This guy wants to be president?

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by shroomie2u
http:///forum/post/2712507
yes how bout we go through our nation's history.....Abraham Lincoln, Martin Luther King Jr., John F. Kennedy, and Ronald Reagan......all brillant speakers,with new and freash ideas = CLASSY AND ELEGANT!!!!!

And how many of those wanted to abandon the Constitution in favor of Socialism?
Just because you are "classy" and "eloquent" it doesn't mean you have the right ideas...

 

[shroomie2u]

no one is trying to "abandon the constitution" get real!
i'm not going to get to get in some stupid political argument over a saltwater hobbyist message board. your not going to change my opinion and i'm not going to change yours.
i think that obama is quite refreshing. he is a wonderful speaker, he has class. he seems to want to change things and that's appealing to me.call me crazy but the way things are going in this country is pretty sad. things aren't working for alot of people, maybe changing things is the way to go.
sometimes you gotta shut up and just listen to people, and IMO mr.mccain prolly won't be able to pull his hearing aide out of bush's "booty"

enough to hear what some people want. thats all.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by shroomie2u
http:///forum/post/2712669
no one is trying to "abandon the constitution" get real!
i'm not going to get to get in some stupid political argument over a saltwater hobbyist message board. your not going to change my opinion and i'm not going to change yours.
i think that obama is quite refreshing. he is a wonderful speaker, he has class. he seems to want to change things and that's appealing to me.call me crazy but the way things are going in this country is pretty sad. things aren't working for alot of people, maybe changing things is the way to go.
sometimes you gotta shut up and just listen to people, and IMO mr.mccain prolly won't be able to pull his hearing aide out of bush's "booty"

enough to hear what some people want. thats all.
The thing is they aren't "refreshing" they are repackaged old hash, from "windfall profits taxes", government market controls to calling republicans racist, this is nothing new.

 

[shroomie2u]

Geez!!!
does everyone gotta agree with you or what???
are republicans always so argumentitive????

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2712579
What Fresh ideas does Obama have?
I'm sorry, we are discussing politics, you have posted and made a vague statement, that I strongly dissagree with, I've asked your opinion, but you repeat your general claim without disscussing why. Then say this?
Originally Posted by shroomie2u
http:///forum/post/2712708
Geez!!!
does everyone gotta agree with you or what???
are republicans always so argumentitive????
you are going to come in say some random Obama campain line without defending it, when that is the whole point of the thread, to discuss the political race, I'm not sure what you're getting ruffled about. BTW,
I'll repeat my question, What fresh ideas does obama have?

 

[shroomie2u]

i never did any obama campaigning, i simply stated that i liked him. and i'm not ruffled, i just don't feel the need to sit here and type boring political satistics, that's not my deal. and as i recall i did point out why i thought that obama was refreshing. we can discuss things and we can state who we like and why, but i am not debating with you.

 

[1journeyman]

Originally Posted by shroomie2u
http:///forum/post/2711692
...
thank god bush is almost gone!

Originally Posted by shroomie2u
http:///forum/post/2712222
IMO obama is kennedy-like. we need someone who will listen to people. this country has been run into the ground, ....

Originally Posted by shroomie2u
http:///forum/post/2712669
...call me crazy but the way things are going in this country is pretty sad. things aren't working for alot of people, maybe changing things is the way to go. ....

Originally Posted by shroomie2u
http:///forum/post/2712752
..., but i am not debating with you.
And I'm not ignoring you.
If you post things like this expect your opinions to be challenged. If you want a pep rally find a different forum. Here, opinions will be challenged, from both sides.

 

[stdreb27]

He does have some good idea, like saying that inflating your tires will save more oil than anything we can drill for

 

[darknes]

