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miaheatlvr
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Originally Posted by Squidward
http:///forum/post/2739800
Sorry Clinton DIDN'T Start this bogus war, your boy bush did. Saddens me that there's still people like you who think this war is worth all the thousands of innocent deaths of all people involved. Yeah the world is in better shape alright.
Republicans know how to use fear tactics to scare the American people. Sad but true.
Does it matter? And do I care? Hell no.
Ha ha, classy, real classy! Is it really such a guarded secret? Its a very generalized non invasive question. Its answers like that, that people can use their own imaginations and draw their own conclusions about you. lol
http:///forum/post/2739800
Sorry Clinton DIDN'T Start this bogus war, your boy bush did. Saddens me that there's still people like you who think this war is worth all the thousands of innocent deaths of all people involved. Yeah the world is in better shape alright.
Does it matter? And do I care? Hell no.
Ha ha, classy, real classy! Is it really such a guarded secret? Its a very generalized non invasive question. Its answers like that, that people can use their own imaginations and draw their own conclusions about you. lol
1knight164
Member
Originally Posted by VinnyRaptor
http:///forum/post/2739762
this all happened under Bush's watch. thats a fact! he didn't inherit any of these problems and certainly not ALL of them. he's incharge so he's responsable it's that's simple and plain to see.
Not to give my age away, but I remember a new term called "STAGFLATION", prime interest rate of 21%!!!, driving 55 mph sucked, and waiting in long gas lines was unbearable. And can't forget the failed hostage rescue. No blame on Carter, but it happened under his watch and historians dinged him on all.
http:///forum/post/2739762
this all happened under Bush's watch. thats a fact! he didn't inherit any of these problems and certainly not ALL of them. he's incharge so he's responsable it's that's simple and plain to see.
Not to give my age away, but I remember a new term called "STAGFLATION", prime interest rate of 21%!!!, driving 55 mph sucked, and waiting in long gas lines was unbearable. And can't forget the failed hostage rescue. No blame on Carter, but it happened under his watch and historians dinged him on all.
rylan1
Active Member
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2739804
And I still fail to see how it is Bush's fault New Orleans wasn't evacuated... He should write a disaster plan for every gulf coast city.
No its not just the events surrounding the days before or during the storm, but the events afterward.... the fact he had no idea about the damage... took forever to get there... and the relief effort...from then, and even until now...
And the fact that the city is stillin ruins..... This was the time when we needed to see his leadership.
http:///forum/post/2739804
And I still fail to see how it is Bush's fault New Orleans wasn't evacuated... He should write a disaster plan for every gulf coast city.
No its not just the events surrounding the days before or during the storm, but the events afterward.... the fact he had no idea about the damage... took forever to get there... and the relief effort...from then, and even until now...
And the fact that the city is stillin ruins..... This was the time when we needed to see his leadership.
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vinnyraptor
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are you kidding? i'm jumping right to Iraq first. read slowly and understand because alot of you forgot. WE INVADED IRAQ BECAUSE OF WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION! they were a "unique and immenent threat" ( your pres) not to liberate Iraqi's. the plan was to eliminate Saddam his army and the WMD's 3 to 6 months tops and a cost in the billions not trillions, thats what we were told, remember? Powell and Rummy testified to the U.N. that we had specific knowledge of these WMD's locations contradicting U.N. inspectors findings or lack there of. when we first invaded we immediatley took over the oil fields, not the ancient artifacts of babalyon, not the financial institutions, the oil.
when we couldnt find WMD's we changed the plan to operation Iraqi freedom. selective memory for most of you republicans, i know. we invaded a soveriegn nation on falsehoods or outright lies and then changed the reason we were there to cover our azzes. the truth is Iraq was no threat whatsoever and had no ties to Bin Laden the Taliban or Al Queda and they had no WMD's or an existing WMD program.
a recession is what we have now, a weak economy, rising inflation, a falling dollar, and an unpredicatable market. a surplus is what we had under Clinton, millions of new jobs, a strong dollar and a strong market.
