to your country with that beautiful family of yours." —To a Canadian radio prankster who tricked her into believing he was French President Nicolas Sarkozy, Nov. 1, 2008
ON THEIR RESPECTIVE 'FIRST DUDES'
Thatcher: "I could never have been prime minister for more than 11 years without Denis by my side." —From her autobiography, The Path to Power, 1995
Palin: "Divorce Todd? Have you seen Todd? I may be just a renegade hockey mum, but I'm not blind!" —Rebutting rumors, Aug. 2, 2009
ON LEADERSHIP STYLE
Thatcher: "What Britain needs is an iron lady." —Citing the moniker given her by the Soviet newspaper Red Star
Palin: "Thank you so much for showin' up! First stop on the tour. There's just something about Michigan. I couldn't wait to get back to Michigan. Alaska and Michigan have so much in common, with the huntin' and the fishin' and the hockey moms." —Day one of the Going Rogue book tour, Nov. 16, 2009
Least she know how many states we have

Funny stuff.
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW
http:///forum/post/3279890
New Mexico is to "liberal"....they would never do it....
My worst fear would be they'd elect Gov. Rick Perry as President. He's already hinted at secession once on his own...
 
bionicarm

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3279944
Texas is one of a few states with a chance of success.
Sure we can. I imagine we could go and tap back into those capped wells we have all over West Texas and suck enough out to keep 'Texas' cars and other oil-dependent devices running. Don't need no stinking oil for heat in the winter. We also have a couple nuclear plants for electricity. The hardest part of the endeavor would be putting up the huge wall around Louisiana, Oklahoma, and New Mexico to keep the rest of you 'illegals' out of our newly-formed country.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/3280026
Sure we can. I imagine we could go and tap back into those capped wells we have all over West Texas and suck enough out to keep 'Texas' cars and other oil-dependent devices running. Don't need no stinking oil for heat in the winter. We also have a couple nuclear plants for electricity. The hardest part of the endeavor would be putting up the huge wall around Louisiana, Oklahoma, and New Mexico to keep the rest of you 'illegals' out of our newly-formed country.

They are probably opening up those old wells in the west already. I remember reading something about a company down there opening up old fields that were abandoned back in the 40's and 50's and finding that new oil was finding it's way into formations. Lots of those wells would have been considered productive today even using the old technology that was around when they were abandoned.
 
