The VP is....

stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by hlcroghan
http:///forum/post/2739374
I don't hate her. If Obama had picked her I would still vote for Obama because I generally agree with his views. Each one of the candidates has their own issues that I don't like and some that I do, but I sure as heck don't want a 70-something, sick old man who is likely to die during his term who supports keeping the war going for longer than we need to and his no-experience governor from a state that has a completely different set of issues than any other state has in the entire nation, to be the leaders of the most powerful nation in the world. Sorry but that is kind of unwise.
You really want to pick up the argument on "experience" he would have had to nominate me to lose that argument?
 
rylan1

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2739378
You really want to pick up the argument on "experience" he would have had to nominate me to lose that argument?
are you serious?
Lets throw Dems out of conversation...
If something were to happen to McCain... (god forbid.. I don't wish harm on anyone)
Would you trust Palin to be president? What about foreign relations?
 
hlcroghan

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2739378
You really want to pick up the argument on "experience" he would have had to nominate me to lose that argument?
Are you saying because he is not super-experienced, then that is a bad arguement?? Well, I agree he is not the most experienced person, but he is also not about to keel over dead either. Look at Kennedy...he was very young. Some of the better presidents have been on the younger side when they were elected. I fully believe that my arguement has merit. McCain has the same mindset as Bush. That is the one thing that I don't want to see again. That is what scares me.
 
1journeyman

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2739326
I don't like the pick.... if I were a Republican... I'd be against it because her experience isn't stellar... This will now be something Dems can attack.. or at least it will kill the attacks Repubs have made against Obama and experience.
2nd- McCain is 71/72.... has been regarded as not being in the best health... has had reaccuring cancer... among other issues... If McCain were to fall ill or worse... could this women lead.... she has no foreign experience...and is from a low population state that has a whole different set of issues than those of our other states.
This choice seems to be based on she is an attractive women... has republican values... with limited experience.... I'd be interested in knowing more about her...
Lastly, he needs someone who is a economy champion.... She isn't it.. I think chances would have been better w/ someone like Romney...
*You could well argue she has more experience than Obama. She has been a Governor and bee nresponsible for a State. Something Obama never did. Further she has more private executive experience than Obama. Please, bring on the experience argument.
*Obama is a smoker and an African American. Bring on the health attacks...
*Bring on the "she was picked because she is an attractive woman" argument and see how quickly it's pointed out what Biden said about Obama:
"“I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."
*"She's from a low population state". Sorry, someone remind me, What's the population of freakin Rhode Island?
*She has more executive experience than Biden, Obama combined.
I think it was a good pick. If nothing out it further hamstrings Obama's "i'm the candidate for change" mantra.
 
jmick

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Clinton didn't have a lot of experience when we became our pres and he was hands down the best president we've had over the last 30-40 years.
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2739395
are you serious?
Lets throw Dems out of conversation...
If something were to happen to McCain... (god forbid.. I don't wish harm on anyone)
Would you trust Palin to be president? What about foreign relations?
Compared to a jr senator. Absolutely.
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by hlcroghan
http:///forum/post/2739397
Are you saying because he is not super-experienced, then that is a bad arguement?? Well, I agree he is not the most experienced person, but he is also not about to keel over dead either. Look at Kennedy...he was very young. Some of the better presidents have been on the younger side when they were elected. I fully believe that my arguement has merit. McCain has the same mindset as Bush. That is the one thing that I don't want to see again. That is what scares me.
Lets not forget, McCain was offered the VP position with Kerry. Another time he was strongly courted to switch sides, to turn the balance in congress the dem way. Are you saying Bush could have been a dem?
Although I would love it, this McCain = Bush argument is just silly.
 
nacl freak

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Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2739346
I will say this for her, what she lacks in experience she makes up for it with a super sexy school teacher look.
Apparently Hilary has strong blood vessels or she would be in a coma after this announcement.
 