Islam and democracy are like oil and water, it will never happen. why aren't we pushing for a democratic Saudi Arabia? in Saddam's Iraq women could work drive and teach an Christians were free to worship. none is the case in Saudi Arabia. why dont we care about them as much as the Iraqi's? why dont we care about the North Koreans? or freeing the people under Mugabi's rule in Africa?
do you REALLY think Bush was worried about the livelyhood of the Iraqi's when he wasn't even concerned about his own people during Katrina? and i already know your answer stability in the region. but at what cost? 750,000 Iraqi lives, 5,000 american lives, thousands more injured and trillions of dollars. not to mention we already have our strongest ally in the region in Israel, and friends in the Saudi's and U A E.
the Iraqi oil company made of Exxon, B.P. and others was kicked out of Iraq 36 years ago when Saddam took over and declared the oil fields national. 5 years after our occupation they're back. with a no bid contract to manage a portion of the fields now and take over more in the future.
your president compromised our security, our constitution, and our livelyhood to make his oil/military industrial complex friends rich! and used 9/11 as an exuse to do so. he's a criminal!
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2739747
Why don't you explain to us the difference between a recession and a budget surplus?
I'm still not seeing how Iraq is a fault for bush, to make a country like Iraq into a democracy stable enought to handle their own security within 10 years, especially in as volitile an area as the middle east should by any SANE analysis be a crowning achivement.
Unless you don't like democracy and would prefer some sort of dictatorial government...
when we couldnt find WMD's we changed the plan to operation Iraqi freedom. selective memory for most of you republicans, i know. we invaded a soveriegn nation on falsehoods or outright lies and then changed the reason we were there to cover our azzes. the truth is Iraq was no threat whatsoever and had no ties to Bin Laden the Taliban or Al Queda and they had no WMD's or an existing WMD program.
a recession is what we have now, a weak economy, rising inflation, a falling dollar, and an unpredicatable market. a surplus is what we had under Clinton, millions of new jobs, a strong dollar and a strong market.
Islam and democracy are like oil and water, it will never happen. why aren't we pushing for a democratic Saudi Arabia? in Saddam's Iraq women could work drive and teach an Christians were free to worship. none is the case in Saudi Arabia. why dont we care about them as much as the Iraqi's? why dont we care about the North Koreans? or freeing the people under Mugabi's rule in Africa?
do you REALLY think Bush was worried about the livelyhood of the Iraqi's when he wasn't even concerned about his own people during Katrina? and i already know your answer stability in the region. but at what cost? 750,000 Iraqi lives, 5,000 american lives, thousands more injured and trillions of dollars. not to mention we already have our strongest ally in the region in Israel, and friends in the Saudi's and U A E.
the Iraqi oil company made of Exxon, B.P. and others was kicked out of Iraq 36 years ago when Saddam took over and declared the oil fields national. 5 years after our occupation they're back. with a no bid contract to manage a portion of the fields now and take over more in the future.
your president compromised our security, our constitution, and our livelyhood to make his oil/military industrial complex friends rich! and used 9/11 as an exuse to do so. he's a criminal!
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2739747
Why don't you explain to us the difference between a recession and a budget surplus?
I'm still not seeing how Iraq is a fault for bush, to make a country like Iraq into a democracy stable enought to handle their own security within 10 years, especially in as volitile an area as the middle east should by any SANE analysis be a crowning achivement.
Unless you don't like democracy and would prefer some sort of dictatorial government...
geridoc
Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2739501
IMO there is a difference between being THE mayor or Governer vs. being a senator. It has been years, Since a senator has been elected to the presidency. Regardless of political affiliation.
Executive experience vs, senatorial experience for an Executive position leaves little question on who would be better qualified.
And regardless, you are talking about a veep. This isn't the question veep vs President. You can't argue qualifications without comparing apples to apples and discuss Obama vs. McCain.
Precisely. Since Mcain has "only" been a senator, I guess that Palin, in view of her vast executive experience, should be in the top spot!
http:///forum/post/2739501
IMO there is a difference between being THE mayor or Governer vs. being a senator. It has been years, Since a senator has been elected to the presidency. Regardless of political affiliation.
Executive experience vs, senatorial experience for an Executive position leaves little question on who would be better qualified.
And regardless, you are talking about a veep. This isn't the question veep vs President. You can't argue qualifications without comparing apples to apples and discuss Obama vs. McCain.
