The Responsible Marine Aquarist Part2
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bigeyedfish
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well said broomer
wrassecal
Active Member
Originally posted by broomer5
The kicker is this ........
How does one get experienced without actually doing it ??
I read.
I try to take small steps.
I take the advise of those that do.
I avoid the advise of those that want to - but don't yet.
I try and let my tank evolve right along with my own growth and understanding of the "hobby"
I've made my share of mistakes as many have.
Was I being irresponsible ?
I didn't think so at the time.
I do now.
Hindsight, ain't it great?!
Here's another kicker...deciding on which advise of "those that do" to take, when many experienced and successful have differing edit: facts.
Oh yeah, and great post Broomer5
j21kickster
Active Member
Broomer-
Man- i dont know what that was but it sounded like the most perfect post i've read- I should get that engraved on a plaque and hang on my wall-
Thanks for the read
Man- i dont know what that was but it sounded like the most perfect post i've read- I should get that engraved on a plaque and hang on my wall-
Thanks for the read
I think the issue about upcoming regulation is that those who are strongly advocating for such will hit all aspects of the hobby trying to regulate--from the guy who does the collecting to the guy who ultimately buys. That is why aquaculture is going full speed ahead. As for the goal of this discussion, we as hobbyists should be doing our part as well---to conserve and respect the marine life we keep. But, if that doesn't turn you on and you really don't give a damn about a dumb fish or an animal that looks like rock, then just look at it from a purely self interest mode. If we don't take care now, then we won't have the hobby later. Also, being responsible saves you money and frustration.
stacyt
Active Member
As far as regulation goes, most wholesalers no this is coming, and they know it's probably going to lead to a ban on the majority of the importation of fish, and corals. This is why so many of the wholesalers have started to get into the aquacultured specimens. They're trying to get a jump on things ahead of time.
As far as people posting after the fact. I'm guilty of that myself. While I have not done it in a while, I have done it. I think that the BB is here to help those people along, and if they do something irresponsable, then the experienced one's here should steer them in the right direction. At least they are taking the time to post, knowing they made a mistake, and may catch some flak. I've talked to several people, and when I mention that what they are doing is wrong they just turn their heads, and usually say something like " Who cares. " I say for those that post after the fact, help them now, and let them know, in a polite manner, that next time they should research fiirst. I can go through the reef, fish, and beginner forum now, and find at least 1 post in each section, where someone has not done their research. Usually they are beginers, and should be pointed in the right direction.
As far as people posting after the fact. I'm guilty of that myself. While I have not done it in a while, I have done it. I think that the BB is here to help those people along, and if they do something irresponsable, then the experienced one's here should steer them in the right direction. At least they are taking the time to post, knowing they made a mistake, and may catch some flak. I've talked to several people, and when I mention that what they are doing is wrong they just turn their heads, and usually say something like " Who cares. " I say for those that post after the fact, help them now, and let them know, in a polite manner, that next time they should research fiirst. I can go through the reef, fish, and beginner forum now, and find at least 1 post in each section, where someone has not done their research. Usually they are beginers, and should be pointed in the right direction.
richard rendos
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rook
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In regards to the who to take advice from (don't remember who said it) I think, or at least this is what I do, everyones opinions, advice, facts ect are all relevent.
Even the most novice "hobbiest" in reef tanks can come up with very good questions or sides to arguements that may open other eyes or shed perspective to on going debates. Also, the experience reefkeeper, while knowledge through years of trials, success, failure and research can have wrong answers, or the experienced may be able to very successful keep a tank thirving, yet not really be able to tell you why it is thriving.
Everyones imput is important to the hobby for the hobby's ongoing success.
As for a responsible reefkeeper (although a reitteration of past replies) my definition would be someone who has a true desire to give the best possible care and enviroment for the reef to thrive, and shows that intent with diligent research. A responsible reefkeeper will make mistakes just as always, but it the desire and attempts to avoid mistakes, and fix them and learn from them that make you responsible.
IMO.
Even the most novice "hobbiest" in reef tanks can come up with very good questions or sides to arguements that may open other eyes or shed perspective to on going debates. Also, the experience reefkeeper, while knowledge through years of trials, success, failure and research can have wrong answers, or the experienced may be able to very successful keep a tank thirving, yet not really be able to tell you why it is thriving.
Everyones imput is important to the hobby for the hobby's ongoing success.
As for a responsible reefkeeper (although a reitteration of past replies) my definition would be someone who has a true desire to give the best possible care and enviroment for the reef to thrive, and shows that intent with diligent research. A responsible reefkeeper will make mistakes just as always, but it the desire and attempts to avoid mistakes, and fix them and learn from them that make you responsible.
IMO.
bang guy
Moderator
Originally posted by Richard Rendos
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This is an unfair statement.
Most of the Sharks were following the thread with great interest. Perhaps a really bad post happened that ruined it for everyone, I don't know. I wish we could bring it back and pull out the discussion that didn't involve personal attacks.
