To Float or Drip, that is the question.
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king_neptune
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Originally Posted by spanko
http:///forum/post/3097704
I get the critter home, open the bag and remove about 1/2 of the water then float the bag in the tank and add one turkey baster of tank water to the bag. Then every 10 minutes I add another turkey baster of tank water. This goes on for an hour, then take the fish from the bag to the tank and discard bag and water it contains.
That is actually a pretty good happy medium. Ill give it a shot myself one of these days.
http:///forum/post/3097704
I get the critter home, open the bag and remove about 1/2 of the water then float the bag in the tank and add one turkey baster of tank water to the bag. Then every 10 minutes I add another turkey baster of tank water. This goes on for an hour, then take the fish from the bag to the tank and discard bag and water it contains.
That is actually a pretty good happy medium. Ill give it a shot myself one of these days.
flpriest
Member
Originally Posted by Cranberry
http:///forum/post/3097788
This is a key point in my method. You DO NOT open the bag during the floating process. The fish needs to come out immediately when the bag is open. Just to clarify
+1 me too
http:///forum/post/3097788
This is a key point in my method. You DO NOT open the bag during the floating process. The fish needs to come out immediately when the bag is open. Just to clarify
+1 me too
flpriest
Member
Originally Posted by Cranberry
http:///forum/post/3097857
With the build up of CO2 in the bags from an overnight trip, the pH is lowered. A low pH minimizes the effect of ammonia on the fish which occurs in transport water as a result of fish metabolism, besides other things. When you open that bag, the CO2 escapes, the pH rises and the ammonia which was non toxic now becomes toxic. There's going to be a drastic change in pH no matter which way you look at it. When you open that bag it's going to bolt up. So if I leave him in the bag to drip, they have to go through a pH spike AND ammonia exposure. In my QT he'll just have the pH chage to deal with. I always know the salinity of the fish. I usually know the salinity of the fish I receive so it's all ready before hand. But a lot of people actually freshwater dip a new acquisition.... you can't exactly acclimate a fish to a FW dip.
EDIT: Did I answer the question? I float the closed bag in the QT tank. Then open it up and put the fish in the QT. Take a sample of water from the LFS to test their salinity before opening the bag so you can adjust it (don't ask, trust only your own reading). If you are buying online you have no choice but to trust them... but ask anyways. Test the salinity of the shipping water and notify the site if they were off. Enough people call them on wrong values and they soon start checking "for real".
+1 this is my thinking as well...
Like I said JMO, and as Cranberry stated there's more than one way to do things...
http:///forum/post/3097857
With the build up of CO2 in the bags from an overnight trip, the pH is lowered. A low pH minimizes the effect of ammonia on the fish which occurs in transport water as a result of fish metabolism, besides other things. When you open that bag, the CO2 escapes, the pH rises and the ammonia which was non toxic now becomes toxic. There's going to be a drastic change in pH no matter which way you look at it. When you open that bag it's going to bolt up. So if I leave him in the bag to drip, they have to go through a pH spike AND ammonia exposure. In my QT he'll just have the pH chage to deal with. I always know the salinity of the fish. I usually know the salinity of the fish I receive so it's all ready before hand. But a lot of people actually freshwater dip a new acquisition.... you can't exactly acclimate a fish to a FW dip.
EDIT: Did I answer the question? I float the closed bag in the QT tank. Then open it up and put the fish in the QT. Take a sample of water from the LFS to test their salinity before opening the bag so you can adjust it (don't ask, trust only your own reading). If you are buying online you have no choice but to trust them... but ask anyways. Test the salinity of the shipping water and notify the site if they were off. Enough people call them on wrong values and they soon start checking "for real".
