The Responsible Marine Aquarist Part2

[bang guy]

Originally posted by Richard Rendos
Bang Guy - how is that an unfair statement? It is <font color = red>100% </font>accurate.
"A JACKSON THEATER EMPLOYEE WAS INJURED AFTER A MAN WITH A GUN FORCED HIS WAY INTO THE BUSINESS AND DEMANDED MONEY. ANYONE WITH INFORMATION IS ASKED TO CALL THE POLICE OR CRIME STOPPERS."
Richard, You live in Jackson and you see movies - hmmmmmm
I just resented your implication. It's my problem, not yours.
Peace.

 

[fshhub]

I don't blame bang guy, the statement sounds liek either we are playing games or just being unfair. whereas we are not and were not.
I too missed the fun, but it sounded like things did get out of hand from the email reports I got, and as mentioned Admin may have just deleted it based upon that alone. If that were the case, I am sure there was a reason. They generally do not get involoved, unless there is a problem.

 

[wrassecal]

Originally posted by Bang Guy
1 - As I stated in my post, it was growing well in the VHO system that I received the frag from.
2 - Sure.

1.OOPS No more of Sammy's elixar before I post on this thread, I was "otherwise" reading your "otherwise"
2. Thanks
Sammy I have no idea why the other thread was deleted, but if your statements did have anything to do with it, props to you for your response in this thread

 

[beth]

I think there have been some member comments here that implied suspicion that mods knew what happened to the old threat and just wasn't owning up to it. Ok, I can see why some may think that, but we've hashed over this already. What's the point of continuing to bring this up in this thread??? This is a continuation of the original thread's discussion which is much more important than finding out who deleted the original thread, isn't it? Lets talk about being responsible hobbyists.
Bang, can we make a deal?? Oh God, Mac is going to give me a tongue lashing....!
Also, Sammy, don't exclude yourself from this discussion.....but if you need some help in controling your temper than I can help you with that privately in the Shark Tank. hehehe

 

[wrassecal]

Yes, let's get back to it....We already know that Beth and Bang Guy are successfull with certain sps under vho. I would like to know if anyone else has had this kind of success, 1 year or longer.

 

[slick]

I too would like to appologize if some of my posts were the cause of the thread getting deleted. I too am not perfect and was having a bad day that day. No hard feelings.

 

[bang guy]

Beth - This is your thread. Would you like to go back and delete all the posts that are off-topic (including this one)? I can do it for you if you would like. I just don't want it to get deleted like the last one.
Sorry I steered it off course.
Guy

 

[overanalyzer]

Originally posted by Rook
Everyones imput is important to the hobby for the hobby's ongoing success.
As for a responsible reefkeeper (although a reitteration of past replies) my definition would be someone who has a true desire to give the best possible care and enviroment for the reef to thrive, and shows that intent with diligent research. A responsible reefkeeper will make mistakes just as always, but it the desire and attempts to avoid mistakes, and fix them and learn from them that make you responsible.
IMO.
hey all - how about some bullet pointed lists of what makes a responsible reef keeper?? My whole family just saw the Coral Reef adventure @ the imax theater and it was cool but hobbyists were not mentioned in terms of hte decline of reefs except for one brief topic. They did say, however, something along the line of trying to protect all reefs. Which, would by connection, mean that aquaculturing would be the way to go .....
In the last thread I asked for everyone to post a line a two about what makes a hobbyist a responsible hobbyist - just a statement of fact - no names - nothing ..... how about .... just some bullet points - I will compile them once we have a whole list so they are all in one place .....

 

[beth]

Bang, people had the opportunity to express concerns about what happened to the other thread, etc. Thus, I think that's behind us. I don't think we need to delete anything here. Anyone who wants to delete their own posts can, but, as far as I'm concerned the deleted thread issue is behind us, and we're still here discussing the important issue that Mac wanted to address. That's all that matters.
If I was to give any advice it would be for the new hobbyist to:
Spend 3 mos learning first before buying equiptment, or even deciding on setup. Read, learn, ask questions. Have a good working knowledge of the basics.
In all things be patient, go slow. Patience will reap you rewards. Hurrying along will cost you lives, money, frustration and headaches.
Qt all fish before putting them in your display tank.

 

[searcher]

Very interesting thread. I'm glad it's been restarted.
Just wanted to express my opinion. Reading and asking a lot of questions are all very important along with visiting the internet. But from my personal experience with this hobby(and many other things I've done) everything didn't really click until I actually started the aquarium.
I was lucky in that I had a great lfs that knew what I was working with.He refused to sell me animals that I couldn't handle. But not everyone is going to be that lucky. You can research an animal for a long time but once you're at the store a similar animal may be mislabeled and you bring home an inappropriate species. Additionally, there is a lot of conflicting information out there.
Sometimes, I believe that some of the more experienced aquarists are a little harsh on the begginers. By reading this board and posting questions they are being responsible. Obviously, the questions may be too late. But at least some one is learning something.
Beth's advice is simple, elegant and great. But that advice is really hard to follow when you first start and you're excited about the hobby.
I'd like to see some advice about picking a good LFS. Like I said I was lucky. But I know if I had a bad one there would have been a lot of wasted lives.

