Way to go California Supreme Court

reefreak29

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2612847
That's the problem with your disagreement. You want to bring religion into the debate. It has nothing to do with religion. If a homosexual doesn't believe in God, then there shouldn't be any problem with them getting married. AGAIN, it's a legal issue. If you don't want homosexuals getting married in your church, fine. Ban them from having formal religious wedding ceremonies. You'd find they would have no problem with that. You want to chastise a class of individuals because it goes against YOUR moral principles. The religious zealots are who keep this country in the Dark Ages.
sorry but if you are going to allow same s ex marriage then you need to allow brothers and sisters ,cousins and anyone else get married to someone they have strong feelings for . any how its like beeting a dead horse , its inevitable the bible tells us in the end times this will happen so I guess im happy were getting there sooner then later
 

salty blues

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2612847
That's the problem with your disagreement. You want to bring religion into the debate. It has nothing to do with religion. If a homosexual doesn't believe in God, then there shouldn't be any problem with them getting married. AGAIN, it's a legal issue. If you don't want homosexuals getting married in your church, fine. Ban them from having formal religious wedding ceremonies. You'd find they would have no problem with that. You want to chastise a class of individuals because it goes against YOUR moral principles. The religious zealots are who keep this country in the Dark Ages.
Did you read the second part of my post? Take out morality or "religion" as you say. I still don't get the physical and s e x ual aspect of same s e x attraction. It just makes no natural sense. It doesn't just go against moral principles, it goes against nature's principles.
I see one of your points though in that it is likely difficult for a homo s e xual to believe in God.
 

angler man

Member
Originally Posted by socal57che
http:///forum/post/2612822
I don't want this garbage streamed into my living room, therefore, I do not have "TV."
We have a TV, but we hardly ever use it anymore. Everything on it is crap. :(
I don't know when the last time I have taken my family to the Movies.
Sad.
 

1journeyman

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Originally Posted by bionicarm
http:///forum/post/2612847
.... . If you don't want homosexuals getting married in your church, fine. Ban them from having formal religious wedding ceremonies. You'd find they would have no problem with that.
Not true. http://www.lcsun-news.com/ci_8893673
A Photographer, who refused to work for a gay civil ceremony, was fined.
Once non-traditional marriages are legalized churches could very well lose their ability to only perform traditional marriages. To pretend the homosexual agenda is only out for "equal rights" is ignoring history.
Originally Posted by bionicarm

You want to chastise a class of individuals because it goes against YOUR moral principles. The religious zealots are who keep this country in the Dark Ages.
I don't want to chastise anyone. I do, however, want to preserve the definition of marriage.
Let's not forget, religious "zealots" founded our country, wrote our Declaration of Independence, fought against the British for our Nation's freedom, wrote our Constitution, and made this country what it is today. I would hardly consider that keeping a Nation in the Dark Ages...
 

reefreak29

Active Member
Devastating Consequences of
Homosexual Marriage
Footing the Bill for Gay Lust part 1
Aside from the obvious spiritual, moral and "structure of society" reasons, lets look at the cold hard financial effect of same --- marriage in California.
Statistics show it is a FACT that the average gay couple does not last long. In San Francisco, flooded with bath houses and all the activities that go with the average gay life style, you have a people determined to have their --- regardless of the consequences, which are now being reaped, including AIDS and many other STDs. These diseases can become very costly. "Among Gay men in King County, syphilis rates are 100 times higher than in the general heterosexual population, and are estimated to be 1000 times higher among HIV positive Gay men than among the general heterosexual population." (a) As of 10/2003, there are over 50,000 Californians with full blown AIDS and it continues to increase. There are 107,837 to 124,305 estimated in California with HIV/AIDS. (1)
Compounding the problem, Dr. Max Essex, chair of the Harvard AIDS Institute, warned congress that "AIDS has already led to other kinds of dangerous epidemics...If AIDS is not eliminated, other new lethal microbes will emerge, and neither safe --- nor drug free practices will prevent them." (2) (update: see new finding)
So if you're newly diagnosed with HIV, and you don't have health insurance, what can you do?
You get married. BOOM. Medical benefits.
Would it be hard to find a casual gay partner to marry to help with medical costs? How many "in name onlys" do you think might crop up? How many "understandings" will be joined so that the woes of homosexuality can be treated? How many gay men or women, who have clearly ignored what the Bible says, will hesitate to take a vow in order to cash in for medical benefits?
Who cares, right? After all, it's just some insurance company that's going to foot the bill. Right?
Medical benefits are getting harder to find. Employees are already asked to pay more co-payments. If and when homosexual marriages begin, the insurance companies are going to be flooded with claims for partners that will probably come and go with the wind, marriages of medical convenience with no care about the sanctity of marriage, or the joining of souls, which is purposed to provide for little children.
How many legitimately married couples are going to lose their medical benefits because companies can no longer afford the skyrocketing cost of medical insurance, footing the bill for all the AIDS and STD victims who cared more about the partner of the month than they did their own medical safety?
How many children will be in sincere need of medical care, but there won't be any, because medical benefits became too expensive, taking care of every STD victim suffering because of their determination to satisfy their lust no matter what the consequences?
WE DO NEED TO HELP AIDS VICTIMS AND THOSE SUFFERING WITH STDs, and we need to love and reach out to homosexuals, but reducing the sanctity of marriage to a game of matrimonial hop-scotch to see who-marries-who to gain medical benefits, all the while GLSEN infiltrating our public schools and (in my opinion) recruiting boytoys (3) to share in this lifestyle of pain and despair, perpetuating the problem and increasing the number of victims...
well, I was thinking about objecting...but I'm afraid of being called "homophobic" so maybe I'll just go hide in this corner....
Not.
 

