Welfare vs. Working. Where's the incentive to work?

darthtang aw

darthtang aw

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Guess you've never been to Texas.
How many Wyoming's could fit in the State of Texas?  In West Texas, the nearest "town" to an oil rig facility could be 50 miles.  And that town may only have 10,000 - 15,000 people in it, with one or two grocery stores, and little or no rental space.  The nearest major city may be 100 or more.  You up for a 100 mile one-way commute to make $10/hour?
For a know it all Texan I am stunned that your representation is so wrong. I guess you never heard of Midland Texas. Doesn't surprise me though. They only pump out 17% of the nations oil.
 
bionicarm

bionicarm

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/393443/welfare-vs-working-wheres-the-incentive-to-work/100#post_3500832
For a know it all Texan I am stunned that your representation is so wrong. I guess you never heard of Midland Texas. Doesn't surprise me though. They only pump out 17% of the nations oil.
Used to work there on occasion. The reason Midland and Odessa are there is because of the oil boom. Before oil was discovered in that region, it was nothing more than a place for rattlesnakes and tumbleweeds. Little factoid - Odessa was built as a separate community where all the oil workers and other grunts that worjk the fields could live for a reasonable rate over the "pricey" town of Midland. The separation of class still exists there today if I recall.
 
jerthunter

jerthunter

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You obviously don't run a business. Your perception is misguided. Been in business for ten years and I have only fired a total of 3 employees.
Your logic is misguided. Even if you are completely logical and fair, a fact that I am willing to take your own word on, this does not imply every business owner is the same.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Jerthunter http:///t/393443/welfare-vs-working-wheres-the-incentive-to-work/100#post_3500982
Your logic is misguided. Even if you are completely logical and fair, a fact that I am willing to take your own word on, this does not imply every business owner is the same.
Most business owner are logical. If they weren't they couldn't stay in business. I've been in the position to hire and fire in more than one job. I had to justify my actions to "the boss" in each case. I was also in a supervisory roll in another and my input was usually involved. "I don't like this guy" was never a prime consideration. "People" or "customers" "don't like" did but that is a different issue. IME people who say they got axed because the boss didn't like them are just covering for the fact they didn't do a good job.
 
jerthunter

jerthunter

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Most business owner are logical. If they weren't they couldn't stay in business. I've been in the position to hire and fire in more than one job. I had to justify my actions to "the boss" in each case. I was also in a supervisory roll in another and my input was usually involved. "I don't like this guy" was never a prime consideration. "People" or "customers" "don't like" did but that is a different issue. IME people who say they got axed because the boss didn't like them are just covering for the fact they didn't do a good job.
I don't know where the farce that all private businesses are good came from, but it is insane. In my life I have had the luxury to be in numerous positions to observe a huge variety of companies and managers and bosses from an impartial point of view.
What I found out is that business owers are just like any other people, some are good and some are bad.
 
bang guy

bang guy

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It's human nature to blame unpleasant predicaments on someone else instead of pointing the finger at yourself.
 
reefraff

reefraff

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Originally Posted by Jerthunter http:///t/393443/welfare-vs-working-wheres-the-incentive-to-work/100#post_3501012
I don't know where the farce that all private businesses are good came from, but it is insane. In my life I have had the luxury to be in numerous positions to observe a huge variety of companies and managers and bosses from an impartial point of view.
What I found out is that business owers are just like any other people, some are good and some are bad.
Has nothing to do with good or bad. It's common sense and those without it don't tend to be successful. You don't dump an otherwise good employee just because you don't like them. If they are annoying other employees and customers then that's another issue. I am not saying it doesn't happen but it isn't common as you seem to think. I've seen a couple cases where a worker who wasn't personally liked was kept on because they did their job well.
 
jerthunter

jerthunter

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Has nothing to do with good or bad. It's common sense and those without it don't tend to be successful. You don't dump an otherwise good employee just because you don't like them. If they are annoying other employees and customers then that's another issue. I am not saying it doesn't happen but it isn't common as you seem to think. I've seen a couple cases where a worker who wasn't personally liked was kept on because they did their job well.
Maybe I exisit in a hotspot that has moved with me where all the petty bosses work which has skewed my perspective. Having never been fired yet (could happen any day, you never know) I have no reason to blame my situation on my bosses, but I have heard and seen the actions on many individuals in the position of authority, who mistreat individuals and then get rid of them because they can always find someone else(usually less skilled) to fill the position.
This isn't to say all employers are bad, just they aren't good, and back onto the point, these bad employers go through a lot of decent employees.
 
bang guy

bang guy

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Bad employers have a handicap in the marketplace. It doesn't mean they cannot be successful but their competition has an advantage over them right from the start.
 
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