Precisely. Since Mcain has "only" been a senator, I guess that Palin, in view of her vast executive experience, should be in the top spot!
stdreb27
Active Member
Originally Posted by Squidward
http:///forum/post/2739800
Sorry Clinton DIDN'T Start this bogus war, your boy bush did. Saddens me that there's still people like you who think this war is worth all the thousands of innocent deaths of all people involved. Yeah the world is in better shape alright.
Republicans know how to use fear tactics to scare the American people. Sad but true.
Does it matter? And do I care? Hell no.
yawn, but your whole premise, just doesn't work, unless you thross out the FACT that Clinton and several other democrats before bush was even in office, said that exact same thing. so unless they were all lying. And in on the conspiracy then it doesn't hold water.
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2739815
No its not just the events surrounding the days before or during the storm, but the events afterward.... the fact he had no idea about the damage... took forever to get there... and the relief effort...from then, and even until now...
And the fact that the city is stillin ruins..... This was the time when we needed to see his leadership.
Once again, it isn't the federal governments job, It is dependent on state and local governments to handle the situation. And with the reports on the ground that it wasn't safe, (Because of all the "crime") Fema couldn't go in. Simple fact is, the local state governments dropped the ball. And dems were all to willing to pin it on GW.
And once again, it isn't Bush's job to rebuild NO. And honestly It is probably smart they didn't do a lot of rebuilding in the more risky zones. And the people that were really displaced, were not good people. Houston's crime has skyrocketed since Katrina.
http:///forum/post/2739800
Sorry Clinton DIDN'T Start this bogus war, your boy bush did. Saddens me that there's still people like you who think this war is worth all the thousands of innocent deaths of all people involved. Yeah the world is in better shape alright.
Does it matter? And do I care? Hell no.
yawn, but your whole premise, just doesn't work, unless you thross out the FACT that Clinton and several other democrats before bush was even in office, said that exact same thing. so unless they were all lying. And in on the conspiracy then it doesn't hold water.
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2739815
No its not just the events surrounding the days before or during the storm, but the events afterward.... the fact he had no idea about the damage... took forever to get there... and the relief effort...from then, and even until now...
And the fact that the city is stillin ruins..... This was the time when we needed to see his leadership.
Once again, it isn't the federal governments job, It is dependent on state and local governments to handle the situation. And with the reports on the ground that it wasn't safe, (Because of all the "crime") Fema couldn't go in. Simple fact is, the local state governments dropped the ball. And dems were all to willing to pin it on GW.
And once again, it isn't Bush's job to rebuild NO. And honestly It is probably smart they didn't do a lot of rebuilding in the more risky zones. And the people that were really displaced, were not good people. Houston's crime has skyrocketed since Katrina.
stdreb27
Active Member
Originally Posted by GeriDoc
http:///forum/post/2739822
Precisely. Since Mcain has "only" been a senator, I guess that Palin, in view of her vast executive experience, should be in the top spot!
Well, McCain isn't my first choice either...
But two decades in the senate is a little different than running for prez after 6 months...
I don't think senators make good presidents for the most part. It is a totally different style of decision making. A whole different kind of authority. From an administrative standpoint, I'm sure she brings A LOT to the table. That McCain or Obama hasn't learned from 1 out of 100 in the senate.
But once again, we've got what we've got, and when you compare the candidates and their veeps. There is NO way you can honestly expect to win an argument saying the Obama camp has more experience.
But then again about your conclusion to prove absurdity, isn't that what the dems are running. A guy whose been in the senate for what would be 3 years when he is inaugurated, and a life long senator a veep? Sure seems that way to me.
http:///forum/post/2739822
Precisely. Since Mcain has "only" been a senator, I guess that Palin, in view of her vast executive experience, should be in the top spot!
Well, McCain isn't my first choice either...
But two decades in the senate is a little different than running for prez after 6 months...
I don't think senators make good presidents for the most part. It is a totally different style of decision making. A whole different kind of authority. From an administrative standpoint, I'm sure she brings A LOT to the table. That McCain or Obama hasn't learned from 1 out of 100 in the senate.
But once again, we've got what we've got, and when you compare the candidates and their veeps. There is NO way you can honestly expect to win an argument saying the Obama camp has more experience.
But then again about your conclusion to prove absurdity, isn't that what the dems are running. A guy whose been in the senate for what would be 3 years when he is inaugurated, and a life long senator a veep? Sure seems that way to me.
