This guy wants to be president?

rylan1

Active Member
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2704864
lol, (not saying McLaim is better) bush's failing is his PR. But listen to obama, and you could accurately quote a famous actor, "We are all just a little bit dumber" And I'm sorry 7 minutes of Uhhmmm in a single press conference isn't the "occational pause" I don't care about his oratory skills, (after all I like bush.) I do question his skull full of liberal mush.
Who cares what polls say, if you had the media donating 100-1 for the liberal, and their glittering press coverage of obama you'd have a good impression of him too. You know looking at the likely voter polls McLaim is ahead by 4% points... If polls are gospel, why is Obamuuhh doing soo poorly you know the "worldwide movement" that you describe?
There has to be a reason for the HATRED on the left for bush. And I think it is prejudice simply because he is from the south. Google texas idiot, read articles on why bush is stupid. And you get back to how he speaks. They don't even talk about his policies, just how he talks. Yes it is a prejudice for the south.
I have to disagree with your predjudice theory... Gore and Clinton are southerners. We can talk about Policies, Admin, Perception, Foreign Perception, the War, Katrina, etc, etc... and lets also throw in his communication skills. ... these all speak more clearly than he does... I guess it just depends on what station you are watching on how they cover Bush... its either news or comedy, and they have different talking points.
By the way, the poll that is most generally accepted is the Gallup Poll... I believe has Obama up by at least 5 points... I'm sure we can both show polls showing different leaders and margins...
 

rylan1

Active Member
Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2705173
Well, according to the recent info I provided it would suggest that McCain is treated more favorably by the media. When you can site a source that contradicts that please let me know. Please come back with something better then Chris Matthews

There is a recent study that backs your view point... to say McCain has been treated more favorably.
 

stdreb27

Active Member

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2705186
By the way, the poll that is most generally accepted is the Gallup Poll... I believe has Obama up by at least 5 points... I'm sure we can both show polls showing different leaders and margins...
Do me a favor and read your poll. I don't really believe them and in my utopia their would be no polling because then the media couldn't imply you one way or the other which way to vote, and might actually have to work for their news vs just making a poll reporting the poll then interviewing another journalist.
Read this and you will see the distiction I made. Right now everyone is reporting the registered voters
not the likely voters.
Hence the 5% well this says 3 but it fluxuates.
The presumptive Republican nominee now leads among likely voters
49 percent to 45 percent, up from a five-point deficit since last month. McCain still trails among "registered" voters
in the survey, 44 percent to 47 percent, but his lead suggests that his rival's enormously popular 10-day tour of Europe and the Middle East has not significantly strengthened Obama's national security credentials.
 

rylan1

Active Member
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2705041
Obama, a freshman Senator, who hasn't even officially become the Democratic nominee yet, just finished a "world tour" where he had hundreds of reporters including the top three news anchors following him like puppies...
I believe his visit was much more newsworthy. McCain has made trips before, and others touted these events as some what of a "test" of Obama foreign policy credintials.. Not to mention Obama gave a speech to nearly 200,000 people in Berlin. I'm sorry, but McCain lacks the charisma that Obama does...
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2705198
I believe his visit was much more newsworthy. McCain has made trips before, and others touted these events as some what of a "test" of Obama foreign policy credintials.. Not to mention Obama gave a speech to nearly 200,000 people in Berlin. I'm sorry, but McCain lacks the charisma that Obama does...
lol because we vote based off charisma
 

