Well done Mitt, you took it to him last night...

[bionicarm]

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/393144/well-done-mitt-you-took-it-to-him-last-night/120#post_3497804
Stereotyping who, people who are on the take from the government? Typical left wing mentality, baseless attack when the facts can't support your view.
Who makes 20K a year in the military? You omit Housing and sustenance allowances, separation and combat pay etc. Remember my kid is active duty. Low IQ people can still get good jobs. Look at Joe Biden LOL! Seriously unless you are getting into special needs folks there are still really good jobs for "dumb" people. Not to say they were dumb but a couple member of a friend's family worked for BFI hauling trash. You started out at 14 bux an hour with killer benefits riding around throwing trash in the truck. Their pension deal is once your age and years of service totaled 65 you could take full retirement. His brother started a few days shy of his 18th birthday and will retire on his 42nd birthday drawing about 73% of his ending salary. Not bad for a HS diploma. Construction is another area where all it takes is hard work although 0bama's failure to enforce our immigration laws makes it hard for an honest citizen to get those jobs now.
What companies pay pensions anymore?
An E1 living in Texas gets a Baisc Housing Allowance of $950 - $1500/month depending on where they are stationed:
http://images.military.com/media/benefits/pdf/bah-2012-with.pdf
An E1 with 4 years of service makes $1,491/month pay
http://www.military.com/military/benefits/0,15465,2012-1pt6-Pct-Military-Pay,00.html?registrationurl=/Registration/Login/
$1,491 x 12 = $17,892
BAH - $1,200 x 12 = $14,400
Total = $32,292.
For a family of four, that's pretty close to poverty level with our current standards of living.

 

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/393144/well-done-mitt-you-took-it-to-him-last-night/140#post_3497849
What companies pay pensions anymore?
An E1 living in Texas gets a Baisc Housing Allowance of $950 - $1500/month depending on where they are stationed:
http://images.military.com/media/benefits/pdf/bah-2012-with.pdf
An E1 with 4 years of service makes $1,491/month pay
http://www.military.com/military/benefits/0,15465,2012-1pt6-Pct-Military-Pay,00.html?registrationurl=/Registration/Login/
$1,491 x 12 = $17,892
BAH - $1,200 x 12 = $14,400
Total = $32,292.
For a family of four, that's pretty close to poverty level with our current standards of living.
Still a lot of companies paying pensions, just not nearly as many as once did.
How many people do you know or have herd of that are E1 and still in after 4 years? I don't think it's even possible. If you can dress yourself and don't shoot anyone the first promotion is pretty much automatic. Most military is E4 followed by E5 then E3. Only 5 percent are E1. Even so 17 grand plus another 14K for housing is pretty good when you also consider free healthcare and that is assume no deployment. Even not deployed my kid gets something besides the BAH, don't remember what is is but it's over a hundred bux a month. Right now he's in Korea so he gets separation pay and depending on what base he's stationed combat pay and if he draws combat pay then he doesn't have to pay federal income tax.

 

[bionicarm]

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/393144/well-done-mitt-you-took-it-to-him-last-night/140#post_3497859
Still a lot of companies paying pensions, just not nearly as many as once did.
How many people do you know or have herd of that are E1 and still in after 4 years? I don't think it's even possible. If you can dress yourself and don't shoot anyone the first promotion is pretty much automatic. Most military is E4 followed by E5 then E3. Only 5 percent are E1. Even so 17 grand plus another 14K for housing is pretty good when you also consider free healthcare and that is assume no deployment. Even not deployed my kid gets something besides the BAH, don't remember what is is but it's over a hundred bux a month. Right now he's in Korea so he gets separation pay and depending on what base he's stationed combat pay and if he draws combat pay then he doesn't have to pay federal income tax.
A person making minimum wage makes around $15K/year. So a family of 4 with two minimum-wage earners brings in right at $30K/year, which is the salary an E5 with 4 years receives. Don't you read/see the sob stories these military wives tell about how their sitting on these military bases living in virtual poverty, with little or no money while their husbands are doing yet another year-long tour in Iraq?

