This guy wants to be president?

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2705097
Why not? He defeated a major addition
got his life back together, did quite well finantially on his own, bought a MLB team, served as governer, and then the white house.

Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2705140
I give him kudos for overcoming his drug addiction. .

Originally Posted by Jmick

http:///forum/post/2705414
Stdreb27 was the one who claimed he had a drug addiction so bring that up with him. Oh wow, you guys might actually disagree one something, that'd be truly monumental

hmm, yeah, I said drug addiction...
Do you even read my posts? Or just I dunno something?
I guess typically alcoholism is not referred to as an addiction, but I've always thought of it that way.
 

jmick

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2705515
hmm, yeah, I said drug addiction...
Do you even read my posts? Or just I dunno something?
I guess typically alcoholism is not referred to as an addiction, but I've always thought of it that way.
I'd consider alcoholism to be an addiction.
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2705385
Drug addiction? Care to site a credible basis for that claim.
You are also wrong on the whole nazi thing as well, that was demonstrated by a few of use in the other threads.

Originally Posted by Jmick

http:///forum/post/2705524
I'd consider alcoholism to be an addiction.
I love the roll the eyes smiley. I could see how you could glaze of a post and just think you read drug addiction... Especially since alcoholism not typically referred to as an addiction. but come on, you don't think you would have heard about crack addict bush before now?
 

jmick

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2705551
I love the roll the eyes smiley. I could see how you could glaze of a post and just think you read drug addiction... Especially since alcoholism not typically referred to as an addiction. but come on, you don't think you would have heard about crack addict bush before now?
I've always envisioned him as a cocaine party boy...why slum it when you have the cash for the good stuff.
 

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2705562
I've always envisioned him as a cocaine party boy...why slum it when you have the cash for the good stuff.
I think clinton was the last prez that actually smoked something... Well monica did the smoking...
 

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Jmick
http:///forum/post/2705414
Stdreb27 was the one who claimed he had a drug addiction so bring that up with him. Oh wow, you guys might actually disagree one something, that'd be truly monumental

I recall the thread and I don't remember you demonstrating anything...other then your typical abrasiveness.

Oh, so you are admitting you are just repeating stuff without knowing whether or not it is actually true. Just like the Nazi stuff which was debunked by numerous links presented in those other threads. I'd rather be abrasive than a robot.
 

1journeyman

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There is an interesting trend that plays out in each of these threads.
Sooner or later, the Obama supporters find themselves on the opposite end of the Constitution.
Whether it is nationalized health care (which Rylan argues is not Obama's plan, even though Obama says himself it is), or taking over major industries such as energy and now the m ortgage industry, or judges stripping religious freedom from the public arena, or the most recent argument regarding the Constitutional right to free speech.
Our Nation is the greatest in the world (though some will even argue that is not the case) because of our founding fathers and the work they put into the Constitution. Yet, for whatever reason, the Democrats of today seem to want to drag our nation down the plotted path in a death march to Socialism.
Why is that? Do the Democrats feel an innate need to control citizens' lives so much they are willing to forgo our founding document? Is there an innate hatred for our Nation's success? Is it "grass is greener" syndrone? I really don't understand...
 

stdreb27

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Further proof that we aren't in a "recession".
The U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA) has issued the following news release today:
Real gross domestic product -- the output of goods and services produced by labor and property located in the United States -- increased at an annual rate of 1.9 percent in the second quarter of 2008 (that is, from the first quarter to the second quarter), according to advance estimates released by the Bureau of Economic Analysis.
http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/nati...ewsrelease.htm
They actually increase 2nd qtr 07 numbers from 3.8 to 4.8. However dropped 4th qtr from .6% to -.2%. The good news is our growth doubled from 1st to 2nd qt 08 from .9 to 1.9%
 

