This is not going to help Toyota...

socal57che

socal57che

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3242612
Yep. Ford had a recall too. I think it has more to do with Toyota being non union than the government owning GM.
Couple that with the fact that Toyota looks like it's trying to shrug the issue off. I think they are trying to avoid some HUGE lawsuits by not admitting there has been a problem since 2000. I think one article mentioned 39 deaths related to this type of malfunction since 2000. That could potentially bankrupt the company.
 
mantisman51

mantisman51

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About a year ago I reminded you folks of the power window/doorlock relay fires in the 88-91 Camry and the 2007-2009 Tundra broken leaf spring shackles(just a couple of dozens of Toyota issues). In every case that Toyota has killed people and had serious quality issues the brain-dead Toyota converts justified the cover-up that Toyota and their allies in the media engaged in and said "Except for this one problem, Toyota is the best quality company...blah, blah, blah." So Toyota killing people, again, isn't the problem? It's a government conspiracy to hurt "the best quality company in the world"? Toyota sycophants have the same religious faith in a damn car company as any cult. Toyota has been buying off the automotive press and Consumer Reports for years. They will attempt to cover this up, just like all the other bad engineering issues at Toyota. The worst thing is the American public will eat it up. So for all you Toyota faithful: "Except for this one problem..."
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by mantisman51
http:///forum/post/3242757
About a year ago I reminded you folks of the power window/doorlock relay fires in the 88-91 Camry and the 2007-2009 Tundra broken leaf spring shackles(just a couple of dozens of Toyota issues). In every case that Toyota has killed people and had serious quality issues the brain-dead Toyota converts justified the cover-up that Toyota and their allies in the media engaged in and said "Except for this one problem, Toyota is the best quality company...blah, blah, blah." So Toyota killing people, again, isn't the problem? It's a government conspiracy to hurt "the best quality company in the world"? Toyota sycophants have the same religious faith in a damn car company as any cult. Toyota has been buying off the automotive press and Consumer Reports for years. They will attempt to cover this up, just like all the other bad engineering issues at Toyota. The worst thing is the American public will eat it up. So for all you Toyota faithful: "Except for this one problem..."
I'm sorry, but you can tell those stories about every car manufacturer out there...
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/3242850
Exactly, that kind of flies in the face of the superior Japanese car myth.
I own 2 cars, a domestic and a foreign car. The domestic car has had the transmission rebuild at 65k miles and now it is acting like one of the bands is slipping so it might be time for another tranny again. The foreign car's only problem (with similar milage) is I cracked a windshield when getting hit by a rock.
I'll probably NEVER buy another ford car.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by stdreb27
http:///forum/post/3242853
I own 2 cars, a domestic and a foreign car. The domestic car has had the transmission rebuild at 65k miles and now it is acting like one of the bands is slipping so it might be time for another tranny again. The foreign car's only problem (with similar milage) is I cracked a windshield when getting hit by a rock.
I'll probably NEVER buy another ford car.
And I'll never buy nothing but. We did get a Saturn which isn't bad but they went away. In 34 years of driving I've had Fords, Toyota, Subaru, GM, Pontiac, Chevy, and drove Nissans and Subaru for work. I honestly can't say Toyotas were any better than the rest and I personally had the best luck with Ford and the Nissans. Until Nissan starts building a real truck I am kind of stuck with Ford.
 
socal57che

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Originally Posted by mantisman51
http:///forum/post/3242775
"Unable to generate their own thoughts"; ie, "Toyota said it so it must be true".
Then I must have misunderstood you. I took it that you were insinuating that Toyota owners in general were brain dead and "unable to generate their own thoughts" as you put it.
Just recently Toyota relinquished their throne as the overall best built vehicles in the country with the highest percentage of satisfied customers. Calling someone brain dead for wanting to own one is not an accurate statement, sir.
Oh, and a Japanese car company filled the spot at the top that Toyota lost. Honda. The Japanese cars that I have owned over the years required less money to keep them on the road than thier American and European counterparts did. That is my experience with Japanese cars. If you want to hate them just because their grandparents shot at your grandparents, then that's your right, but don't call me brain dead for wanting to own a car that costs me less to operate.
 
aquaknight

aquaknight

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Originally Posted by socal57che
http:///forum/post/3242885
Best cars for the money-2010...
http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com...ney-Slideshow/
You can count the American cars on one hand and have fingers left over.

reefraff, your Ford full size pickup is there.

This has always been one of the things that royally grinds-my-gears. These are cars, not refrigerators or water heaters... There's so much more then that bottom dollar line. Just a few examples the "best small sportscar for your money" happened to be the Miata. Maybe it's just me, but in a sportscar, value is seriously near the bottom of importance. Just a thought hear, but maybe the sportscar that handles the best, goes/accelerates the fastest, would be slightly more important? Or the best dollar pickup. I dunno, maybe the truck with the best engine that tows/hauls the most should probably be far more important decision when purchasing a truck.
Or someone buy that $50,000+ Corvette, or honestly someone buying a $65,000+ Land Cruiser thats worried about how far their buck goes, should be slapped....
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by socal57che
http:///forum/post/3242885
Best cars for the money-2010...
http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com...ney-Slideshow/
You can count the American cars on one hand and have fingers left over.

reefraff, your Ford full size pickup is there.

