mgatdog
Member
rudedog40;2532947 said:One fallacy to your theory is Mobil and Exxon don't just distribute gas through their stations. Alot of Mom and Pop stores use both companies to get their gas. I think Costco and Sam's uses Mobil or Exxon gas, but puts in their specific additives to make it 'their version' of fuel.
You beat me to it on this info.
aquaknight
Active Member
Originally Posted by ophiura
http:///forum/post/2532956
I agree, decrease in dependence on foriegn oil is critical. There is A LOT of oil around the US. Many areas in the US are off limits to drilling. I would say if you want cheaper oil, then you allow drilling. It is not a case of getting your cake and eating it too...wanting cheap gas but not the drilling or refineries. This sort of hipocrasy, IMO, has become something of the American way.
This is very true. I will pay $4.00 for gas and drive a car that barely gets 18mpg if it means we don't have to drill near my Everglades in the gulf or destroy more of Alaska. I don't like the term 'foreign oil' because it implies oil from all other countries are bad. I would agree somewhat we probably could find better people to buy from though...
That said, China's growth, and possibly $5 or $6 a gallon might change my opinion...
http:///forum/post/2532956
I agree, decrease in dependence on foriegn oil is critical. There is A LOT of oil around the US. Many areas in the US are off limits to drilling. I would say if you want cheaper oil, then you allow drilling. It is not a case of getting your cake and eating it too...wanting cheap gas but not the drilling or refineries. This sort of hipocrasy, IMO, has become something of the American way.
This is very true. I will pay $4.00 for gas and drive a car that barely gets 18mpg if it means we don't have to drill near my Everglades in the gulf or destroy more of Alaska. I don't like the term 'foreign oil' because it implies oil from all other countries are bad. I would agree somewhat we probably could find better people to buy from though...
That said, China's growth, and possibly $5 or $6 a gallon might change my opinion...
mgatdog
Member
Originally Posted by AquaKnight
http:///forum/post/2532991
That said, China's growth, and possibly $5 or $6 a gallon might change my opinion...
It's not to far off. My buddy was just over in China for his co. He told me you wouldn't believe what he seen.The mftr they buy from that there plant was 1/4 mile wide and 1/2 long and that was just only one of them. As for demand in U S it's going to go down cause greed corps and stock holders want more. Instead of taking a little profit.They out source jobs, move the mftr to China cause barrel oil to go threw the roof. Now we have no jobs Who going to buy there goods. What's the stockholder going to say about his profit then.
http:///forum/post/2532991
That said, China's growth, and possibly $5 or $6 a gallon might change my opinion...
It's not to far off. My buddy was just over in China for his co. He told me you wouldn't believe what he seen.The mftr they buy from that there plant was 1/4 mile wide and 1/2 long and that was just only one of them. As for demand in U S it's going to go down cause greed corps and stock holders want more. Instead of taking a little profit.They out source jobs, move the mftr to China cause barrel oil to go threw the roof. Now we have no jobs Who going to buy there goods. What's the stockholder going to say about his profit then.
digitydash
Active Member
You say the oil company are not greedy.Why are they making $50+billion a year in proffit after all is sayed and done?It greedy if you ask me.Opec can just decrease fuel production when ever they want.Then increase the crap out of it.I think we need more company refining it to get rid of the monopoly they have going.
1journeyman
Active Member
Again, oil is a global commodity.
If we drill more in the USA it will still be barreled and sold on the world market. Unless we can dramatically swamp the market with millions of barrels a day it will not significantly lower prices and speculation.
Oil companies are making "record" profits because they are selling record amounts of gasoline. If you look at the profit margins for oil companies versus many other manufacturers they are actually still in the middle of the pack. Not to mention they pay huge amounts of various taxes.
If we drill more in the USA it will still be barreled and sold on the world market. Unless we can dramatically swamp the market with millions of barrels a day it will not significantly lower prices and speculation.