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Obama and the vision thing
By Charles Krauthammer
Friday, June 18, 2010
Barack Obama doesn't do the mundane. He was sent to us to do larger things. You could see that plainly in his Oval Office address on the gulf oil spill. He could barely get himself through the pedestrian first half: a bit of BP-bashing, a bit of faux-Clintonian "I feel your pain," a bit of recovery and economic mitigation accounting. It wasn't until the end of the speech -- the let-no-crisis-go-to-waste part that tried to leverage the Gulf Coast devastation to advance his cap-and-trade climate-change agenda -- that Obama warmed to his task.
Pedestrian is beneath Obama. Mr. Fix-It he is not. He is world-historical, the visionary, come to make the oceans recede and the planet heal.
How? By creating a glorious, new, clean green economy. And how exactly to do that? From Washington, by presidential command and with tens of billions of dollars thrown around. With the liberal (and professorial) conceit that scientific breakthroughs can be legislated into existence, Obama proposes to give us a new industrial economy.
But is this not what we've been trying to do for decades with ethanol, which remains a monumental boondoggle, economically unviable and environmentally damaging to boot? As with yesterday's panacea, synfuels, into which Jimmy Carter poured billions.
Notice that Obama no longer talks about Spain, which until recently he repeatedly cited for its visionary subsidies of a blossoming new clean energy industry. That's because Spain, now on the verge of bankruptcy, is pledged to reverse its disastrously bloated public spending, including radical cuts in subsidies to its uneconomical photovoltaic industry.
There's a reason petroleum is such a durable fuel. It's not, as Obama fatuously suggested, because of oil company lobbying but because it is very portable, energy-dense and easy to use.
But this doesn't stop Obama from thinking that he can mandate into being a superior substitute. His argument: Well, if we can put a man on the moon, why not this?
Aside from the irony that this most tiresome of cliches comes from a president who is canceling our program to return to the moon, it is utterly meaningless. The wars on cancer and on poverty have been similarly sold. They remain unwon. Why? Because we knew how to land on the moon. We had the physics to do it. Cancer cells, on the other hand, are far more complex than the Newtonian equations that govern a moon landing. Equally daunting are the laws of social interaction -- even assuming there are any -- that sustain a culture of poverty.
Similarly, we don't know how to make renewables that match the efficiency of fossil fuels. In the interim, it is Obama and his Democratic allies who, as they dream of such scientific leaps, are unwilling to use existing technologies to reduce our dependence on foreign (i.e., imported) and risky (i.e., deep-water) sources of oil -- twin dependencies that Obama decried in Tuesday's speech.
"Part of the reason oil companies are drilling a mile beneath the surface of the ocean," said Obama, is "because we're running out of places to drill on land and in shallow water."
Running out of places on land? What about the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge or the less-known National Petroleum Reserve -- 23 million acres of Alaska's North Slope, near the existing pipeline and designated nearly a century ago for petroleum development -- that have been shut down by the federal government?
Running out of shallow-water sources? How about the Pacific Ocean, a not inconsiderable body of water, and its vast U.S. coastline? That's been off-limits to new drilling for three decades.
We haven't run out of safer and more easily accessible sources of oil. We've been run off them by environmentalists. They prefer to dream green instead.
Obama is dreamer in chief: He wants to take us to this green future "even if we're unsure exactly what that looks like. Even if we don't yet precisely know how we're going to get there." Here's the offer: Tax carbon, spend trillions and put government in control of the energy economy -- and he will take you he knows not where, by way of a road he knows not which.
That's why Tuesday's speech was received with such consternation. It was so untethered from reality. The gulf is gushing, and the president is talking mystery roads to unknown destinations. That passes for vision, and vision is Obama's thing. It sure beats cleaning up beaches.
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reefraff

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The whole green energy thing is OK by but let the market dictate when is happens. Taxing us out of old technology is absurd.
How about making the first 10 years of profit from green electrical production tax free. Sure the feds won't make any money on it for that period of time but it (we) wont have to pay for it up front either and at the same time they will have the tax revenue from the employees.
I still say we should just end corporate tax for any US based company. The extra money is going to still be taxed in one form or another, salaries or dividends most of which are probably subject to a higher tax rate than the corporation would pay.
 
spanko

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Charles Krauthammer always seems to make a lot of sense to me. An I here you reef, let the market wizards seize the opportunity to develop another source of energy. In the meantime drill and build more nuclear power plants.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by spanko
http:///forum/post/3280204
Charles Krauthammer always seems to make a lot of sense to me. An I here you reef, let the market wizards seize the opportunity to develop another source of energy. In the meantime drill and build more nuclear power plants.
The government has to be involved in Nuke plants as in helping to build them instead of blocking them but other than that should stay out of the way other than sensible regulations.
 
spanko

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Agree with the help building the power plants. didn't the president recently say that we are going to build more?
 
ironeagle2006

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What the Blathering Idiot Says (obama) and what HE DOES IS 2 DIFFERANT THINGS. He ran on if you make more than 250K you will NOT SEE ANY TAX INCREASES OF ANY KIND. Lets see here let Bushes Tax Cuts Expire to me that is a Tax INCREASE he Raised Tobacco Taxes and a few other Taxes. To me those are Taxe Increases. Then there is the Mandated Health care. He first stated it was NOT A TAX. Yet his Justice Department to try and win all the legal challenges is CALLING IT A TAX to make it legal so what is it a tax or NOT. I can go on and on about him runn a Transparnet goverment or not having Lobbists in his Administration. Considering he put the HEAD of a Labor Union as a Recess appointment on the NLRB speaks volumes there considering that guy lost an UP AND DOWN VOTE IN THE SENATE.
Then there is how he has shaken down all the Industrys left in the Nation first the Banks then the Autos now Oil what is left the RR's he does that I am going to move to freaking Europe were at least they use LUBE before they bend me over.
 