rylan1

Active Member

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2705194
Do me a favor and read your poll. I don't really believe them and in my utopia their would be no polling because then the media couldn't imply you one way or the other which way to vote, and might actually have to work for their news vs just making a poll reporting the poll then interviewing another journalist.
Read this and you will see the distiction I made. Right now everyone is reporting the registered voters
not the likely voters.
Hence the 5% well this says 3 but it fluxuates.
The presumptive Republican nominee now leads among likely voters
49 percent to 45 percent, up from a five-point deficit since last month. McCain still trails among "registered" voters
in the survey, 44 percent to 47 percent, but his lead suggests that his rival's enormously popular 10-day tour of Europe and the Middle East has not significantly strengthened Obama's national security credentials.
I would disagree... there were many positives with his trip. Some of the biggest were the revelation of a new "timetable" for Iraq which has gained support, and his talks w/ Palenstine leaders, that McCain did not see. This is relevant because both Israeli and Palestinian leaders have to agree, and this can't be done with speaking to one party.
Registered Voters is important in this election because Obama is driving registration and new voting records. They've already voted in the primaries... I'd expect voting to increase in Nov.
 

rylan1

Active Member
Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2705202
lol because we vote based off charisma

I was refering to the World Tour... and why reporters followed him... However many people do vote for charisma or lack there of, popularity, or looks/attractivness.
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2705206
I would disagree... there were many positives with his trip. Some of the biggest were the revelation of a new "timetable" for Iraq which has gained support, and his talks w/ Palenstine leaders, that McCain did not see. This is relevant because both Israeli and Palestinian leaders have to agree, and this can't be done with speaking to one party.
Registered Voters is important in this election because Obama is driving registration and new voting records. They've already voted in the primaries... I'd expect voting to increase in Nov.
what are you talking about? Read what you just said.
Registered Voters are important in this election because Obama is driving registration and new voting records. They've already voted in the primaries... I'd expect voting to increase in Nov

First off it doesn't address anything I said at all. I'm simply referencing a poll that they always take every time their is an election. Registered as well as likely voters. Second, even in major elections they get what 50-60% of registered voters actually vote. Either way, at 3% that is really close to the margin of error with the registered voters number.
I simply was pointing out that I quoted one poll you quoted another. When you were arguing with my number. I'm not debating the validity or lack of validity of the poll.
But you say all this "obama is driving new registration and voting records mush" but if that is really the case, why is he only leading by 3% in the registered voters polls, and loosing in the likely voters?
If this is such a "movement" and yadda yadda why did lose the majority of the last 20 states? What was it lose 12 states in a row. Why isn't he beating McLaim by 20%?
 

mgatdog

Member
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2705031
Remind me again which schools Barak and his wife attended?
Must been a school that used act and sat scores to let them in . I don't see how Bush got in. God for bid if it was a speech he had to give or fuzzy math to do.
 

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2705173
Well, according to the recent info I provided it would suggest that McCain is treated more favorably by the media. When you can site a source that contradicts that please let me know. Please come back with something better then Chris Matthews

Again, name a time when all three news anchors followed McCain to a warzone for a week?
The "study" you site covers a 6 week window. Could that time period have something to do with the Weather Underground, his "pastor" or other stories that flashed across the media?
If you are going to argue bias in the media you need to use more than a 6 week window for Heaven's sake.
 

1journeyman

Active Member
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2705198
I believe his visit was much more newsworthy. McCain has made trips before, and others touted these events as some what of a "test" of Obama foreign policy credintials.. Not to mention Obama gave a speech to nearly 200,000 people in Berlin. I'm sorry, but McCain lacks the charisma that Obama does...
Charismatic new face, speaking to German crowds, promising change, promoting socialism... wow, seems like we've seen that story before... Better tell the French to start rebuilding the Maginot Line.
 

stdreb27

Active Member
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2705276
Charismatic new face, speaking to German crowds, promising change, promoting socialism... wow, seems like we've seen that story before... Better tell the French to start rebuilding the Maginot Line.
Don't forget his cover band!
 

oscardeuce

Active Member
Originally Posted by KingSmith
http:///forum/post/2705111
Did well on his own????? What you think his family hasn't trounced over countless peasents like our selves to retain the wealth they passed off to that dumb fool. When Daddy and Grand Daddy let you have millions of dollars the second your born its pretty easy to do all those things, wow forget your stately alligance and open your eyes.

