There is no such thing as good versus evil

[jmick]

Originally Posted by Clown Boy
My question is... why is Alexander the Great more credible than Jesus?
Alexander changed the face of the world, cities nealt before him or were crushed and you do have Alexandria to consider and the busts, paintings, coins and the fact that he controlled the largest empire of all time. I also believe that Aristotle was his tutor.

 

[darknes]

You guys do not understand, do you?
There is no proof that Jesus is God. There is no proof that God exists. It's about FAITH. We were given free will to choose for ourselves whether to believe or not. If God would prove himself to us, he would deny us of our gift of free will! We would no longer have the right to choose what we believe.
This discussion has been argued for thousands of years. Either you believe, or you don't. If you don't, may God have mercy on you.

 

[jmick]

Originally Posted by Darknes
You guys do not understand, do you?
There is no proof that Jesus is God. There is no proof that God exists. It's about FAITH. We were given free will to choose for ourselves whether to believe or not. If God would prove himself to us, he would deny us of our gift of free will! We would no longer have the right to choose what we believe.
This discussion has been argued for thousands of years. Either you believe, or you don't. If you don't, may God have mercy on you.
Since when it is a sin to question? Isn't one of the reasons we become educated to be able to ask questions? Should we believe everything we are told like mindless drones or should we ask questions to gain more knowledge? What would you have your children do?

 

[darknes]

Originally Posted by Jmick
Since when it is a sin to question? Isn't one of the reasons we become educated to be able to ask questions? Should we believe everything we are told like mindless drones or should we ask questions to gain more knowledge? What would you have your children do?
I never said it was a sin. I asked God to have mercy on you. Mercy doesn't necessarily mean forgiveness; it means compassion, benevolence, patience, and kindness. The phrase means for God to have patience with you and help you to find peace within yourself, whether it's belief in Him or not.
I ask questions about my religion all the time. Usually for me, though, it tends to further build up my faith.

 

[clown boy]

Question to those who disagree with me:
In a percentage, of all the things in the earth that there is to know, how much do you think that you know? Be honest, now...

 

[nigerbang]

Originally Posted by Clown Boy
Question to those who disagree with me:
In a percentage, of all the things in the earth that there is to know, how much do you think that you know? Be honest, now...
.00001%
"The Truly Wise Man Knows That He Knows Nothing"
I dont count though...I agree with ya..

 

[groupergenius]

Originally Posted by Jmick
Alexander changed the face of the world, cities nealt before him or were crushed and you do have Alexandria to consider and the busts, paintings, coins and the fact that he controlled the largest empire of all time. I also believe that Aristotle was his tutor.
Wow, theres a great comparison. Too bad Jesus didn't kick the crap out of the Mongols or something. The man was "flying under the radar" as he was meant to. I guess it's gotta be all up in your face for you to see.
I answered your questions, what about mine?

 

[jmick]

Originally Posted by GrouperGenius
Wow, theres a great comparison. Too bad Jesus didn't kick the crap out of the Mongols or something. The man was "flying under the radar" as he was meant to. I guess it's gotta be all up in your face for you to see.
I answered your questions, what about mine?

Which question didn't I address...the one about me being an Irish/Jew mutt?

 

[groupergenius]

Originally Posted by Jmick
Which question didn't I address...the one about me being an Irish/Jew mutt?
Mutt? I wouldn't put it that way. But since you did, maybe your a bit racist??
Personally being a bit of both of those bloodlines myself as well as German and Cherokee, I might take offense to your description.
I was thinking J for Jewish because they don't believe Jesus is the savior and mick is a common racist slang for Irish/American immigrants which you display the flag as your avatar.

 

[jmick]

Originally Posted by GrouperGenius
Wow, theres a great comparison. Too bad Jesus didn't kick the crap out of the Mongols or something. The man was "flying under the radar" as he was meant to. I guess it's gotta be all up in your face for you to see.
I answered your questions, what about mine?

Are you telling me that a man who was said to turn water to wine, heal the sick, cure the blind and raise the dead was "flying under the radar". If he was flying under the radar as you put it, then why in the stories did the Jewish priests feel so threatened by him? Just because you don't sack nations and rule the majority of the world doesn't mean you fly under the radar. MLK, Thomas Paine, Ghandi come to mind as men who changed the world with words.