Editorial --- Richmond Times Dispatch
Each year I get to celebrate Independence Day twice. On June 30 I celebrate MY independence day and on July 4 I celebrate America's.
This year is special, because it marks the 40th anniversary of my independence.
On June 30, 1968, I escaped Communist Cuba and a few months later I was in the US to stay. That I happened to arrive in Richmond on Thanksgiving Day is just part of the story, but I digress.
I've thought a lot about the anniversary this year. The election year rhetoric has made me think a lot about Cuba and what transpired there.
In the late 1950's most Cubans thought Cuba needed a change, and they were right. So when a young leader came along, every Cuban was at least receptive.
When the young leader spoke eloquently and passionately and denounced the old system, the press fell in love with him. They never questioned who his friends were or what he really believed in. When he said he would help the farmers and the poor and bring free medical care and education to all, everyone followed. When he said he would bring justice and equality to all, everyone said 'Praise the Lord.' And when the young leader said, 'I will be for change and I'll bring you change,' everyone yelled, 'Viva Fidel.'
But nobody asked about the change, so by the time the executioner's guns went silent the people's guns had been taken away. By the time everyone was equal, they were equally poor, hungry, and oppressed. By the time everyone received their free education it was worth nothing.
By the time the press noticed, it was too late, because they were now working for him. By the time the change was finally implemented Cuba had been knocked down a couple of notches to Third-World status. By the time the change was over more than a million people had taken to boats, rafts, and inner tubes. You can call those who made it ashore anywhere else in the world the most fortunate Cubans. And now I'm back to the beginning of my story.
Luckily, we would never fall in America for a young leader who promised change without asking, WHAT change? How will you carry it out? What will it cost America? Would we?
Manuel Alvarez, Jr.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Darknes
http:///forum/post/2712843
Editorial --- Richmond Times Dispatch
Each year I get to celebrate Independence Day twice. On June 30 I celebrate MY independence day and on July 4 I celebrate America's.
This year is special, because it marks the 40th anniversary of my independence.
On June 30, 1968, I escaped Communist Cuba and a few months later I was in the US to stay. That I happened to arrive in Richmond on Thanksgiving Day is just part of the story, but I digress.
I've thought a lot about the anniversary this year. The election year rhetoric has made me think a lot about Cuba and what transpired there.
In the late 1950's most Cubans thought Cuba needed a change, and they were right. So when a young leader came along, every Cuban was at least receptive.
When the young leader spoke eloquently and passionately and denounced the old system, the press fell in love with him. They never questioned who his friends were or what he really believed in. When he said he would help the farmers and the poor and bring free medical care and education to all, everyone followed. When he said he would bring justice and equality to all, everyone said 'Praise the Lord.' And when the young leader said, 'I will be for change and I'll bring you change,' everyone yelled, 'Viva Fidel.'
But nobody asked about the change, so by the time the executioner's guns went silent the people's guns had been taken away. By the time everyone was equal, they were equally poor, hungry, and oppressed. By the time everyone received their free education it was worth nothing.
By the time the press noticed, it was too late, because they were now working for him. By the time the change was finally implemented Cuba had been knocked down a couple of notches to Third-World status. By the time the change was over more than a million people had taken to boats, rafts, and inner tubes. You can call those who made it ashore anywhere else in the world the most fortunate Cubans. And now I'm back to the beginning of my story.
Luckily, we would never fall in America for a young leader who promised change without asking, WHAT change? How will you carry it out? What will it cost America? Would we?
Manuel Alvarez, Jr.
IMO the charisma or lack of charisma is no indication of the quality of the leader however being a good speaker helps. So when stories like this are told, i don't feel like it is an effective argument when discussing a politican. Mainly because I could write the same story about Reagan wonderful speaker strong conservative ideas that really to that point had not been brought to the political discussion on that scale.
Then all the person who is the supporter of the person you're alluding to is going to read how you just compared their candidate to Castro. And then they'll get ugly, and it would be a hard sell. (some might take it as a complement after all Cuba's medical system is really first rate according to the visionary michael moore.

)
Likewise a good public speaker is no reason to vote for someone anyway.

 

[bigg]