 

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/393144/well-done-mitt-you-took-it-to-him-last-night/140#post_3497910
A person making minimum wage makes around $15K/year. So a family of 4 with two minimum-wage earners brings in right at $30K/year, which is the salary an E5 with 4 years receives. Don't you read/see the sob stories these military wives tell about how their sitting on these military bases living in virtual poverty, with little or no money while their husbands are doing yet another year-long tour in Iraq?
I thought 0bama ended the war in Iraq??? LOL!
E5 with 4 in makes 30K plus the housing allowances and whatever else comes in for separation and combat pay and that doesn't include whatever the spouse might earn. My son's ex was one of those who felt entitled to sit on her ass instead of getting a job. Even so they still got by fine until she quit paying bills to save up enough money to fly to Hawaii to hang with her new boyfriend while my son was in Afghanistan LOL!

 

[acrylic51]

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/393144/well-done-mitt-you-took-it-to-him-last-night/140#post_3497859
Still a lot of companies paying pensions, just not nearly as many as once did.
How many people do you know or have herd of that are E1 and still in after 4 years? I don't think it's even possible. If you can dress yourself and don't shoot anyone the first promotion is pretty much automatic. Most military is E4 followed by E5 then E3. Only 5 percent are E1. Even so 17 grand plus another 14K for housing is pretty good when you also consider free healthcare and that is assume no deployment. Even not deployed my kid gets something besides the BAH, don't remember what is is but it's over a hundred bux a month. Right now he's in Korea so he gets separation pay and depending on what base he's stationed combat pay and if he draws combat pay then he doesn't have to pay federal income tax.
Thank you!!!!!! E-1 after 4 years.....They should put you out, should be automatic within 6 months if you have 1/2 a brain.......Military ranking is from
E-1
E-2
E-3
E-4
E-5
E-6
E-7
E-8
E-9
Then as pointed out making the most of the opportunities.....Go back to school, let the military pay for your schooling, and guess what.....School also counts towards promotion points.....Meet your cut off scores, from E-4 to make your E-5 and so on.....Some MOS's have their cut of scores locked so there is no promotions, but that's when your smart enough to consider picking up a secondary MOS and being retrained.....All about advancing your career or making the most of the opportunities......I should add from E-6 up promotions are set a bit differently.....DA selects for promotions......

 

[reefraff]

Should be an interesting couple weeks. Romney acted more like a president than 0bama tonight. He was also able to turn a foreign policy debate into an economic debate on multiple occasions. I think he did what he needed to. People who don't like the 0bameconomy should be comfortable voting for him.

 

[bionicarm]

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/393144/well-done-mitt-you-took-it-to-him-last-night/140#post_3497938
Should be an interesting couple weeks. Romney acted more like a president than 0bama tonight. He was also able to turn a foreign policy debate into an economic debate on multiple occasions. I think he did what he needed to. People who don't like the 0bameconomy should be comfortable voting for him.
Say what? He sat there with his typical litle smirk, then when Obama called him out on the multitude of flaws in his forign policy, he gave this "MOOMMM! Tell Barack to quit picking on me!". He acted like a wounded bird, talking in circles like he's done the last two years. He pulls out the stupid Bush theories, thinking we can "Democratize" our way out of the terrorist and volatile issues in the Middle East. How many times do the Republicans have to understand, you can't make peace with a bunch of religious radicals that have been fighting one another for the last 1000 years or so. IT WON'T WORK. And don't give me the "Look at Iraq today." Oh yeah, they have Democracy. They also still have car bombs going off all over their towns every week or so. You think it's so great over there, pack up and move. You'd be a great addition and a role model to all Iraqi's.

 

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/393144/well-done-mitt-you-took-it-to-him-last-night/140#post_3497939
Say what? He sat there with his typical litle smirk, then when Obama called him out on the multitude of flaws in his forign policy, he gave this "MOOMMM! Tell Barack to quit picking on me!". He acted like a wounded bird, talking in circles like he's done the last two years. He pulls out the stupid Bush theories, thinking we can "Democratize" our way out of the terrorist and volatile issues in the Middle East. How many times do the Republicans have to understand, you can't make peace with a bunch of religious radicals that have been fighting one another for the last 1000 years or so. IT WON'T WORK. And don't give me the "Look at Iraq today." Oh yeah, they have Democracy. They also still have car bombs going off all over their towns every week or so. You think it's so great over there, pack up and move. You'd be a great addition and a role model to all Iraqi's.
All I saw was 0bama attacking Romney more than defend his own record. If you have a good record you don't need to lie about your opponent or make snide remarks that most decent people think are beneath a president.