 

[jmick]

Originally Posted by GrouperGenius
Mutt? I wouldn't put it that way. But since you did, maybe your a bit racist??
Personally being a bit of both of those bloodlines myself as well as German and Cherokee, I might take offense to your description.
I was thinking J for Jewish because they don't believe Jesus is the savior and mick is a common racist slang for Irish/American immigrants which you display the flag as your avatar.
Go back and read post 204...it might help you out a little.
Being of Irish decent, I am in no way offend by the term Mick...there are a lot of McC's or MC's out there.

 

[groupergenius]

Don't know how I missed this one.
Originally Posted by Jmick
If you meant no disrepect then why say you mean no disrespect unless you had those kinds of thoughts?
So if I just asked if you were Jewish/Irish, you wouldn't be offended if you were Russian/Egyptian? Some folks get all sensitive in this PC age.
Darned if you do and darned if you don't.
Jmick is the combination of my first and last name...it is Irish....why would you think it's Jewish?
Because of your seemingly disallowance of Jesus being the Messiah.

 

[jmick]

Originally Posted by GrouperGenius
Don't know how I missed this one.
So if I just asked if you were Jewish/Irish, you wouldn't be offended if you were Russian/Egyptian? Some folks get all sensitive in this PC age.
Darned if you do and darned if you don't.
Jmick is the combination of my first and last name...it is Irish....why would you think it's Jewish?
Because of your seemingly disallowance of Jesus being the Messiah.
I would never be offended by something like that.
I'd be willing to wager there are 10's of billions of people in the world who don't think Jesus is the Messiah and maybe .0001% of those might be Jewish.

 

[darknes]

Originally Posted by Jmick
I would never be offended by something like that.
I'd be willing to wager there are 10's of billions of people in the world who don't think Jesus is the Messiah and maybe .0001% of those might be Jewish.
There are only about 7.5 billion people on earth.

But I agree, probably 75% believe Jesus is not the the Messiah.

 

[clown boy]

Let me try again:
Question to those who disagree with me:
In a percentage, of all the things in the earth that there is to know, how much do you think that you know? Be honest, now...

 

[reefreak29]

I just read thruogh all of this
jmick can you please prove to me specificaly how the bible contradicts itself and please prove to me that jesus does not exsist

 

[jmick]