Oil companies are making "record" profits because they are selling record amounts of gasoline. If you look at the profit margins for oil companies versus many other manufacturers they are actually still in the middle of the pack. Not to mention they pay huge amounts of various taxes.
digitydash
Active Member
See that where we are screwed up.We should pump our oil for ourself.These place that pump oil charge the public their $.15 to $1.00 Gal.If we are pumping oil also why are we paying almost $3.50 a gal
Here is a few that I see.
Caracas , Venezuela
$0.12
Kuwait
$0.78
Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
$0.91
Buenos Aires , Argentina
$2.09
Mexico City
$2.22
Here is a few that I see.
Caracas , Venezuela
$0.12
Kuwait
$0.78
Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
$0.91
Buenos Aires , Argentina
$2.09
Mexico City
$2.22
1journeyman
Active Member
Originally Posted by digitydash
http:///forum/post/2533210
See that where we are screwed up.We should pump our oil for ourself.These place that pump oil charge the public their $.15 to $1.00 Gal.If we are pumping oil also why are we paying almost $3.50 a gal
Here is a few that I see.
Caracas , Venezuela
$0.12
Kuwait
$0.78
Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
$0.91
Buenos Aires , Argentina
$2.09
Mexico City
$2.22
I highly suspect each of those nation's control the oil industry in their countries to varying degrees. I don't think any of us would want complete Government control of the private sector.
http:///forum/post/2533210
See that where we are screwed up.We should pump our oil for ourself.These place that pump oil charge the public their $.15 to $1.00 Gal.If we are pumping oil also why are we paying almost $3.50 a gal
Here is a few that I see.
Caracas , Venezuela
$0.12
Kuwait
$0.78
Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
$0.91
Buenos Aires , Argentina
$2.09
Mexico City
$2.22
I highly suspect each of those nation's control the oil industry in their countries to varying degrees. I don't think any of us would want complete Government control of the private sector.
cowfishrule
Active Member
ophiura
Active Member
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm..._mexgas26.html
Note several things:
First be sure you are comparing apples to apples (gallons to gallons and not gallons to liters).
Second note that many of those companies (um, Venenzuela !!) are state run highly controlled operations. Dictatorships, state run oil companies, etc. etc. Is that REALLY where you want to go?
http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lis...bal_gasprices/
Or they say it better, as a "benefit" to the people. Hmm. A benefit to "the people" aka communism or similar. Honestly, I don't think I want to live in some of the countries with those low gas prices.
Perhaps you don't need to have that fish tank either, or most of your paycheck...or heck, more than one kid, or a choice in anything you do.
Note several things:
First be sure you are comparing apples to apples (gallons to gallons and not gallons to liters).
Second note that many of those companies (um, Venenzuela !!) are state run highly controlled operations. Dictatorships, state run oil companies, etc. etc. Is that REALLY where you want to go?
http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lis...bal_gasprices/
Or they say it better, as a "benefit" to the people. Hmm. A benefit to "the people" aka communism or similar. Honestly, I don't think I want to live in some of the countries with those low gas prices.
Perhaps you don't need to have that fish tank either, or most of your paycheck...or heck, more than one kid, or a choice in anything you do.
digitydash
Active Member
I am just stating the difference in gas prices.I don't care if the are dictatorships or not if they can do it why can't we.I wouldn't care if the goverment controlled the fuel if it brought the prices down.I spent $200 week in gas compaired to about $90 last year.I have no choice but to pay it because my work revolves around driving.That with a decreased size truck to a Toyota Tacoma 4 cylinder.
Kuwait wouldn't even have their oil wells if it wasn't for us what gives their.
Kuwait wouldn't even have their oil wells if it wasn't for us what gives their.
ophiura
Active Member
Well if the Government controlled the fuel, they would control a lot of other areas of your life, including what and when and who can drive. I suspect if the government had to dish out the cost to explore for oil by nationalizing an oil company, that you would pay for it somewhere, believe me. So basically you are opposed to a market economy.