+1 this is my thinking as well...
flpriest
Member
Originally Posted by King_Neptune
http:///forum/post/3097693
Then you come back in the morning to a fish laying at the bottom gasping because you shocked him into new water instantly. I'm just saying, Ive seen enough posts with people stressing their fish due to rushed acclimation. Losing a fish is never fun, and its worse when you could have prevented by taking the extra steps. What is 1-2 more hours doing the drip going to matter to the fish? Hes already in his water, it wont decay in that short amount of time.
I've never waken up to a fish laying on the bottom gasping for anything (maybe just lucky?
) It works for me and my tank...
http:///forum/post/3097693
Then you come back in the morning to a fish laying at the bottom gasping because you shocked him into new water instantly. I'm just saying, Ive seen enough posts with people stressing their fish due to rushed acclimation. Losing a fish is never fun, and its worse when you could have prevented by taking the extra steps. What is 1-2 more hours doing the drip going to matter to the fish? Hes already in his water, it wont decay in that short amount of time.
I've never waken up to a fish laying on the bottom gasping for anything (maybe just lucky?
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nihoa
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yep i get what you are saying thanks. without a qt tank i guess i am left to acclimate in the bag.
cranberry
Active Member
Originally Posted by King_Neptune
http:///forum/post/3097693
Then you come back in the morning to a fish laying at the bottom gasping because you shocked him into new water instantly. I'm just saying, Ive seen enough posts with people stressing their fish due to rushed acclimation. Losing a fish is never fun, and its worse when you could have prevented by taking the extra steps. What is 1-2 more hours doing the drip going to matter to the fish? Hes already in his water, it wont decay in that short amount of time.
But see, I don't consider what I do to be a rushed acclimation.... I consider it the better/safer choice when dealing with fish who has been in a bag for a long time.
http:///forum/post/3097693
Then you come back in the morning to a fish laying at the bottom gasping because you shocked him into new water instantly. I'm just saying, Ive seen enough posts with people stressing their fish due to rushed acclimation. Losing a fish is never fun, and its worse when you could have prevented by taking the extra steps. What is 1-2 more hours doing the drip going to matter to the fish? Hes already in his water, it wont decay in that short amount of time.
But see, I don't consider what I do to be a rushed acclimation.... I consider it the better/safer choice when dealing with fish who has been in a bag for a long time.
king_neptune
Active Member
Originally Posted by flpriest
http:///forum/post/3098183
I've never waken up to a fish laying on the bottom gasping for anything (maybe just lucky?
) It works for me and my tank...
Your turkey baster Idea is actually a really good one. I am going to try it myself.
http:///forum/post/3098183
I've never waken up to a fish laying on the bottom gasping for anything (maybe just lucky?
Your turkey baster Idea is actually a really good one. I am going to try it myself.
cranberry
Active Member
Just curious for data.....
- What acclimation procedure did you do?
- have you ever had a fish die within the first 24 hours?
What were the signs/symptoms, if any, that they were exhibiting?
How many fish did you perform this on in the last year and how many died within 24 hours?
sepulatian
Moderator
I drip acclmate into the QT, from QT to display, wherever. I always drip acclimate.
cranberry
Active Member
The method I'm talking about is just from bag to tank.... not between tanks.
K, I'll start....
K, I'll start....
- What acclimation procedure did you do?
Float in closed bag... open and dump (matched salinity beforehand) - have you ever had a fish die within the first 24 hours?
No
What were the signs/symptoms, if any, that they were exhibiting?
N/A See Above
How many fish did you perform this on in the last year and how many died within 24 hours?
Greater than 33. Zero premature deaths.
cranberry
Active Member
I had no idea the breeder I keep talking about was on this site.
Look at Post #6
Not scientific, but he deals with thousands of fish and is one of the most respected and knowledgeable guys I know.
Look at Post #6
Not scientific, but he deals with thousands of fish and is one of the most respected and knowledgeable guys I know.
mech-a-nic
Member
Also tank inacout for room Temp.... I keep my house around 68 to 70 year round ...... Dripping can cause them to get to cold. I has killed a sea Hair bofor for me so I float.