Originally Posted by reefreak29
I just read thruogh all of this
jmick can you please prove to me specificaly how the bible contradicts itself and please prove to me that jesus does not exsist
Can you show me any evidence that show he did exist...writings from the time he was Reported to have Lived, sculptures, painting, pictures, coins or anything other the 2nd or 3rd hand accounts?
Happy to show you some contradictions, these are from the Gospels...
1) How many generations were there between Abraham to David? Matthew 1:17 lists fourteen generations. Matthew 1:2 lists thirteen generations.
2) Is Paul lying? In Acts 20:35 Paul told people "to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, 'It is more blessed to give than to receive.'" Since Jesus never made such a biblical statement, isn’t Paul guilty of deception?
3) When did the leper become not a leper? (Matthew 8:13 & 8:14) Jesus healed the leper before visiting the house. (Mark 1:29-30 & 1:40-42) Jesus healed the leper after visiting Simon Peter’s house.
4) Who approached Jesus? (Matthew 8:5-7) The Centurion approached Jesus, beseeching help for a sick servant. (Luke 7:3 & 7:6-7) The Centurion did not approach Jesus. He sent friends and elders of the Jews.
5) Was she dead or just dying? (Matthew 9:18) He asked for help, saying his daughter was already dead. (Luke 8:41-42) Jairus approached Jesus for help, because his daughter was dying.
6) Just what did Jesus instruct them to take? (Matthew 10:10) Jesus instructed them not to take a staff, not to wear sandals. (Mark 6:8-9) Jesus instructed his disciples to wear sandals and take a staff on their journey.
7) When did John find out Jesus was the Messiah? (Matthew 11:2-3) While imprisoned. John the Baptist sent followers to Jesus to inquire if Jesus was the messiah. (Luke 7:18-22) While imprisoned. John the Baptist sent followers to Jesus to inquire if Jesus was the Messiah. (John 1 :29-34,36) John already knew Jesus was the Messiah.
8) Who made the request? (Matthew 20:20-21) Their mother requested that James and John, Zebedee’s children, should sit beside Jesus in his Kingdom. (Mark 10:35-37) James and John, Zebedee’s children, requested that they should sit beside Jesus in his Kingdom.
9) What animals were brought to Jesus? (Matthew 21:2-7) two of the disciples brought Jesus an ass and a colt from the village of Bethphage. (Mark 11:2-7) They brought him only a colt.
10) When did the fig tree hear of its doom? (Matthew 21:17-19) Jesus cursed the fig tree after purging the temple. (Mark 11:14-15 & 20) He cursed it before the purging.
11) When did the fig tree keel? (Matthew 21:9) The fig tree withered immediately. and the disciples registered surprise then and there. (Mark 11:12-14 & 20) The morning after Jesus cursed the fig tree, the disciples noticed it had withered and expressed astonishment.
12) Was John the Baptist Elias? "This is Elias which was to come." Matthew 11:14 "And they asked him, what then? Art thou Elias? And he said I am not." John l:21
13) Who was the father of Joseph? Matthew 1:16 The father of Joseph was Jacob. Luke 3 :23 The father of Joseph was Heli. Christians shall try to LIE and tell you that one is the heritage of Mary and the other Joseph. This is utter bullshit, the Hebrew and Greek cultures NEVER regarded the bloodline of the mother. They were patriarchal societies which only concerned themselves with paternal lineage.
14) How many generations were there from the Babylon captivity to Christ? Matthew 1:17 Fourteen generations, Matthew 1:12-16 Thirteen generations.
15) Matthew 2:15, 19 & 21-23 The infant Christ was taken into Egypt. Luke 2:22 & 39 The infant Christ was NOT taken to Egypt.
16) Matthew 5:1-2 Christ preached his first sermon on the mount. Luke 6:17 & 20 Christ preached his first sermon in the plain.
17) John was in prison when Jesus went into Galilee. Mark 1:14 John was not in prison when Jesus went into Galilee. John 1:43 & 3:22-24
18) What was the nationality of the woman who besought Jesus? Matthew 15:22 "And behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, Have mercy on me, 0 Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil." Mark 7:26 "The woman was a Greek, a Syrophenician by nation, and she besought him that he would cast forth the devil out of her daughter."
19) How many blind men besought Jesus? Matthew 20:30 Two blind men. Luke 18:35-38 Only one blind man.
20) Where did the devil take Jesus first? (Matthew 4:5-8) The Devil took Jesus first to the parapet of the temple, then to a high place to view all the Kingdoms of the world. (Luke 4:5-9) The Devil took Jesus first to a high place to view the kingdoms, then to the parapet of the temple.
21) Can one pray in public? (Matthew 6:5-6) Jesus condemned public prayer. (1 Timothy 2:8) Paul encouraged public prayer

 

[jmick]