 

[beerman]

As I stated in the original discussion...LPS (and those that keep them) are much cooler then SPS anyway.

 

[wrassecal]

Along the theme of my sig line and not stating the obvious research, patience, research, patience......
My bullets would be 1. join or start a local group to learn from each other firsthand through the sharing of experiences. (Our little group around here got started just from the same people who kept running into each other at the lfs and found we were talking and comparing instead of buying)
I didn't start this way at all but now 2.whenever possible get aquacultured/tank raised or frag swap.
And tada! 3. Only put sps from Beth or Bang Guys tank under VHO (just kidding, just kidding )

 

[broncofish]

Originally posted by overanalyzer
In the last thread I asked for everyone to post a line a two about what makes a hobbyist a responsible hobbyist - just a statement of fact - no names - nothing ..... how about .... just some bullet points - I will compile them once we have a whole list so they are all in one place .....
~Researches anything before buying, no impluse buys.
~Does not buy a fish that will outgrow system unless the buying of a new system is a definate plan.(I have a nurse shark in a 100g, but I will buy a 250g someday, uh if I have the money uh maybe )
~ Buy aquacultered as often as possible, including rock, SPS, and softie frags, fish etc....
~When a level of knowledge and system stability is achieved give back to the aquarium hobby
- Frag, and sell the frags at an affordable price or trade frags
- If your fish are trying to breed, try and help them (http://www.breeders-registry.gen.ca.us/)
~Pass on knowledge to new aquarists.

 

[beth]

Originally posted by David S
hey beth I have some of that grass in the background of your frag it grows like crazy in my tank I have to keep plucking it out nothing will eat it. do you have to do the same thing ??
This is halimedia macro algae. Great stuff in my opinion. It is a primary filter source in my aquarium--in lieu of filtering equiptment . It is also a calcium based macro, thus, when the algae dies off and turns white, the dead "skeletons" form calcareous sand for my tank. The neatest thing it does, though, IMO, is that it is a safe haven for baby bristleworms, snails, brittles, etc. So many babies are in there just growing away---safe from big bad predators in the rest of the aquairum.
The one in my tank is getting a bit overgrown at this point. Will need to trim a bit soon. That is not fun, as I do everything I can to save the babies in there [the one's I can see at least].

 

[aileena]

I managed to stay out of the last post before it got deleted, but since I am in nyc on vacation and inside since the weather is lousy and rainy today I just have to speak my peace...

 

[aileena]

I managed to stay out of the last post before it got deleted, but since I am in nyc on vacation and inside since the weather is lousy and rainy today I just have to speak my peace...
I have had a lot of good advice off this board and many people have been very helpful...I do not post too often but I do try to check out whats going on as often as I can...either way although I have had lots of good advice there seems to be a lot of fanatic and zealous posts....those who have done this hobby for a while realize the do's and dont's...but there are more controversial topics like the clams and sps under vho's...I think this is a great board, but I think that a lot of people choose not to post or participate because its always the same people strongly advancing their opinion and bashing others experiences....
I don't know who said it here but they said your tank your choice...that person should be made a mod....when people read posts by senior memebers saying if you experiment with vhos and sps you are irresponsible and are ruining the hobby for the rest of us its a big turnoff...nothing worse than a zealous know it all...if you think its irresponsible thats cool its your opinion, and you have every right to say so. Its just not cool to bash those who wish to experiment and share their experiances...
I think if the board was a little more innovative and forward looking and attempted to find new ways to maintain life in our tanks people would be more forthcomming....anyway...just my 2 cents ... looks like it stopped rainning and I'm goin outside to see the city...

 

[slick]

Well said aileena

 

[ryebread]

Originally posted by aileena
I don't know who said it here but they said your tank your choice...that person should be made a mod....
Ask and you shall recieve!
Broomer5...........I command you to become a moderator this instant!! BOOOOM!!!
Moderator status has been granted........thank you for playing the Price of Life.

 

[naturelover]

I agree with aileena. I've learned a lot from this board, but never posted much. Way back people were just posting things, atleast it has changed. Now I just browse and stay out of too much posting. It is your tank and it is your choice. But keep in mind what ever you are killing is alive too so just don't rush into anything because it looked pretty. I have 2 * 400 MH and 4* 110 VHO's and still my only SPS is Hydnophora. So it is up to everyone to see how comfortable they are with reefkeeping before buying anything.

 

[slick]

I happen to agree with what aileena said. There are some on this board who think that things should be done a certian way or they won't work. Some of them are right, but others may not be right. Look at what happens when someone says they have a tang in a 29g tank. What happens? You have all these people jumping on them to remove the fish and blah blah blah. Are they right? Probally.
Does it mean you can't house a tang in a 29g tank for a while? Probally not. Like it or not there are some hard liners here and that is fine by me. But to say it dosen't happen is not accurate IMO.