But I add 1/4 cup water to the bag from the tank every 20 mins or so for a copple of hours.
but I save a ton on not needing a Chiller
But I add 1/4 cup water to the bag from the tank every 20 mins or so for a copple of hours.
but I save a ton on not needing a Chiller
spanko
Active Member
Originally Posted by Cranberry http:///forum/post/3098541
I had no idea the breeder I keep talking about was on this site.
Look at Post #6
Not scientific, but he deals with thousands of fish and is one of the most respected and knowledgeable guys I know.
He was talking about horses there, does he have a different position on fish?
I had no idea the breeder I keep talking about was on this site.
Look at Post #6
Not scientific, but he deals with thousands of fish and is one of the most respected and knowledgeable guys I know.
He was talking about horses there, does he have a different position on fish?
cranberry
Active Member
Seahorses are fish, my friend. They have the same biological functions as all the rest. They differ, of course, in some ways as many fish differ from each other. But they aren't known for being partically hardy, certainly don't handle stress well (which IMO makes them a better indicator for what is stressful and what isn't) and would react to a change like any other fish.
This protocol wasn't established in the seahorse world.
This protocol wasn't established in the seahorse world.
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nihoa
Guest
[*]What acclimation procedure did you do?
ive always opened the bag when ive received it and taken out some of the water before floating them. my thought was less water = less time to temp acclimate and the sooner i can get fresh (tank) water into the bag. given what was said here ill leave the bag unopened while i float. depending on how much water is in the bag i add 1/2 cup to a cup of tank water every 15 min for at least 2 hours. then net the fish and send him/her on its way in the tank.
[*]have you ever had a fish die within the first 24 hours?
nope. we have lost fish within the first week due to ick and it could be argued that poor acclimation method might stress a fish furth making them more prone to ick?
[*]What were the signs/symptoms, if any, that they were exhibiting?
n/a
[*]How many fish did you perform this on in the last year and how many died within 24 hours?
7, none died within 24 hours.
ive always opened the bag when ive received it and taken out some of the water before floating them. my thought was less water = less time to temp acclimate and the sooner i can get fresh (tank) water into the bag. given what was said here ill leave the bag unopened while i float. depending on how much water is in the bag i add 1/2 cup to a cup of tank water every 15 min for at least 2 hours. then net the fish and send him/her on its way in the tank.
[*]have you ever had a fish die within the first 24 hours?
nope. we have lost fish within the first week due to ick and it could be argued that poor acclimation method might stress a fish furth making them more prone to ick?
[*]What were the signs/symptoms, if any, that they were exhibiting?
n/a
[*]How many fish did you perform this on in the last year and how many died within 24 hours?
7, none died within 24 hours.
flower
Well-Known Member
- What acclimation procedure did you do?
- Float the unopened bag..release fish into the container they came in..Using a turkey baster I remove water and replace with the same amount of tank water...every 10 min for about an hour to hour and 1/2 )
- have you ever had a fish die within the first 24 hours?
- 2
What were the signs/symptoms, if any, that they were exhibiting?
MIA never seen again after putting into the tank
How many fish did you perform this on in the last year and how many died within 24 hours?
around 20. 2 MIA.
meowzer
Moderator
Originally Posted by Cranberry
http:///forum/post/3098522
Just curious for data.....
http:///forum/post/3098522
Just curious for data.....
- What acclimation procedure did you do?
Float - have you ever had a fish die within the first 24 hours?
YES
What were the signs/symptoms, if any, that they were exhibiting?
One was a shrimp...it freaked out when it hit the water...IDK I let it get use to the water (I also did not test the water )
I have had a fish die (pajama cardinal) But it was half dead when it arrived...I was hoping it would live in DT but didn't
How many fish did you perform this on in the last year and how many died within 24 hours?
HMMM...probably at least 30...and I have lost 1 shrimp, and maybe 2 fish...in the first 24 hours that is