more....
22) If we decide to do good works, should those works be seen? Matthew 5:16 "Let your light so shine before men that they may see your good works." 1 Peter 2:12 "Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that ... they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in the day of visitation." This contradicts: Matthew 6:1-4 "Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them…that thine alms may be in secret." Matthew 23:3-5 "Do not ye after their [Pharisees'] works ... all their works they do for to be seen of men."
23) Who did Jesus tell the Lord’s Prayer to? (Matthew 5:1, 6:9-13 & 7:28) Jesus delivered the Lord’s Prayer during the Sermon on the Mount before the multitudes. (Luke 11:1-4) He delivered it before the disciples alone, and not as part of the Sermon on the Mount.
24) When was Christ crucified? Mark 15:25 "And it was the third hour and they crucified him." John 19:14-15 "And it was the preparation of the Passover, and about the sixth hour; and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your king…Shall I crucify your king?" John 19:14-15.
25) The two thieves reviled Christ. (Matthew 27:44 & Mark 15:32) Only one of the thieves reviled Christ. Luke 23:39-40.
26) In 1 Corinthians 1:17 ("For Christ sent me [Paul] not to baptize but to preach the gospel") Paul said Jesus was wrong when he said in Matthew 28:19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them…" Clearly one of these people is wrong, either way, it’s a contradiction.
27) When did Satan enter Judas? Satan entered into Judas while at the supper. John 13:27 Satan entered Judas before the supper. Luke 23:3-4 & 7
28) How many women came to the sepulcher? John 20:1 Only one woman went, Mary Magdalene. Matthew 28:1 Mary Magdalene and the "other Mary" (Jesus’ mother) went.
29) Mark 16:2 It was sunrise when the two women went to the sepulcher. John 20:1 It was still dark (before sunrise) when Mary Magdalene went alone to the sepulcher.
30) There were two angels seen by the women at the sepulcher and they were standing up. Luke 24:4 There was only one angel seen and he was sitting down. Mark 28:2-5
31) How many angels were within the sepulcher? John 20:11-12 two, Mark 16:5 one.
32) The Holy Ghost bestowed at Pentecost. Acts 1:5-8 & 2:1-4 The holy Ghost bestowed before Pentecost. John 20:22
33) Where did Jesus first appear to the eleven disciples? In a room in Jerusalem. Luke 24:32-37 On a mountain in Galilee. Matthew 28:15-17
34) Where did Christ ascend from? From Mount Olivet. Acts 1:9-12 From Bethany. Luke 24:50-51
35) Can all sins be forgiven? (Acts 13:39) All sins can be forgiven. Great, I’m happy to know God is so merciful, but wait (Mark 3:29) Cursing or blaspheming the Holy Spirit is unforgivable.
36) The Elijah mystery: (Malachi 4:5) Elijah must return before the final days of the world. (Matthew 11:12-14) Jesus said that John the Baptist was Elijah. (Matthew 17:12- 13) Jesus insists that Elijah has already come, and everyone understood him to mean John the Baptist. (Mark 9:13) Jesus insists that Elijah has already come. (John 1:21) John the Baptist maintained that he was not Elijah.
37) Who purchased the potter’s field? Acts 1:18 The field was purchased by Judas. John 20:1 The potter’s field was purchased by the chief priests.
38) Paul’s attendants heard the miraculous voice and stood speechless. Acts 9:7 Paul’s attendants did not hear the voice and were prostrate. Acts 22:9 & 26:14
39) Who bought the Sepulcher? Jacob, Josh 24:32 Abraham, Acts 7:16
40) Was it lawful for the Jews to put Christ to death? "The Jews answered him, we have a law, and by our law he ought to die." John 19:7 "The Jews therefore said unto him, It is not lawful for us to put any man to death." John 18:31
41) Has anyone ascended up to heaven? Elijah went up to heaven: "And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven." 2 Kings 2:11 "No man hath ascended up to heaven but he that came down from heaven, even the son of man." John 3:13
42) Is scripture inspired by God? "all scripture is given by inspiration of God." 2 Timothy 3:16 compared to: "But I speak this by permission and not by commandment." 1 Corinthians 7:6 "But to the rest speak I, not the Lord." 1 Corinthians 7:12 "That which I speak, I speak it not after the Lord" 2 Corinthians.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Jmick
I disagree; when you look at most historical figures of his magnitude they had vast amounts of information written about them during the time they lived (Nero, Caesar, Plato, Napoleon, etc).
I never said a man named Jesus didn't live; I said a man/god named Jesus didn't.
Why are there no portraits of Jesus, no busts, no statues…nothing to show his likeness?
I would argue the vast amounts of first century churches built throughout the Near East are a testament and witness. Also, the huge presence of the cross in early buildings and churches.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by Jmick
Are you telling me that a man who was said to turn water to wine, heal the sick, cure the blind and raise the dead was "flying under the radar". If he was flying under the radar as you put it, then why in the stories did the Jewish priests feel so threatened by him? Just because you don't sack nations and rule the majority of the world doesn't mean you fly under the radar. MLK, Thomas Paine, Ghandi come to mind as men who changed the world with words.
He was "flying under the radar" because of what the expectations were of the coming Messiah.
The Jewish leaders were threatened because His teachings called out their hypocrisy. They wanted a political Messiah, not a religious one.
Again, the world changed dramatically after His death. Alexander conquered the known world. Ceasar ruled a vast empire, etc. Yet, Christianity has had a far more lasting impact.