robdog696

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2704716
And your point about Iraq proves my point... when the war was authorized it was to go after WMD. Al Qaeda wasn't in Iraq at the time, they were based in Afganistan/Pakistan, places we have neglected. McCain has even said recently that the 'reasons' why we are in Iraq was wrong and that our intelligence was incorrect. Iraq had nothing to do with liberation... and as a citizen of the world, I am more applaud that we allow/accept the genocide in Darfur and Congo. The Iraq war was more about the Bush legacy and oil, than any of the things you mentioned.
I believe you to be the one "blindly following a canidate" because you ignore or down play all the problems we face as a nation and in the world. The passing of the Mortage Bill is very important, and it passed because both parties voted for it... This is not about political afflitiation, but much needed solutions to the very real problems we face..and it does have an impact in the bigger picture.. The greatest national security threat we face is the threat to our financial markets.. I don't believe it's terrorists directly... We have the military power to fight wars, but do we have the solutions to get out of the mess that truly affects are everyday lives?
You're not getting my message. It's not about who's the best candidate. It's not about what are the most important issues. It's about finding our own answers. You are simply repeating things that have been said over and over again by the media, left wing talk shows, and the Obama camp.
I commend you for getting involved. I applaud you for voting. But you seem more interested in arguing than learning. You're so busy defending the democratic point of view that when you read a republican point of view instead of letting it bounce around inside your skull a few times you are already pre-occupied with writing your rebuttal in your mind. And most of those rebuttals are copy and paste edits from whatever liberal talk show you obviously listen to.
I especially want to address this comment of yours.
"I believe you to be the one "blindly following a canidate" because you ignore or down play all the problems we face as a nation and in the world."
I am casting my vote primarily based on one issue, because I believe it to be the most important issue concerning American History as it will be viewed looking back on this election. It is an issue I think I am well informed on. It is an issue I can hardly be accused of ignoring. I am casting my vote based on a deep and meaningful heartfelt belief that we not only have an obligation to our own citizens as Americans to win the Global War on Terrorism but an even bigger obligation to secure religious freedom, provide personal freedom, and restore human rights to the citizens of Iraq. I served in our armed forces. I made three trips to the Middle East. My family did not downplay anything. We made the choice to sacrifice a degree of our own freedom to fight to give the citizens of Iraq a sliver of what we have been blessed enough to be given by God.
Your support for Obama is not wrong, it's non-objective. Your lack of support for McCain is not wrong, and it is even understandable. But your constant attacks on your President show your lack of patriotism. Get behind your leader. If Barrack Obama wins I will support him and maybe even follow him into battle again.
So next time you're in your vehicle driving to a sales meeting and you're listening to your favorite liberal talk show, do me a favor. Imagine another life. Imagine leaving your wife and children that you love with all of your heart for months at a time. Imagine trading in your suits for cammies. Imagine trading your ink pen for a rifle. And imagine just when you think you're about to meet your enemy and have to use that rifle instead meeting the citizens you are helping. Imagine shaking their hands and seeing the look of relief in their eyes when they thank you for coming to free them from a tyranny we Americans thought did not exist in this world.
And then ask yourself this question. Are you defending an ideal that you have been sold, or are you defending a belief that was born in your heart of truths that you saw with your own two eyes? God bless you for voting, and I hope you will continue to keep an open heart and an open mind from now until election day!
 

rylan1

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Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2705019
Whether you consider Texas a part of the South is not particularly relevant. Texans fought (particularly well in fact)and died for the Confederacy just like every other Southern State.
Texas is part of the South.
What difference does it make? People consider Cinncinatti part of the South... What does this have to do w/ Confederacy? I also don't understand why people glorify the Civil War, in particular the Confederation... Furthermore, people's dislike for Bush has nothing to do with where he lived, or his southern accent... As I mentioned before Clinton is just as southern, has an accent... so lets stop shifting anti-Bush feelings from real issues and policies...to things that don't matter.
 

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2707161
What difference does it make? People consider Cinncinatti part of the South... What does this have to do w/ Confederacy? I also don't understand why people glorify the Civil War, in particular the Confederation... Furthermore, people's dislike for Bush has nothing to do with where he lived, or his southern accent... As I mentioned before Clinton is just as southern, has an accent... so lets stop shifting anti-Bush feelings from real issues and policies...to things that don't matter.
Rylan, I'm certainly not "glorifying" the civil War. I am, however, being respectful to the Texans that took part. Texas is part of "the south".
Now, as for the "issues". you keep saying this is an "historic" election because a black man is running. how about if we start saying it's historic because the oldest candidate is running? Is that placing equal emphasis on "issues"?
Let's talk issues;
*Nationalizing m ortgages
*Nationalizing energy
*Nationalizing medicine
*Abortion
*raising the capital gains tax
*cutting R&D for our military
*troop surge in Afghanistan
Which do you want to discuss first?
 