People - If someone has an opinion different from yours try to persuade them or perhaps read with an open mind. This is a discussion, not a personal vendetta against anyone.
About this thread. I think BigMac was right on target. The hobbiest need to KNOW that they can care for their corals.
I don't agree with some of the blanket statements but in general they are correct. I happen to have an Acropora
It was growing well in a VHO system otherwise I agree with BigMac that Acro need HID light. I don't know what's different about this one but it does well and I've fragged it several times. Do I recommend Acro under VHO? Absolutely not. Do I recommend this one? Sure, it had proven that it does well in VHO systems.
Know your coral BEFORE you buy!!
wrassecal
Active Member
Originally posted by Bang Guy
I happen to have an Acropora
It was growing well in a VHO system otherwise I agree with BigMac that Acro need HID light. I don't know what's different about this one but it does well and I've fragged it several times. Do I recommend Acro under VHO? Absolutely not. Do I recommend this one? Sure, it had proven that it does well in VHO systems.
Know your coral BEFORE you buy!!
Guy, 2 questions
1. If the research shows Acro needs HID and yours thrives under VHO then how could you have known your coral before you bought?
2. Can I get a frag of your acro, I only have VHO?
The mods here that have discussed the issue about the other thread really do no know what happened to it. We do know that some mods got emails about flaming and I'm assuming admin also got an email. Thus the thread got deleted. I agree, it would have been better to just edit out the problem areas, but that didn't happen. The topic discussed there was good and, I felt, that the discussion should continue, thus I re-initiated it here. The other thread is history now, and no one talking seems to know what happened. Thus, can we just move on now?? Or is there an interest in rolling along to the point that flaming starts on this thread as well? HMMMM.
David, here a a little piece that broke off while I was getting the pictinia home. Seems to be doing nicely. I'd never ship this coral. It stresses very easily, slimes profusely. I got this out of town and had to drive with it 4 hrs to get it back home with me. It really slimed bad, and bleached alot. Then, believe it or not, it did not like too much light [due to stress I'm guessing] thus I had to really put some effort in to protecting it from too much light while it recoved [even putting foil over my VHO's where the coral was to filter out direct light]. But, as you can see it recovered well, and so did the broken piece.
David, here a a little piece that broke off while I was getting the pictinia home. Seems to be doing nicely. I'd never ship this coral. It stresses very easily, slimes profusely. I got this out of town and had to drive with it 4 hrs to get it back home with me. It really slimed bad, and bleached alot. Then, believe it or not, it did not like too much light [due to stress I'm guessing] thus I had to really put some effort in to protecting it from too much light while it recoved [even putting foil over my VHO's where the coral was to filter out direct light]. But, as you can see it recovered well, and so did the broken piece.
sammystingray
Active Member
I was that "mod that was getting into it a bit", and I appologize if I got your thread deleted. The thread was actually quite civil before I started, but I sometimes go overboard....I'm not perfect. The only thing I regret, is that it was gone before we all made up.....I am 99% sure it was my fault the thread was deleted, and I do appologize. I don't think I was "laying into one of the kids".....first, I don't think he is a kid, and second, I was just trying to prove a point, and it isn't actually all that easy when the tank you are questioning is quite beautiful. Anyway, I do believe it was my fault, and I was personally hoping you would just restart it yourself. I am kind of just staying out of this one. No hard feelings to anyone in that thread I hope, and you know who you both are.
bang guy
Moderator
Originally posted by Wrassecal
Guy, 2 questions
1. If the research shows Acro needs HID and yours thrives under VHO then how could you have known your coral before you bought?
2. Can I get a frag of your acro, I only have VHO?
1 - As I stated in my post, it was growing well in the VHO system that I received the frag from.
2 - Sure.
I am in no way advocating placing Acropora under flourescent lighting. This individual piece seems to do well and it's worth propogating for that reason.
richard rendos
Active Member
Bang Guy - how is that an unfair statement? It is <font color = red>100% </font>accurate.
jim672
Member
I've tried to follow both of these threads. Broomer's thoughts are excellent.
Responsibility is a relative term. Like "beauty", it is in the eye of the beholder.
I think some people's responsiblity gauge, sadly, is in direct proportion to the size of their wallet.
My wife and I have raised three children. Some of the friends we encountered over the years had some pretty irresponsible parents. I wish there had been a Message Board like this but for parents, with so many caring, concerned members, that I could have directed these people to.
Jim
Responsibility is a relative term. Like "beauty", it is in the eye of the beholder.
I think some people's responsiblity gauge, sadly, is in direct proportion to the size of their wallet.
My wife and I have raised three children. Some of the friends we encountered over the years had some pretty irresponsible parents. I wish there had been a Message Board like this but for parents, with so many caring, concerned members, that I could have directed these people to.
Jim