1journeyman
Active Member
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2739555
Do you hear yourself.... deabacles like Iraq... Afganistan ... we are talking wars.... not 1 mission... CIA leak, wire-tapping, gov't credit cards, firing atty generals, Iraq...
The biggest one.... KATRINA
It will be widely regarded that Bush is worst president in modern history...sorry
Quick update for ya; We're winning in Iraq. Afghanistan was handed over to NATO. If you think it is a debaucle maybe you need to rethink your "world partnership" ideals.
CIA leak? Ya... that only has happened in this President's reign.
Wire tapping? Heck ya. You think the NSA started under president Bush???
Govt credit cards? Again, you think this is new?
Firing Attorney Generals? Umm, you do realize President Clinton is the one that fired all of them, right?
Katrina? FEMA responded when the idiotic democratic mayor asked them too; Not a moment before. That's how it works.
http:///forum/post/2739555
Do you hear yourself.... deabacles like Iraq... Afganistan ... we are talking wars.... not 1 mission... CIA leak, wire-tapping, gov't credit cards, firing atty generals, Iraq...
The biggest one.... KATRINA
It will be widely regarded that Bush is worst president in modern history...sorry
Quick update for ya; We're winning in Iraq. Afghanistan was handed over to NATO. If you think it is a debaucle maybe you need to rethink your "world partnership" ideals.
CIA leak? Ya... that only has happened in this President's reign.
Wire tapping? Heck ya. You think the NSA started under president Bush???
Govt credit cards? Again, you think this is new?
Firing Attorney Generals? Umm, you do realize President Clinton is the one that fired all of them, right?
Katrina? FEMA responded when the idiotic democratic mayor asked them too; Not a moment before. That's how it works.
jmick
Active Member
So it's ok for our federal government to risk the lives of our troops to bring "democracy" and help to rebuild Iraq but it's not their duty to help our own people? If it had been a predomintly white city the government would have been Johnny on the spot and Bush would have ended his vacation sooner.
Speaking of Hurricanes, I wonder what the RNC is gonna do if G. hits next week? I think most of the republicans won't let it put a stop to their boozing, whoring and toe tapping good times.
Speaking of Hurricanes, I wonder what the RNC is gonna do if G. hits next week? I think most of the republicans won't let it put a stop to their boozing, whoring and toe tapping good times.
stdreb27
Active Member
Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2739854
So it's ok for our federal government to risk the lives of our troops to bring "democracy" and help to rebuild Iraq but it's not their duty to help our own people? If it had been a predomintly white city the government would have been Johnny on the spot and Bush would have ended his vacation sooner.
Speaking of Hurricanes, I wonder what the RNC is gonna do if G. hits next week? I think most of the republicans won't let it put a stop to their boozing, whoring and toe tapping good times.
Oh yeah, I forgot, Bush the person up to this point is the one person who actually has appointed a black woman to sec of state, is a racist.
Simple fact is this, legally, we can't deploy US troops on US soil. That is why we have things like the National Guard/State Guard. There are checks and balances, that limit federal intervention is local maters. Like disaster relief.
Bush friggen called governor Blanco asking her to request help from the Government so he could deploy national guard troops and help evacuate people, BEFORE THE STORM and she said NO!
After clinton you have the balls to call republicans WHORING?
jmick
Active Member
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2739880
Oh yeah, I forgot, Bush the person up to this point is the one person who actually has appointed a black woman to sec of state, is a racist.
Simple fact is this, legally, we can't deploy US troops on US soil. That is why we have things like the National Guard/State Guard. There are checks and balances, that limit federal intervention is local maters. Like disaster relief.
Bush friggen called governor Blanco asking her to request help from the Government so he could deploy national guard troops and help evacuate people, BEFORE THE STORM and she said NO!
After clinton you have the balls to call republicans WHORING?
Clinton has charisma, he doesn't have to pay for.
http:///forum/post/2739880
Oh yeah, I forgot, Bush the person up to this point is the one person who actually has appointed a black woman to sec of state, is a racist.
Simple fact is this, legally, we can't deploy US troops on US soil. That is why we have things like the National Guard/State Guard. There are checks and balances, that limit federal intervention is local maters. Like disaster relief.
Bush friggen called governor Blanco asking her to request help from the Government so he could deploy national guard troops and help evacuate people, BEFORE THE STORM and she said NO!