reefreak29

Active Member
Gay activist demands for homosexual marriage force opponents to point out distasteful facts:
FACT: Statistics prove the average homosexual is highly promiscuous. In a 6-month long study, gays averaged 110 --- partners a year. (1) & see below
FACT: AIDS/HIV is predominantly caused by gay activities/life style. (below
Homosexual Promiscuity:
Anne Peplau, a psychology professor at the University of California at Los Angeles, acknowledges that homosexuals are far more commonly involved in infidelity, which she justifies by claiming it is not harmful in an open relationship. (2)
A Seattle AIDS group admits homosexual culpability: "Gay, Bisexual, and other men who have --- with men must act against the behaviors and attitudes responsible for the increased spread of these diseases. Today, one in seven Gay, Bisexual, and other men who have --- with men are infected with HIV. Among Gay men in King County, syphilis rates are 100 times higher than in the general heterosexual population, and are estimated to be 1000 times higher among HIV positive Gay men than among the general heterosexual population. These rates show we have stopped doing the things that protect us and our --- partners from needless infection." (3)
Even back in 1994, before homosexuality gained popularity, America’s largest gay magazine The Advocate admitted: "Fifty-seven percent of gay readers claimed more than thirty sexual partners during their lifetime. Thirty-five percent claimed more than one hundred sexual partners in their lifetime. Forty-eight percent admitted having a 'three-way' sexual encounter during the past five years. Twenty-nine percent admitted to meeting their partners in a bathhouse or a --- club." (2)
Admitting the Primary Transmitter, Homosexuals
Research from the University of Chicago shows that "AIDS and HIV infection are likely to remain largely confined to gay men and intravenous drug users, their sexual partners and their children." (4)
Gunter Freehill, spokesperson for the county Office of AIDS Policy and Programs, campaigning for more AIDs funding, said that in Los Angeles the complexity of treating HIV-positive people and the high percentage of gay and bisexual men living with HIV/AIDS in the county add to the severity of need. Eighty-five to 88% of the AIDS cases in the county are among men." -AIDS Healthcare Foundation. (5)
"In the past, gay men have tended to have an above-average rate of infection with STDs. This is largely attributed to promiscuity," wrote Pharmacist Planning Service, Inc. "Additionally, some men are secretly bisexual. If a man picks up an STD from a homosexual encounter, he may then pass the infection on to unsuspecting heterosexual partners." (6)
Marriage & Medical Benefits:
Marriage was meant to provide for children, not matrimonial hop-scotch to procure medical benefits for the reckless lust of homosexuals who care more about their partner-of-the-month than their own medical safety. As described in Part 1, there are approximately 120,000 in California with HIV/AIDS, an extremely expensive illness to treat which will have a huge impact on medical insurance costs. Dr. Ron Valdeserri of the CDC confirmed the fear of mutant viruses and states HIV infections are on the rise, "This could be an indication that the drugs that have revolutionized HIV care in the United States are losing their efficacy due to mutant viruses." (9)
Activists contacted me and claimed "California state law already provides medical benefits to same---- partners." This simply isn't true. California law, AB 25, requires the POSSIBILITY of medical benefits is offered to employers by the insurance companies as a package for domestic partnerships IF EMPLOYERS so choose. Activists then claimed that many employers are already providing benefits to domestic partnerships, in fact, "everyone they know" which causes me to wonder if that is why medical insurance has been skyrocketing in California recently, with more employees paying co-payments while receiving less coverage. Less employers are offering medical benefits at all! This bill (thanks to Davis) recently passed in 2001.
Assemblyman Dennis L. Mountjoy exposed the ---- materials used by Los Angeles School District in --- education classes about homosexuality which include: "A note of encouragement follows profanity-laced tips on performing anal ---: ‘You may have to practice a bit before it starts feeling really good.’" see article at:(7) Militant gay groups are actively pursuing our children in public school. Lawsuits have curtailed some of it but the activists keep pounding for more access of our children.
 