1journeyman

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2739395
are you serious?
Lets throw Dems out of conversation...
If something were to happen to McCain... (god forbid.. I don't wish harm on anyone)
Would you trust Palin to be president? What about foreign relations?
I freakin looove it.
Criticize the VP pick for lack of experience while your party's Presidential pick has less experience...
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2739424
Clinton didn't have a lot of experience when we became our pres and he was hands down the best president we've had over the last 30-40 years.
well, minus the debacles like black hawk down, selling missile secrets to the chinese, granting them Most favored nation status, turning down Osama when he was offered. His philandering while in office. The "wall between different forms of law enforcement". And the "recession" that bush inherited. I'd say he did a great job.
 
hlcroghan

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2739422
*You could well argue she has more experience than Obama. She has been a Governor and bee nresponsible for a State. Something Obama never did. Further she has more private executive experience than Obama. Please, bring on the experience argument.
*Obama is a smoker and an African American. Bring on the health attacks... Yeah and how much younger is he than McCain?? Way more likely to at least live through his term.
*Bring on the "she was picked because she is an attractive woman" argument and see how quickly it's pointed out what Biden said about Obama:
"“I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man." Yes this is true. I am saying Obama ONLY picked her because of this. She is a republican, has some minimal experience so people won't think it's a complete joke, and I can make sure that I tie in equality so that the democrats will think that I actually have this country's best interests at heart.
*"She's from a low population state". Sorry, someone remind me, What's the population of freakin Rhode Island? That state is in an area that has some of the same issues. Alaska is a state that is set away from all the others with completely different economic issues than the rest of the union.
*She has more executive experience than Biden, Obama combined.
I think it was a good pick. If nothing out it further hamstrings Obama's "i'm the candidate for change" mantra.
I didn't say that she was a bad choice either. I said I didn't like the motivation behind the pick. It reminds me of all the unethical things that Bush has done.
 
1journeyman

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2739438
well, minus the debacles like black hawk down, selling missile secrets to the chinese, granting them Most favored nation status, turning down Osama when he was offered. His philandering while in office. The "wall between different forms of law enforcement". And the "recession" that bush inherited. I'd say he did a great job.
*Don't forget the balanced budget (Oh wait, not his idea, came about after the Republican House shut down Washington...)
*Cutting the military by a third
*allowing half a dozen terrorist attacks to go unanswered
*Got impeached
 
t316

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2739438
well, minus the debacles like black hawk down, selling missile secrets to the chinese, granting them Most favored nation status, turning down Osama when he was offered. His philandering while in office. The "wall between different forms of law enforcement". And the "recession" that bush inherited. I'd say he did a great job.

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2739441
*Don't forget the balanced budget (Oh wait, not his idea, came about after the Republican House shut down Washington...)
*Cutting the military by a third
*allowing half a dozen terrorist attacks to go unanswered
*Got impeached

+1


Sounds like a real noble guy
 
stdreb27

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Originally Posted by hlcroghan
http:///forum/post/2739439
I didn't say that she was a bad choice either. I said I didn't like the motivation behind the pick. It reminds me of all the unethical things that Bush has done.
So picking a strong conservative is now unethical.
 
darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Originally Posted by hlcroghan
http:///forum/post/2739439
I didn't say that she was a bad choice either. I said I didn't like the motivation behind the pick. It reminds me of all the unethical things that Bush has done.

How is her as the VP pick of McCain unethical? Explain this please.
 
geridoc

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2739435
I freakin looove it.
Criticize the VP pick for lack of experience while your party's Presidential pick has less experience...
It is not possible to have less experience than being mayor of a "city" of 8500, and brief governor of a state of 670,000. Chicago has more people than that living in (hyperbole alert!) one square mile, and last time I checked, the legislative branch of congress governed about 2.7 million.
 
jdl

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Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2739424
Clinton didn't have a lot of experience when we became our pres and he was hands down the best president we've had over the last 30-40 years.

he had his hands down something that is for sure

best president 30-40 years

Edgar and Vonna Jo Gregory
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by GeriDoc
http:///forum/post/2739496
It is not possible to have less experience than being mayor of a "city" of 8500, and brief governor of a state of 670,000. Chicago has more people than that living in (hyperbole alert!) one square mile, and last time I checked, the legislative branch of congress governed about 2.7 million.
IMO there is a difference between being THE mayor or Governer vs. being a senator. It has been years, Since a senator has been elected to the presidency. Regardless of political affiliation.
Executive experience vs, senatorial experience for an Executive position leaves little question on who would be better qualified.
And regardless, you are talking about a veep. This isn't the question veep vs President. You can't argue qualifications without comparing apples to apples and discuss Obama vs. McCain.
 
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