lovethesea
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Watch Out Suckers
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lovethesea
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btw....someone is still selling an empty box and a game !!!!
scubadoo
Active Member
Originally Posted by keleighr
how many times have you all signed a cell phone agreement woth out reading the entire contract, same with a credit card, opening an account....???
I can gurantee if he printed out what was stated on the sites page they court would look at the buyer.
BUYER BEWARE wasn't said with out a good reason behind it.
I do not agree with what this person is doing. I think they are seriously taking advantage of the fack that it is near Xmas as well as knowing that right now this is the hardest thing to come across right now.
But from a court's perspective they will look at the entire page of what was written.
The buyer will lose.
do i think that would be right, of course not.
but in this day and age you REALLY have to look at where you are buying and who are you buying from.
especially on-line
Sevral years ago I worked in a DA's office in an economic crime unit as a forensic accountant (CFE). You can do a search on ebaaaaay right now and see similar auctions that are misleading and obviously set-up that way. One in particular does not even show the box, but all the contents that was originally contained inside. it goes on to list all the contets with the specifications.
it does state "box only" in a couple sentences. The seller is probably shill bidding with a couple ids in order to drive up the price to further decieve.
Even the FTC in their literature on internt sales emphasizes to look at the pictures closely ..and they usre the wording 'a picture is worth a thousand words". Again In the auction I viewed the box was not even pictures...but the contents pictured twice with detailed descriptions
Unfortunaely, in this country less than 10% of all white collar criminals are prosecuted with less than 5% ultimately conveicted and serving time.
Someone that is selling an empry box would have no reason to advertise contents, picture contents and describe contents unless the intent was to decieve and defraud.
Although always tough to prove, if you can prove intent then the individual is guilty.
The emphasis on the auction I viewed and based my comments on is obviously set-up to defraud...period.
how many times have you all signed a cell phone agreement woth out reading the entire contract, same with a credit card, opening an account....???
I can gurantee if he printed out what was stated on the sites page they court would look at the buyer.
BUYER BEWARE wasn't said with out a good reason behind it.
I do not agree with what this person is doing. I think they are seriously taking advantage of the fack that it is near Xmas as well as knowing that right now this is the hardest thing to come across right now.
But from a court's perspective they will look at the entire page of what was written.
The buyer will lose.
do i think that would be right, of course not.
but in this day and age you REALLY have to look at where you are buying and who are you buying from.
especially on-line
Sevral years ago I worked in a DA's office in an economic crime unit as a forensic accountant (CFE). You can do a search on ebaaaaay right now and see similar auctions that are misleading and obviously set-up that way. One in particular does not even show the box, but all the contents that was originally contained inside. it goes on to list all the contets with the specifications.
it does state "box only" in a couple sentences. The seller is probably shill bidding with a couple ids in order to drive up the price to further decieve.
Even the FTC in their literature on internt sales emphasizes to look at the pictures closely ..and they usre the wording 'a picture is worth a thousand words". Again In the auction I viewed the box was not even pictures...but the contents pictured twice with detailed descriptions
Unfortunaely, in this country less than 10% of all white collar criminals are prosecuted with less than 5% ultimately conveicted and serving time.
Someone that is selling an empry box would have no reason to advertise contents, picture contents and describe contents unless the intent was to decieve and defraud.
Although always tough to prove, if you can prove intent then the individual is guilty.
The emphasis on the auction I viewed and based my comments on is obviously set-up to defraud...period.
scubadoo
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Decpetive advertsing......to illustrate/document my point
Deceptive Advertising
Under both federal and state law, an ad is unlawful if it tends to mislead or deceive, even if it doesn't actually fool anyone. If your ad is deceptive, you'll face legal problems whether you intended to mislead the customer or not. What counts is the overall impression created by the ad -- not the technical truthfulness of the individual parts.
Over the years, the Federal Trade Commission has taken action against many businesses accused of engaging in false and deceptive advertising. If FTC investigators are convinced that an ad violates the law, they usually try to bring the violator into voluntary compliance. If that doesn't work, the FTC can issue a cease-and-desist order and bring a civil lawsuit on behalf of people who have been harmed. They can seek a court order (injunction) to stop a questionable ad while an investigation is in progress, and they can require an advertiser to run corrective ads, admitting that an earlier ad was deceptive.
Consumers often have the right to sue advertisers under state consumer protection laws. For example, someone who buys a product in reliance on a deceptive ad might sue in small claims court for a refund or join others (sometimes tens of thousands of others) to sue for a huge sum in another court.
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Deceptive Advertising
Under both federal and state law, an ad is unlawful if it tends to mislead or deceive, even if it doesn't actually fool anyone. If your ad is deceptive, you'll face legal problems whether you intended to mislead the customer or not. What counts is the overall impression created by the ad -- not the technical truthfulness of the individual parts.