rylan1

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Robdog696;2706476 said:
............I commend you for getting involved. .......seeing the look of relief in their eyes when they thank you for coming to free them from a tyranny we Americans thought did not exist in this world.....
First of of all, I commend you for being in the armed forces... its a choice you made... and I think it is very unfair to assume that people who make another choice are less patriotic... Getting involved shows my own desires to have an impact. My choice was to volunteer.. to register voters... etc... Its something that my ancestors and others died for to that others would have that power. They were not soilders, yet they paid the utlimate sacrifice for the country, the very same country that was responsible for their deaths.
I am very well informed of the significance of this election, and the storm that circles it and threatens our way of life. If it were my call to pick up a rifle and outfit myself in camoflauge... I'd do it... but I believe I have a different call...in which I am pursuing... and it is going to take the same courage and strength.. you as a soilder face... I believe in the war against terror... and the Iraq war is a front. I have the right to question the leadership of this country because I chose to vote in the last election. I believe we have been put into this postion because we are in a war that was bought and sold based on lies. We live in a brutal world, with evil men. This is not limited to Iraq, we choose were we go based on what's good for us... If you want to talk about liberation and tyranny... there are places of greater urgency that need to be visited.
If you want to talk about WMD's... there are greater places of urgency that need to be visited.
I know the candidate I support is not perfect... but in a time where we stand to lose our place in the world... and perhaps the world all together... I choose to support the person who I believe is best equipped to do so. The next President is more than just a Commander in Chief.. what are the qualities of a good leader? What makes a good coach... What makes a good sergeant or battlion leader?
Ask yourself those questions... my views are my my own... where do you get yours from? It would seem that the republican candidate only looks to question character, which maybe what you are trying to do... and pandering to emotions and feel good bandaids, instead of addressing the very real issues we face and providing real solutions... our problems are so much bigger than the war in Iraq...
 

rylan1

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2707144
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12237.html
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/...,6774510.story
This is interesting, exxon paid more in taxes than the bottom 50% of Americans...
http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2008/02/...rspective.html
And yet they still made record profits.... this is not about how much profit they made, or how much in taxes they pay... They are part of the problem, because we all know tha oil is a limited resource.. and they have blocked the acceptance and availablity of alternative and renewable energy... They have all their cards in one basket and continue to want to profit from it... They are hurting the american people along with the environment. These people are billionaires and you want us to think they have our interests at heart? The reason why things have not changed because they are comfortable making the money they make, and their money and power has persuaded our gov't to allow them to operate in this manner.
 

rylan1

Active Member
Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2707164
Rylan, I'm certainly not "glorifying" the civil War. I am, however, being respectful to the Texans that took part. Texas is part of "the south".
Now, as for the "issues". you keep saying this is an "historic" election because a black man is running. how about if we start saying it's historic because the oldest candidate is running? Is that placing equal emphasis on "issues"?
Let's talk issues;
*Nationalizing m ortgages
*Nationalizing energy
*Nationalizing medicine
*Abortion
*raising the capital gains tax
*cutting R&D for our military
*troop surge in Afghanistan
Which do you want to discuss first?
No, they are not equal issues. I don't think age has been a barrier or wall for the office of the presidency, as race has been for african americans... I would include gender, but to a lesser degree... I would also include homosexuals... even though we have had one as president before...... Age may be a hurdle, but race is like a 'Great Wall'
 

rylan1

Active Member
Some issues need not be talked about like abortion... this is something the president has no control over and its such a 50/50 argument.... I am pro-life, but I also believe in a womens right to choose. My advise would be that there are so many other options to it, but ultimately I can't make that decision for them..
We can talk about other issues... what about them?
 

stdreb27

Active Member

Originally Posted by Rylan1
http:///forum/post/2707204
And yet they still made record profits.... this is not about how much profit they made, or how much in taxes they pay... They are part of the problem, because we all know tha oil is a limited resource.. and they have blocked
the acceptance and availablity of alternative and renewable energy... They have all their cards in one basket and continue to want to profit from it... They are hurting the american people along with the environment. These people are billionaires and you want us to think they have our interests at heart? The reason why things have not changed because they are comfortable making the money they make, and their money and power has persuaded our gov't to allow them to operate in this manner.
This is simply a false premise. You realise the money from oil companies being poured into different forms of energy besides oil? Sure not as much as for oil, but I'd go as far as saying, they are leaders in research for alternative energy...
These folks don't have your interests at heart, no one is saying that, however they aren't stupid and know their horse isn't going to last forever. So it would be foolish of them to not look for a new horse.
 
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