Just be careful when you talk to the tens of thousands of people in this country employed by oil companies or oilfield companies. And be sure you talk to the shareholders, whether they know it or not, who have 401Ks with probably at least some of their money invested in the oil industry (likely a huge percentage of people with 401K). And the auto industry, because like I said if the government had control over the oil, it is a sure bet they will start controlling the auto industry, and transportation industry in general. And your electrical costs, and all the other products that use petroleum in some fashion...that is a slippery slope indeed.
Just be careful when you talk to the tens of thousands of people in this country employed by oil companies or oilfield companies. And be sure you talk to the shareholders, whether they know it or not, who have 401Ks with probably at least some of their money invested in the oil industry (likely a huge percentage of people with 401K). And the auto industry, because like I said if the government had control over the oil, it is a sure bet they will start controlling the auto industry, and transportation industry in general. And your electrical costs, and all the other products that use petroleum in some fashion...that is a slippery slope indeed.
bang guy
Moderator
Originally Posted by digitydash
http:///forum/post/2533158
You say the oil company are not greedy.Why are they making $50+billion a year in proffit after all is sayed and done?It greedy if you ask me.Opec can just decrease fuel production when ever they want.Then increase the crap out of it.I think we need more company refining it to get rid of the monopoly they have going.
The dividends for shareholders isn't that outstanding for oil companies. It's good but less than many other companies.
Getting another refining company is an excellent idea. Unfortunately with the new environmental regulations nobody can afford to build another refinery in the U.S., not even Exxon.
http:///forum/post/2533158
You say the oil company are not greedy.Why are they making $50+billion a year in proffit after all is sayed and done?It greedy if you ask me.Opec can just decrease fuel production when ever they want.Then increase the crap out of it.I think we need more company refining it to get rid of the monopoly they have going.
The dividends for shareholders isn't that outstanding for oil companies. It's good but less than many other companies.
Getting another refining company is an excellent idea. Unfortunately with the new environmental regulations nobody can afford to build another refinery in the U.S., not even Exxon.
reefraff
Active Member
Originally Posted by digitydash
http:///forum/post/2533158
You say the oil company are not greedy.Why are they making $50+billion a year in proffit after all is sayed and done?It greedy if you ask me.Opec can just decrease fuel production when ever they want.Then increase the crap out of it.I think we need more company refining it to get rid of the monopoly they have going.
Before you go flappin your gums about greedy oil companies why don't you go research profit margins for oil companies vs. say Apple Computer, MGM Grand, Pfizer, google etc. Exxon spends hundreds of billions to produce the goods and services they sold to produce their profit. Shouldn't they be expected to have a large profit compared to say a company that spends 100 million?
http:///forum/post/2533158
You say the oil company are not greedy.Why are they making $50+billion a year in proffit after all is sayed and done?It greedy if you ask me.Opec can just decrease fuel production when ever they want.Then increase the crap out of it.I think we need more company refining it to get rid of the monopoly they have going.
Before you go flappin your gums about greedy oil companies why don't you go research profit margins for oil companies vs. say Apple Computer, MGM Grand, Pfizer, google etc. Exxon spends hundreds of billions to produce the goods and services they sold to produce their profit. Shouldn't they be expected to have a large profit compared to say a company that spends 100 million?
digitydash
Active Member
I will though flap my gums when I want if you don't like my posts don't read them then.
digitydash
Active Member
Originally Posted by reefraff
http:///forum/post/2533692
Public transportation
Unlike some I own my own buisness and need to drive.PT is not a option.
http:///forum/post/2533692
Public transportation
Unlike some I own my own buisness and need to drive.PT is not a option.
reefraff
Active Member
Originally Posted by digitydash
http:///forum/post/2533697
Unlike some I own my own buisness and need to drive.PT is not a option.
So what type of business are you the greedy owner of
Just bustin yer chops man.
http:///forum/post/2533697
Unlike some I own my own buisness and need to drive.PT is not a option.
So what type of business are you the greedy owner of
Just bustin yer chops man.
digitydash
Active Member
I do swimming pools.