You mean the Kennedys right?
 

oscardeuce

Active Member
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2705276
Charismatic new face, speaking to German crowds, promising change, promoting socialism... wow, seems like we've seen that story before... Better tell the French to start rebuilding the Maginot Line.
Don't forget, both are/were socialists.
 

oscardeuce

Active Member
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2705206
I would disagree... there were many positives with his trip. Some of the biggest were the revelation of a new "timetable" for Iraq which has gained support, and his talks w/ Palenstine leaders, that McCain did not see. This is relevant because both Israeli and Palestinian leaders have to agree, and this can't be done with speaking to one party.
Registered Voters is important in this election because Obama is driving registration and new voting records. They've already voted in the primaries... I'd expect voting to increase in Nov.

Then there's the basketball game when he should have visited wounded troops.
That's CHARISMA!
 

1journeyman

Active Member
Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2705206
.. This is relevant because both Israeli and Palestinian leaders have to agree, and this can't be done with speaking to one party. ...
Ya.. this will work. Cause we all know if only the Palestinians and Israeli's talked more they would soon be dancing in the streets.
The last time the Israeli's talked with one of their sworn enemies was a couple of weeks ago. You remember what happened Rylan? They bargained for the return of two of their soldiers, kidnapped in Israel and held for 2 years. What did they get for their bargaining? Their two soldiers in coffins...
Hamas, the PLO, Hezbollah, all have sworn to eliminate Israel. Kind of rules out any sort of productive dialog.
 

oscardeuce

Active Member
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2705294
Ya.. this will work. Cause we all know if only the Palestinians and Israeli's talked more they would soon be dancing in the streets.
The last time the Israeli's talked with one of their sworn enemies was a couple of weeks ago. You remember what happened Rylan? They bargained for the return of two of their soldiers, kidnapped in Israel and held for 2 years. What did they get for their bargaining? Their two soldiers in coffins...
Hamas, the PLO, Hezbollah, all have sworn to eliminate Israel. Kind of rules out any sort of productive dialog.
Look what they gave up to get those soldiers back. The world is less safe today, due to "talking".
 

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2704908
I like where this thread is going and thought I’d chime in. I don’t think that Bush is an eejit, that’d be an insult to idiots everywhere. Seriously, I’d guess he is above average and IMO, the persona he projects has been groomed and is a product of a lot of strateegery so he’d have more appeal to the masses because they think the average American is an idiot. Given that he’s been the president for two terms they might be right
He is a man of great privilege and has been the beneficiary of that. There is no way in the world he’d be able to become the Governor of Texas or the President of the greatest country in the world if he had to achieve either on his own merit. That’s why so many people like Obama, he is a self-made man and is in the position he is today based off his own merits…not those of his daddy or his fortune.
Obama may not have had the oportunities Bush did but he wasn't exactly a poor starving orphan either. He is in the position he is today because of his race. There is no way a first term senator with a weak legislative record is a presidential candidate if his name is Barry O'Banion and white.
 

reefraff

Active Member
Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2705140
I give him kudos for overcoming his drug addiction. Again, it's the family and name and ties which allowed him to do financially well and I believe the Harken deal, which was probably insider trading on his part helped him amass his fortune. http://www.buzzflash.com/perspectives/bush_harken.html
I also believe it's common knowledge that his granddaddy Prescott started the family fortune with money made while dealing with Nazi Germany.
Drug addiction? Care to site a credible basis for that claim.
You are also wrong on the whole nazi thing as well, that was demonstrated by a few of use in the other threads.
 

jmick

Active Member
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2705385
Drug addiction? Care to site a credible basis for that claim.
You are also wrong on the whole nazi thing as well, that was demonstrated by a few of use in the other threads.
Stdreb27 was the one who claimed he had a drug addiction so bring that up with him. Oh wow, you guys might actually disagree one something, that'd be truly monumental

I recall the thread and I don't remember you demonstrating anything...other then your typical abrasiveness.
 
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