Here is a report about Obama from a black columnist. He definitely brings a different light to this newly minted politician.
Ken Blackwell - Columnist for the New York Sun
It's an amazing time to be alive in America . We're in a year of firsts in this presidential election: the first viable woman candidate; the first viable African-American candidate; and, a candidate who is the first front-running freedom fighter over 70. The next president of America will be a first.
We won't truly be in an election of firsts, however, until we judge every candidate by where they stand. We won't arrive where we should be until we no longer talk about skin color or gender.
Now that Barack Obama steps to the front of the Democratic field, we need to stop talking about his race, and start talking about his policies and his politics.
Some pundits are calling him the next John F. Kennedy. He's not. He's the next George McGovern. And it's time people learned the facts.
Because the truth is that Mr. Obama is the single most liberal senator in the entire U.S. Senate. He is more liberal than Ted Kennedy, Bernie Sanders, or Mrs. Clinton. Never in my life have I seen a presidential frontrunner whose rhetoric is so far removed from his record. Walter Mondale promised to raise our taxes, and he lost. George McGovern promised military weakness, and he lost. Michael Dukakis promised a liberal domestic agenda, and he lost.
Yet Mr. Obama is promising all those things, and he's not behind in the polls. Why? Because the press has dealt with him as if he were in a beauty pageant.
Mr. Obama talks about getting past party, getting past red and blue, to lead the United States of America . But let's look at the more defined strokes of who he is underneath this superficial "beauty."
Start with national security, since the president's most important duties are as commander-in-chief. Over the summer, Mr. Obama talked about invading Pakistan, a nation armed with nuclear weapons; meeting without preconditions with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who vows to destroy Israel and create another Holocaust; and Kim Jong II, who is murdering and starving his people, but emphasized that the nuclear option was off the table against terrorists - something no president has ever taken off the table since we created nuclear weapons in the 1940s. Even Democrats who have worked in national security condemned all of those remarks. Mr. Obama is a foreign-policy novice who would put our national security at risk.
Next, consider economic policy. For all its faults, our health care system is the strongest in the world. And free trade agreements, created by Bill Clinton as well as President Bush, have made more goods more affordable so that even people of modest means can live a life that no one imagined a generation ago. Yet Mr. Obama promises to raise taxes on "the rich." How to fix Social Security? Raise taxes. How to fix Medicare? Raise taxes. Prescription drugs? Raise taxes. Free college? Raise taxes. Socialize medicine? Raise taxes. His solution to everything is to have government take it over. Big Brother on steroids, funded by your paycheck.
Finally, look at the social issues. Mr. Obama had the audacity to open a stadium rally by saying, "All praise and glory to God!" but says that Christian leaders speaking for life and marriage have "hijacked" - hijacked - Christianity. He is pro-partial birth abortion, and promises to appoint Supreme Court justices who will rule any restriction on it unconstitutional. He espouses the abortion views of Margaret Sanger, one of the early advocates of racial cleansing. His spiritual leaders endorse homosexual marriage, and he is moving in that direction. In Illinois , he refused to vote against a statewide ban - ban - on all handguns in the state. These are radical left, Hollywood , and San Francisco values , not Middle America values.
The real Mr.Obama is an easy target for the general election. But Mr. Obama could win if people don't start looking behind his veneer and flowery speeches. His vision of "bringing America together" means saying that those who disagree with his agenda for America are hijackers or warmongers. Uniting the country means adopting his liberal agenda and abandoning any conflicting beliefs.
But right now everyone is talking about how eloquent of a speaker he is and - yes - they're talking about his race. Those should never be the factors on which we base our choice for president. Mr. Obama's radical agenda sets him far outside the American mainstream.
.

 

[bigg]

It's time to talk about the real Barack Obama. In an election of firsts, let's first make sure we elect the person who is qualified to be our president in a nuclear age during a global civilization war.
Kind of scary, wouldn't you think---
Remember--God is good, and is in time, on time--every time.
According to The Book of Revelations the anti-Christ is:
The anti-Christ will be a man, in his 40s, of MUSLIM descent, who will deceive the nations with persuasive language, and have a MASSIVE Christ-like appeal....the prophecy says that people will flock to him and he will promise false hope and world peace, and when he is in power, will destroy everything. Is it OBAMA??
I STRONGLY URGE each one of you to repost this as many times as you can! Each opportunity that you have to send it to a friend or media outlet...do it!
If you think I am crazy.. sorry but I refuse to take a chance on the "unknown" candidate.

 

[johnbob]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2712794
He does have some good idea, like saying that inflating your tires will save more oil than anything we can drill for

Maybe you watch too much politics. Obama never offered that as a solution. He merely stated it as away to conserve gas for the time being along with a few other ideas.