I am not sure how they come up with those ratings but to include the honda fit makes me question that. I know 2 people with them that can't stand them. I've heard they are not up to Honda's usual standard. Thats why I think a lot of these lists are based more on hype than reality.
 
socal57che

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JD Power tells the same story....well, basically the same. Japanese cars consistently rank higher than others. Period.
So, every poll and customer survey is incorrect and the Japanese cars are junk, but we stupid 'mericans buy them anyway? People, give yourselves a little credit. The stats on customer satisfaction come from the surveys that you get 6 months after the purchase. Are people lying on the surveys to make their crappy cars look good in the reviews? I hardly think so. From experience and having grown up in a strict "buy American" home, I can honestly say that my Japanese cars lasted longer with fewer problems than non Japanese cars.
How many surveys shall I link to before you guys admit that there seems to be a pattern of people highly satisfied with their Japanese cars? I simply pulled a survey on 2010 best buys. I'm sure there are hundreds of other categories.
Oh, and before I drop $60K+ on a luxury sports car, I want to know I'm getting the most bang for my buck. The Honda Fit is prolly the only car in that class and won by default.
 
socal57che

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"Toyota Motor Corporation Captures Ten Segment Awards; Ford Motor Company Garners Four
WESTLAKE VILLAGE, Calif.: 19 March 2009 — Buick and Jaguar each rank highest in vehicle dependability in a tie, according to the J.D. Power and Associates 2009 Vehicle Dependability StudySM (VDS) released today. Buick improves from a sixth-place ranking in 2008, while Jaguar improves from 10th place. Following in the top five rankings this year are Lexus, Toyota and Mercury.
Toyota garners five segment awards—more than any other nameplate in 2009—for the Highlander, Prius, Sequoia, Solara and Tundra. Lexus follows with four segment awards for the ES 330 (in a tie with the Acura RL), GX 470, LS 430 and SC 430. Lincoln captures two awards for the Mark LT and Zephyr. Models by Acura, Buick, Dodge, Ford, Honda, Mazda, Mercury, Nissan and Scion each rank highest in one segment."
http://businesscenter.jdpower.com/ne...spx?ID=2009043
 
aquaknight

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Originally Posted by socal57che
http:///forum/post/3242918
Oh, and before I drop $60K+ on a luxury sports car, I want to know I'm getting the most bang for my buck.
Then well, you ain't buying no Japanese car, that's for sure. The Lexus SC430 is a relic from the past that thankfully will be put down in July.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by socal57che
http:///forum/post/3242918
JD Power tells the same story....well, basically the same. Japanese cars consistently rank higher than others. Period.
So, every poll and customer survey is incorrect and the Japanese cars are junk, but we stupid 'mericans buy them anyway? People, give yourselves a little credit. The stats on customer satisfaction come from the surveys that you get 6 months after the purchase. Are people lying on the surveys to make their crappy cars look good in the reviews? I hardly think so. From experience and having grown up in a strict "buy American" home, I can honestly say that my Japanese cars lasted longer with fewer problems than non Japanese cars.
How many surveys shall I link to before you guys admit that there seems to be a pattern of people highly satisfied with their Japanese cars? I simply pulled a survey on 2010 best buys. I'm sure there are hundreds of other categories.
Oh, and before I drop $60K+ on a luxury sports car, I want to know I'm getting the most bang for my buck. The Honda Fit is prolly the only car in that class and won by default.

I don't think they are junk, I just see no difference in their build quality than any other car I've had, except for the 70's era US stuff. I got killed driving a 95 Nissan pickup. I seriously doubt being in a Ranger or S10 would have left me any better off but having driven a 94 Ranger which I owned, 91 S10 which I owned, a 94 Toyota and the Nissan for work I thank god I wasn't in the Toyota or S10. Those were flimsy compared to the others.
Forgot the point of the post. The company I worked for had a bunch of small trucks and according to the guy at corporate they weren't buying any more toyotas because they gave them the most trouble. They had Ford and Nissans mostly but were trying out S 10's about the time I left. It was pretty much a toss up as far as which of those two held up best. But the king of the hill as far as longevity was a Mitsubishi, that thing had an insane amount of miles on it without a major failure. When I got in the wreck that thing was still being used daily and had close to 300,000 on it. Not bad for a 4 cylinder 4x4. Of course the other Mitsis they bought at the same time didn't hold up so well. They also had some Suburu Justys that were rolling death traps but they held up great mechanically. The trim and ******** was crap but they would get you where you needed to go.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by socal57che
http:///forum/post/3242921
"Toyota Motor Corporation Captures Ten Segment Awards; Ford Motor Company Garners Four
WESTLAKE VILLAGE, Calif.: 19 March 2009 — Buick and Jaguar each rank highest in vehicle dependability in a tie, according to the J.D. Power and Associates 2009 Vehicle Dependability StudySM (VDS) released today. Buick improves from a sixth-place ranking in 2008, while Jaguar improves from 10th place. Following in the top five rankings this year are Lexus, Toyota and Mercury.
Toyota garners five segment awards—more than any other nameplate in 2009—for the Highlander, Prius, Sequoia, Solara and Tundra. Lexus follows with four segment awards for the ES 330 (in a tie with the Acura RL), GX 470, LS 430 and SC 430. Lincoln captures two awards for the Mark LT and Zephyr. Models by Acura, Buick, Dodge, Ford, Honda, Mazda, Mercury, Nissan and Scion each rank highest in one segment."
http://businesscenter.jdpower.com/ne...spx?ID=2009043
It's all good until accelerator goes haywire
 
stdreb27

stdreb27

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Originally Posted by AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/3242923
Then well, you ain't buying no Japanese car, that's for sure. The Lexus SC430 is a relic from the past that thankfully will be put down in July.
but unless you guy German do the Japs really have a good 50k+ luxury sports car? I think Caddy and the Germans still have that market pretty well sewn up.
 
zsalinas

zsalinas

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This whole story is crazy. The ridiculous part is the only advice he was given was to jam the brakes and pull the E-brake to make the car stop. How in the hell did nobody think to put the car in NEUTRAL?! You can be driving at any speed and put a car into neutral. I know he must have been panic stricken but by the time my prius got all the way up to 90 mph that would've crossed my mind.
 
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