After clinton you have the balls to call republicans WHORING?
Clinton has charisma, he doesn't have to pay for.
miaheatlvr
Active Member
Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2739917
Clinton has charisma, he doesn't have to pay for.
Ewww I wouldn't call Monica Lewinsky a great feat at all..
http:///forum/post/2739917
Clinton has charisma, he doesn't have to pay for.
Ewww I wouldn't call Monica Lewinsky a great feat at all..
reefraff
Active Member
Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2739854
So it's ok for our federal government to risk the lives of our troops to bring "democracy" and help to rebuild Iraq but it's not their duty to help our own people? If it had been a predomintly white city the government would have been Johnny on the spot and Bush would have ended his vacation sooner.
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Thats a pretty lame statement. You do realize there was and is damage outside NO that is still waiting to be rebuild as well and those areas are mostly white?
http:///forum/post/2739854
So it's ok for our federal government to risk the lives of our troops to bring "democracy" and help to rebuild Iraq but it's not their duty to help our own people? If it had been a predomintly white city the government would have been Johnny on the spot and Bush would have ended his vacation sooner.
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Thats a pretty lame statement. You do realize there was and is damage outside NO that is still waiting to be rebuild as well and those areas are mostly white?
reefraff
Active Member
Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2739917
Clinton has charisma, he doesn't have to pay for.
You see the escargot Clinton chases? He's an idiot for not getting paid.
I'm sorry, most powerful man on the planet and the best he could do was Monica. And you liberals have the nerve to call Bush stupid
http:///forum/post/2739917
Clinton has charisma, he doesn't have to pay for.
You see the escargot Clinton chases? He's an idiot for not getting paid.
I'm sorry, most powerful man on the planet and the best he could do was Monica. And you liberals have the nerve to call Bush stupid
salty blues
Active Member
Rylan, when are you gonna' learn?
If you're going to try to debate a topic, especially with 1journeyman you need to get your "facts" together first.
jennythebugg
Active Member
cool with me she sounds like a groovy chick
1journeyman
Active Member
Originally Posted by Squidward
http:///forum/post/2739669
lmao!!! What a STUPID choice! You mcwar supporters should be pissed! haha talk about a DESPERATE cheap attempt to get the hilary voters lol! hahahaha man this is pathetic!
This is the best mcwar can do?!!?? Man that's sad. Can't wait to see Biden OBLITERATE her in the debates.
Her 18 year old son is heading to Iraq. She is in favor of winning the War....
I seem to remember folks saying they couldn't wait to see Obama and McCain debate. How'd that work out for ya?
http:///forum/post/2739669
lmao!!! What a STUPID choice! You mcwar supporters should be pissed! haha talk about a DESPERATE cheap attempt to get the hilary voters lol! hahahaha man this is pathetic!
This is the best mcwar can do?!!?? Man that's sad. Can't wait to see Biden OBLITERATE her in the debates.
Her 18 year old son is heading to Iraq. She is in favor of winning the War....
I seem to remember folks saying they couldn't wait to see Obama and McCain debate. How'd that work out for ya?
1journeyman
Active Member
Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2739685
If he was also provided the questions before hand he would have. Anyone else notice how McCain was answering some of the questions before they were finished?
Completely false and just a lame excuse being passed around by Obama workers to cover for their candidates bad performance.
http:///forum/post/2739685
If he was also provided the questions before hand he would have. Anyone else notice how McCain was answering some of the questions before they were finished?
Completely false and just a lame excuse being passed around by Obama workers to cover for their candidates bad performance.
squidward
Member
Originally Posted by MiaHeatLvr
http:///forum/post/2739808
Ha ha, classy, real classy! Is it really such a guarded secret? Its a very generalized non invasive question. Its answers like that, that people can use their own imaginations and draw their own conclusions about you. lol
What did you want me to say? That I'm a black guy? Was that the case you were hoping for? ************************you do with your conservative buddies.
Learn to think on your own instead of following the rest of the sheep kid.
http:///forum/post/2739808
Ha ha, classy, real classy! Is it really such a guarded secret? Its a very generalized non invasive question. Its answers like that, that people can use their own imaginations and draw their own conclusions about you. lol
What did you want me to say? That I'm a black guy? Was that the case you were hoping for? ************************you do with your conservative buddies.