Over the years, the Federal Trade Commission has taken action against many businesses accused of engaging in false and deceptive advertising. If FTC investigators are convinced that an ad violates the law, they usually try to bring the violator into voluntary compliance. If that doesn't work, the FTC can issue a cease-and-desist order and bring a civil lawsuit on behalf of people who have been harmed. They can seek a court order (injunction) to stop a questionable ad while an investigation is in progress, and they can require an advertiser to run corrective ads, admitting that an earlier ad was deceptive.
Consumers often have the right to sue advertisers under state consumer protection laws. For example, someone who buys a product in reliance on a deceptive ad might sue in small claims court for a refund or join others (sometimes tens of thousands of others) to sue for a huge sum in another court.
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scubadoo
Active Member
For those reading this thread and feel that have been a victim of internet fraud...you can file a report/claim here...
http://www.ifccfbi.gov/index.asp
http://www.ifccfbi.gov/index.asp
kablamo
Member
Oh come on, the xbox 360 is a big fat microsoft turd. It came out six mo. before playstation 3 and a year before nintendo revolutions because they KNOW they can't compete. It's like Maddox (http://maddox.xmission.com) said, having the best set of paints doesn't mean you will paint the best picture, just like having the most powerful components will not mean you have the best system. It's about Engineering here folks, not stuffing as much crap into a box as you can.
By the way, read the discription, it's not fine print, it says OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN that there is no system there and it is an empty box. It is not misleading at all
"I don't know if i can be any more clear, this is JUST THE BOX" is about what he said. Any buyer stupid enough to buy things without reading deserves to at least be reported to ---- for being dumb.
It's not like he said
Microsoft X-box* 360 brand new no reserve
It was Microsoft x-box 360 BOX ONLY
DUH DUH DUH DUH DUH.
The fine print on the cell phone thing is a little different...
FREE PHONE*
*with 25 year subscription and selling your children to us as slaves
Thats what sprint did to me*
*more or less
By the way, read the discription, it's not fine print, it says OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN that there is no system there and it is an empty box. It is not misleading at all
"I don't know if i can be any more clear, this is JUST THE BOX" is about what he said. Any buyer stupid enough to buy things without reading deserves to at least be reported to ---- for being dumb.
It's not like he said
Microsoft X-box* 360 brand new no reserve
It was Microsoft x-box 360 BOX ONLY
DUH DUH DUH DUH DUH.
The fine print on the cell phone thing is a little different...
FREE PHONE*
*with 25 year subscription and selling your children to us as slaves
Thats what sprint did to me*
*more or less
keleighr
Active Member
Originally Posted by Kablamo
Oh come on, the xbox 360 is a big fat microsoft turd. It came out six mo. before playstation 3 and a year before nintendo revolutions because they KNOW they can't compete. It's like Maddox (http://maddox.xmission.com) said, having the best set of paints doesn't mean you will paint the best picture, just like having the most powerful components will not mean you have the best system. It's about Engineering here folks, not stuffing as much crap into a box as you can.
By the way, read the discription, it's not fine print, it says OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN that there is no system there and it is an empty box. It is not misleading at all
"I don't know if i can be any more clear, this is JUST THE BOX" is about what he said. Any buyer stupid enough to buy things without reading deserves to at least be reported to ---- for being dumb.
It's not like he said
Microsoft X-box* 360 brand new no reserve
It was Microsoft x-box 360 BOX ONLY
DUH DUH DUH DUH DUH.
The fine print on the cell phone thing is a little different...
FREE PHONE*
*with 25 year subscription and selling your children to us as slaves
Thats what sprint did to me*
*more or less
LOL
Shoot if Nextel had offered up the kid piece I would have signed away!!! JUST kidding!!
I love my kids.
scubadoo
Active Member
Originally Posted by Kablamo
Oh come on, the xbox 360 is a big fat microsoft turd. It came out six mo. before playstation 3 and a year before nintendo revolutions because they KNOW they can't compete. It's like Maddox (http://maddox.xmission.com) said, having the best set of paints doesn't mean you will paint the best picture, just like having the most powerful components will not mean you have the best system. It's about Engineering here folks, not stuffing as much crap into a box as you can.
By the way, read the discription, it's not fine print, it says OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN that there is no system there and it is an empty box. It is not misleading at all
"I don't know if i can be any more clear, this is JUST THE BOX" is about what he said. Any buyer stupid enough to buy things without reading deserves to at least be reported to ---- for being dumb.
It's not like he said
Microsoft X-box* 360 brand new no reserve
It was Microsoft x-box 360 BOX ONLY
DUH DUH DUH DUH DUH.