 

[aquaknight]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2712960
IMO the charisma or lack of charisma is no indication of the quality of the leader however being a good speaker helps. So when stories like this are told, i don't feel like it is an effective argument when discussing a politican. Mainly because I could write the same story about Reagan wonderful speaker strong conservative ideas that really to that point had not been brought to the political discussion on that scale.
Then all the person who is the supporter of the person you're alluding to is going to read how you just compared their candidate to Castro. And then they'll get ugly, and it would be a hard sell. (some might take it as a complement after all Cuba's medical system is really first rate according to the visionary michael moore.

)
Likewise a good public speaker is no reason to vote for someone anyway.

I don't think that's what the editoral meant. IMO, it meant changing just for the sake of change is not a good thing. In the 1950's Cuba needed a change, just like America needs something today. However, blindly reaching in the dark for something and grabbing the first thing that shines (an eloquent speaker perhaps) is terrible idea because you're not sure what you'll get. In Cuba's case, they got an iron-fisted Dicator who made everything worse. It's quite easy to make America worse... Keep the big picture in mind.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Johnbob
http:///forum/post/2713000
Maybe you watch too much politics. Obama never offered that as a solution. He merely stated it as away to conserve gas for the time being along with a few other ideas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akjXqfvLu28
It sounds to me like he is saying that airing up tires will save more oil than what drilling would produce? I may be wrong but that is what I hear...
When he says
...we could save all the oil they're talking about getting off drilling, if everybody was just inflating their tires, and getting regular tune-ups. You could actually save just as much. -Obama
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzZNP4tTfV0
I'm just going off what I've heard obama say.

 

[oscardeuce]

If Mr Obama is the candiate of change, then why is his ecomonic adviser Ms Tyson, the same one WJ Clinton had?
That's "change".

 

[shroomie2u]

Originally Posted by 1journeyman
http:///forum/post/2712785
And I'm not ignoring you.
If you post things like this expect your opinions to be challenged. If you want a pep rally find a different forum. Here, opinions will be challenged, from both sides.
then challenge them! don't sit there and expect a me to put up a link and a short story about how your candidate is better than mine. i'm not a debater. i'm a real person and i don't have a problem discussing things to a certin point, but we aren't sitting around a table in someone's living room, we are on a very public message board, and i may not feel so comfortable being "challenged" by 5 people ready to put links and articles and videos up to prove that mccain is the "one". i'm a single mom sitting here without insurance, 30 bottles of

[hr]
next to me that are keeping me alive, and a young child that can only have fruit in his diet during the first week of the month because we have been denied for food stamps, and you guys want to "challenge" my choice! so yea i see someone who is coming into the fight with a attitude that we need to do something different and i kinda like it!
so yeah ....i think i will take your advice.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by shroomie2u
http:///forum/post/2713162
then challenge them! don't sit there and expect a me to put up a link and a short story about how your candidate is better than mine. i'm not a debater. i'm a real person and i don't have a problem discussing things to a certin point, but we aren't sitting around a table in someone's living room, we are on a very public message board, and i may not feel so comfortable being "challenged" by 5 people ready to put links and articles and videos up to prove that mccain is the "one". i'm a single mom sitting here without insurance, 30 bottles of

[hr]
next to me that are keeping me alive, and a young child that can only have fruit in his diet during the first week of the month because we have been denied for food stamps, and you guys want to "challenge" my choice! so yea i see someone who is coming into the fight with a attitude that we need to do something different and i kinda like it!
so yeah ....i think i will take your advice.

 

[johnbob]

Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/2713021
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akjXqfvLu28
It sounds to me like he is saying that airing up tires will save more oil than what drilling would produce? I may be wrong but that is what I hear...
When he says
...we could save all the oil they're talking about getting off drilling, if everybody was just inflating their tires, and getting regular tune-ups. You could actually save just as much. -Obama
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzZNP4tTfV0
I'm just going off what I've heard obama say.

I stand corrected.

 

[stdreb27]

Originally Posted by Johnbob
http:///forum/post/2713201
I stand corrected.
If I were an obama spinner, this is what I'd say, Obama was simply adding a little brevity by saying if McCain drilled everywhere he says drill here drill now, he wouldn't get a drop of oil oil. And "properly inflated tires" would make up for that. Then ignore the fact that there is a MASSIVE reserve in the Dakotas. Because after all the media would run with this.