reefraff

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Obazma wants to pass a energy bill he says will necessarily cause energy prices to skyrocket, his exact words, not mine. I dunno about you guys but if gas an electric go up it leaves me less to spend on consumer goods that are propping up the economy right now.
 
spanko

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Reef, you inconsiderate racist! It would however give the government more money to help the have nots in the country including the illegals and hence cement more votes for his agenda. Where is your heart man! You have enough stuff, you don't need more!
 
ironeagle2006

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Spanko I am on SSDI and most people that meet me think I am a Democrat becuase of my mother. However I am as Conservative as it comes. I want the border Secured all the Illegals that are here DEPORTED along with their Anchor kids even if they are adults. Then to prevent more illegals from crossing the border use remote controlled 50 caliber machine guns.
As for Obamas Energy policy aka Cap and Trade here is what will happen if he gets it. OTR trucking prices will Double Airline fares will double if not triple. Your gas prices will Triple since the final product is shipped via truck and their costs are going to be double. Then we have Electricaty will more than likely Double Natural Gas will Double. Most in this nation scrape by month to month let alone have anything left over and he wants to raise energy cost double as to what they are now. Energy and Food are NOT IN THE CORE RATE OF INFLATION.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by ironeagle2006
http:///forum/post/3280429
Spanko I am on SSDI and most people that meet me think I am a Democrat becuase of my mother. However I am as Conservative as it comes. I want the border Secured all the Illegals that are here DEPORTED along with their Anchor kids even if they are adults. Then to prevent more illegals from crossing the border use remote controlled 50 caliber machine guns.
As for Obamas Energy policy aka Cap and Trade here is what will happen if he gets it. OTR trucking prices will Double Airline fares will double if not triple. Your gas prices will Triple since the final product is shipped via truck and their costs are going to be double. Then we have Electricaty will more than likely Double Natural Gas will Double. Most in this nation scrape by month to month let alone have anything left over and he wants to raise energy cost double as to what they are now. Energy and Food are NOT IN THE CORE RATE OF INFLATION.
You are exaggerating. Prices are only expected to increase 90% according to the credible studies I've seen.
Seriously I don't think Obama could get cap and slap through right now. Watch the headlines regarding doctors refusing to take new Medicare/Medicaid patients over the next few months. Obama is likely going to have to shift his attention to saving Obama care. The supreme court nominee is going to take a month, then you have all the congress members heading out for the campaign trail and a third of the Senate.
 
ironeagle2006

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Reef I am going off of the People that are in the Industry that Know what it will actually COST them in Actual costs. When everything you have is hauled by them at one time or another to get to you except the air you breathe it will cost alot more to get anything. They will have no choice but to Double their rates just to cover their costs to move anything and then the spiral starts from there. Even the RR's will be affected big time since their largest Revenue sources are 2 things Intermodal which means Containers and Trailers they move on flat and well cars and COAL. The carbon tax on coal will Bankrupt the Coal indusrty and take out the 2 major RR's in the west alone.
 
reefraff

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Originally Posted by ironeagle2006
http:///forum/post/3280453
Reef I am going off of the People that are in the Industry that Know what it will actually COST them in Actual costs. When everything you have is hauled by them at one time or another to get to you except the air you breathe it will cost alot more to get anything. They will have no choice but to Double their rates just to cover their costs to move anything and then the spiral starts from there. Even the RR's will be affected big time since their largest Revenue sources are 2 things Intermodal which means Containers and Trailers they move on flat and well cars and COAL. The carbon tax on coal will Bankrupt the Coal indusrty and take out the 2 major RR's in the west alone.
I think you missed it, you said doubled = 100%. I said 90%
 
reefraff

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Love how the press for the most part has treated Obama compared to Bush during Katrina but what's really funny is now they are going after the BP CEO for going to a yacht race, AFTER the chairman relieved him of his duties.
 
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