thinking about getting some lionfish

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saxman

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I should add that in over 20 years of keeping lionfish and other venomous species, I've never been stung, nor have I had any close calls (I was "warned" by a Rhinopias once tho). My two diciest moments was freeing a couple of fish that had become entangled in nets. It's always the gill spines that get trapped, not the venomous spines.
 

nicknacs

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I read them both, thank you so much for the links. I do still have one question, How necessary is a skimmer with a lion? that is the one thing I do not have on either of my tanks. The water stays so clear and clean so far I just haven't thought I needed one. After seeing the pics in that article he has decided on a p.volitans and if we can find one p.russelii for a tank mate.
 

rickross23

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If you can afford, a skimmer get one. If not, SAVE! Skimmers do so mucj for a tank no one would know. Look up all the positives and you will see its worth. If you think your waters clear now, the skimmer can only improve the quality.
 

nicknacs

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Also I bought both tanks used so I'm not 100% on size in gallons. If anyone is smart enough to figure it out the outside measures 60" long, 22 3/4"deep and 24 1/2" high.
 

sweatervest13

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Originally Posted by nicknacs http:///t/391254/thinking-about-getting-some-lionfish/20#post_3469106
Also I bought both tanks used so I'm not 100% on size in gallons. If anyone is smart enough to figure it out the outside measures 60" long, 22 3/4"deep and 24 1/2" high.
You provided measurements in inches:
Width: 60" (152.4cm)
Height: 22.75" (57.79cm)
Depth: 24.5" (62.23cm)
Your tank's volume is approximately 33,442.5 cubic inches or 144.8 U.S. gallons
, which is approximately 563.2 liters.
I just copied and pasted from a site to calculate aquarium volume. HTH!!
 
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saxman

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A 24" depth x 60" length gives you the room to house any of the lionfish, including P. volitans. Of course, if you went with smaller species, you could have multiple species/specimens, which is a really cool setup. Here is a 48" x 24" 100 gal with four lionfish in residence: two mediums (P. radiata & P. sphex) and a M-F pair of D. brachypterus (fuzzy dwarf). There's also a cockatoo waspfish (Ablabys taenianotus) and a small species scorp (Scorpaenodes caribbaeus) in the mix:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXwe7zKhPQw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KMOVpck6Ik&feature=relmfu
The radiata and the sphex will end up in our 210 gal build along with our P. mombassae
and our P. antennata
. There will also be an Inimicus stingfish
and a Scorpaena brasiliensis
, as well as an Aussie Tuskfish which has to grow quite a bit (it's only 2" now).
 

nicknacs

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Thanks for the info sweatervest13, I knew somewhere on the Internet there had to be a place to find out. I just didn't know where to look.
Great looking tank saxman, what is the plant stuff in there? I was looking to get sum to add to my reef tank that would suck up nitrates.
 
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saxman

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The green stuff is Caulerpa taxifolia, which has been banned in several states as it has been classified as a noxious weed. I wouldn't add it to a reef tank unless you keep it in a sump as it is probably the fastest-growing Caulerpa species out there. There are other much less invasive species out there for the DT. However, we keep live macro in most of our 14 FOWLR setups, and it really does aid in nurient export.
 

nicknacs

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So what pretty green stuff do you suggest for a lion tank ? I think the lion fish would like to hide behind the plants.
 

nicknacs

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Hopefully this guy that just started a new saltwater store here calls me back and says he got another one of these and is eating and ready to go.
asian radiata lionfish 5-6in $75
 

nicknacs

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I was also thinking about leaving the tank bare bottom. As of now I don't have a skimmer just the sump and Figured it would be easyer to keep clean if there was no sand. I dont want crushed coral because of all the crap that gets stuck in it and if I decide to get an eel later if might get cut up on it. Any thoughts?
 
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saxman

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I wouldn't use CC, but I prefer to use substrate, not just because it looks better, but because many Scorpaeniformes require some substrate to be comfy, since many are bottom dwellers. We use #3 grade aragonite for the most part, altho we have a few setups with #1 grade which is a bit finer in them.
As for plants, you could go with C. prolifera for a green macro that's easy to deal with. A good red is Botryocladia, which grows slowly, but becomes a deep red in dimmer lighting (it will actually bleach/brown-out in super bright lighting). Sargassum is a kelp that is a golden-tan color, that does well under bright conditions.
If that radiata is indeed an "Asian" fish, it will likely have come from the Ryuku Islands, and will do best if kept a tad on the cooler side (mid-70's F). $75 is a decent price for a fish that size. However, P. radiata
is a bit more touchy than many lionfish and often don't ship well (I personally believe the Red Sea and S. African specimens are the reason for this reputation tho). In the wild, P. radiata
feeds mainly on crustaceans, so getting it started on ghost shrimp or small crabs is a good way to get it eating. IME, they are good strong feeders, but aren't what I'd call aggressive feeders, so consider that when selecting tankmates if you decide to keep one. Our P. sphex
and dwarf fuzzy pair would outcompete this fish if we allowed them to do so (it takes both of us to feed that tank so the slower feeders can get their share).
 

nicknacs

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He couldnt get that kind but did get and dwarf zebra that is really nice looking so Im going to pick him up in a little bit. heres a pic from his tank at the store.
 

nicknacs

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Got it home and the tank all set up for it. I went with 1 big bag of that #3 aragonite and 2 bags of black sand on top of that. It's only like 3/4 inch deep but I think it will do the job. I bought a big thing of frozen silversides to cutup for it but some how left it at the store. We bought a bunch of junk and must have forgot that bag. So seeing how it looked so hungry I tried to give it a hotdog piece on a feeding stick and all that did was piss it off. He was eating at the store but they feed them live goldfish. Not a diet I plan on keeping. I'll post a good pic tomorrow, the tank was to cloudy from the sand settling to get a good pic.
 

rickross23

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Cute lion! If he's not eating frozen, wean him off live..take a feeding stick and put somethin frozen on it, then, put it in front of him and wave it back and forth like its swimming...this will entice him to eat and will wean him off live foods.
 
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saxman

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Don't feed your fish junk like hot dogs, for goodness sakes...it likely won't take them, it's bad for your water, and not nutritious in the least.
You'll do best feeding the fish live ghost shrimp, but if you can't get them, live guppies or small mollies will work to get your fish conditioned. Try to stay away from goldfish, rosy reds or anything else from the carp family.
 
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