The fine print on the cell phone thing is a little different...
FREE PHONE*
*with 25 year subscription and selling your children to us as slaves
Thats what sprint did to me*
*more or less
My analysis is based on a different ad then then one above sited by the original poster. It is the same scam and could be the same person but they have obviously changed the ad so it is even more deceptive. .
The ad I am referring to is quite deceptive..although it does state it is just a box in a few places.
When folks are scammed they already feel dumb and most do not pursue the scammers because thay feel ashamed. Until you have worked in the field of economic crime interviewing folks that have been ripped off you simply do not understand how they feel and how easy it was to take their hard earned money.
I can assure you in many cases people were not dumb in general...just trusting folks that believe in others...that was their 'weakness" in most cases.
Again, the auction I looked at differes from above and is obviously decpetive and set-up to defraud.
No, you do not have to report these folks for being dumb...I can assure most if not all already feel this way after learning their hard earned money has been taken from them.
michelle l
Member
After reading this thread two nights ago, I went and did a search to see if I could locate any more boxes. I found a few within a limited search time. One was identical to the ad posted at the top of this thread, with a much lower bid amount. One other was so vague that I actually e-mailed the guy and asked if it was a console box or an actual empty box. He responded that it was actually an empty box. It said something along the lines of, "Microsoft XBox360 Box. Following taken from microsoft.com," and then it had like 30 lines of stats about the XBox360 copied and pasted from the Microsoft website. It made it look as if it were the console box for the XBox that was for auction. Even being aware of the scam going on, I was still unable to decipher what was actually up for auction. If I weren't aware of the scam and was looking to buy an XBox360, it would have been easy to get sucked in.
I found a couple yesterday, and the bidding on one was at $550.00. The high bidder was named "Scambuster1" or something like that. I wonder if they are trying to stop what is going on?
Today I couldn't find any....and many people listing XBoxes were clearly stating, "Sealed, new in box" in the headline. If I were trying to sell an XBox360 for a huge amount, I'd be mad that there were all of these frauds out there selling empty boxes and scaring people off who were looking to buy a legitimate XBox360.
I'd never do that though...I feel that it's wrong to sell something for an obcene amount when it will be all over the market, on sale even, in a few short months because demand has been met. Just my .02 cents. I guess if there are people out there who are willing to pay $800, $900, or over $1000 for something that they will be able to get for far less later down the road, though, that's their business.
I found a couple yesterday, and the bidding on one was at $550.00. The high bidder was named "Scambuster1" or something like that. I wonder if they are trying to stop what is going on?
Today I couldn't find any....and many people listing XBoxes were clearly stating, "Sealed, new in box" in the headline. If I were trying to sell an XBox360 for a huge amount, I'd be mad that there were all of these frauds out there selling empty boxes and scaring people off who were looking to buy a legitimate XBox360.
I'd never do that though...I feel that it's wrong to sell something for an obcene amount when it will be all over the market, on sale even, in a few short months because demand has been met. Just my .02 cents. I guess if there are people out there who are willing to pay $800, $900, or over $1000 for something that they will be able to get for far less later down the road, though, that's their business.
keleighr
Active Member
ok you really need to go on to this sight and check out the Weird section.
You go into Everything else then Weird or maybe it is Really Weird something like that.
I have seen a piece of toast that someone had drawn a stick figure of Brittany
[hr]
's baby on it.
Sold for $10,000
I totally swear!!
There are some people out there who will buy anything
You go into Everything else then Weird or maybe it is Really Weird something like that.
I have seen a piece of toast that someone had drawn a stick figure of Brittany
[hr]
's baby on it.
Sold for $10,000
I totally swear!!
There are some people out there who will buy anything
mudplayerx
Active Member
The fraud protection on the bay is a JOKE. They want YOU to pay ---- money to investigate your fraud case. If the fraud is over $250 they tell you to submit a form to the fbi, and then you never get a reply back from anyone. A week later if you try to bring up the case, the bay deletes the auction # and you have no proof.
my way
Active Member
Out of boredom I checked it out and found a person selling an email address for $560. I emailed in the question and told him he should be shot and was nothing more than a scam artist for trying to take advantage of people at christmas( Oops sorry. the Holiday) time, so with my luck the feds will be knocking on my door to arrest me for threating this yo-yo. I then tried to email ---- to tell them to keep an eye on these things, but they make it such a pain that I gave up. After seeng what they are asking for these things people deserve to get ripped off, well they are if they are paying upwards of $1500 for one. What is retail on a 360 anyway?
popnfrresh
Member
When the xbox first came out i noticed auctions for a gmail account being sold for 300$!. A FREE gmail account for 300$. how nice is that...