reefreak29

Active Member
After writing "Devastating Consequences of Same --- Marriage"(8) I have been named "full of hate" and "intolerant" by liberal activists. Ironically one group, knowing I receive threats, has posted information simplifying my location for those who would want to hurt me. This from the tolerant? To those activist groups that label me, I will make a deal with you. I will be quiet about gay promiscuity, culpability for AIDS, and your demands of medical benefits through same --- marriage when you take your homosexual training out of public school. (hands on hips) Take your inductive plays and your campaigns to invite our ever-younger children into your medically unsafe lifestyle, your claims that anal --- is normal and should be tried, and get out. The gloves are off. I'm turning over tables. You have no right to our children.
I apologize for my bluntness, I have gay friends, I've lost some to AIDS, I've watched first hand how they suffer, I've wept over them and I've washed their feet. Homosexuals are to be loved and prayed for. But to demand homosexual marriage and promote homosexuality to children is an abomination. This lifestyle is proven deadly and any politician that furthers the cause and supports homosexual marriage does not care about America, society or our children
 

jmick

Active Member
And the religious right strikes again! Hooray, nothing like hiding behind religion to spout hate, ignorance and intolerance! I am sure this is exactly what the founding fathers had in mind for this great country.
 

crimzy

Active Member
I understand that the gay marriage issue may violate many peoples' definition of what a marriage is. It may also be contrary to your religious views. This is fine. But why do you have to agree with it for it to exist? The law allows for freedom of religion, abortion, smoking, drinking, premarital s-e-x, strip clubs and a lot of other things that people may disagree with. The law protects the right of someone to practice witchcraft or satanism, allows the KKK freedom of assembly. There are even states that have legalized prostitution.
Isn't there a value to an individual determining his/her own values and acting accordingly. The slippery slope argument has really gotten outrageous here. Basically, from what I've read from the opponents, they want to ban gay marriages because they are concerned about incestual marriages and bestiality marriages??? This is why you oppose gay marriages!?!? Anybody who really believes this truly needs some psychiatric therapy.
So I ask this... even if you don't agree with gay marriages, how does it affect you to the extent that you will campaign to prevent it for others who don't share your views?
 

scotts

Active Member
Who is the author of the study that you are citing. There is too much to read there, but where does it state that the average gay marriages last less than a year?
 

scotts

Active Member
100% agree Crimzy.
Once again I will say, if people are trying to "protect" marriage, why not work against the TV shows that make a mockery of Traditional marriages?
 

mie

Active Member
Adopting children or having them artificialy in gay or even single persons lifestyle is WRONG!!!!
Children need BOTH parents, there are some things that cannot be tought by by a mom or a dad it is a team effort.
Having children just for the sake of having them is selfish, and these persons and groups wanting them should be ashamed of themselves.
If you want someone to love you get a dog or a cat.
This is quite possibly what is RUINING our country.......
 

scotts

Active Member
Originally Posted by reefreak29
http:///forum/post/2612917
Resorting to derogatory remarks, I wouldn’t expect anything less
What is derogatory? You stated a fact. I asked you for your source. Your answer was, Everybody knows that. I am asking you to show a non-partisan report supporting your fact that the average gay marriage lasts less than a year.
 
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