 

[acrylic51]

I don't see Romney having to many ideas of his own.......The deficit Romney tries to paint the picture with.....Face it...it was inherited.....His numbers don't add up

 

[stdreb27]

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Originally Posted by acrylic51 http:///t/393144/well-done-mitt-you-took-it-to-him-last-night/140#post_3497949
I don't see Romney having to many ideas of his own.......The deficit Romney tries to paint the picture with.....Face it...it was inherited.....His numbers don't add up
You could imply that. You could point out that the house has been run by the democrats since 06. Where budgets originate.
IMO Bush veered way left those last 2 years. And I'd argue that it just goes to show liberal ideology doesn't work no matter who passes it, W or Obama.

 

[darthtang aw]

Try Switzerland, Norway, or even the Cayman Islands.
Switzerland...where the top 10% hold 50% of the wealth? No, there is no disparity there.
Norway, where the number of those below the poverty level has more than doubled in the last four years? While they still possess a good low percentage, Norway in 2011 was 8th in a list of countries where they had one of the highest income gap increases.
The Cayman Islands...where there are no ridiculous taxes? this one I will give you...but wait...You want to increase taxes to balance our budget...so I guess following the Cayman style is out of the question.Especially when over 90% of the country is employed in the Service industry...but you are more concerned about manufacturing jobs here....So that is another strike against us following their "lead"
Say what?  He sat there with his typical litle smirk, then when Obama called him out on the multitude of flaws in his forign policy, he gave this "MOOMMM!  Tell Barack to quit picking on me!".  He acted like a wounded bird, talking in circles like he's done the last two years.  He pulls out the stupid Bush theories, thinking we can "Democratize" our way out of the terrorist and volatile issues in the Middle East.  How many times do the Republicans have to understand, you can't make peace with a bunch of religious radicals that have been fighting one another for the last 1000 years or so.  IT WON'T WORK.  And don't give me the "Look at Iraq today."  Oh yeah, they have Democracy.  They also still have car bombs going off all over their towns every week or so.  You think it's so great over there, pack up and move.  You'd be a great addition and a role model to all Iraqi's.
Ironic, the guy that complains about his own states stupid laws telling someone else to move.
But in all seriousness...this debate will have little effect on the polls. MLB and NFL not to mention WWE were all on.These shows took the majority of tonights viewership. So it wont matter who won the debate. However, constantly interupting you opponent and trying to talk over them when it is their turn to speak is the sign of desperation and childish. Obama did look a little better this debate than the previous two...but will it be enough?
The real funny thing is...when it came to foreign policy, they both were saying the same thing for the most part.
You could imply that.  You could point out that the house has been run by the democrats since 06.  Where budgets originate. 
IMO Bush veered way left those last 2 years.  And I'd argue that it just goes to show liberal ideology doesn't work no matter who passes it, W or Obama. 
Welcome back my friend.

 

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by acrylic51 http:///t/393144/well-done-mitt-you-took-it-to-him-last-night/140#post_3497949
I don't see Romney having to many ideas of his own.......The deficit Romney tries to paint the picture with.....Face it...it was inherited.....His numbers don't add up
Excuse me? Here's the last budget W proposed




Submitted by



George W. Bush







Submitted to



110th Congress







Total revenue



$2.7 trillion (requested)
$2.105 trillion (enacted)[sup][1]







Total expenditures



$3.107 trillion (requested)
$3.518 trillion (enacted)[sup][1][/sup]







Deficit



$407 billion (requested)
$1.413 trillion (enacted)[1][/sup]




Budget was signed by 0bama in March of 09. He piled 400 billion in additional spending and a bunch of tax credits into the budget that Bush never requested.

 

[bionicarm]

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/393144/well-done-mitt-you-took-it-to-him-last-night/140#post_3497956
Switzerland...where the top 10% hold 50% of the wealth? No, there is no disparity there.
Norway, where the number of those below the poverty level has more than doubled in the last four years? While they still possess a good low percentage, Norway in 2011 was 8th in a list of countries where they had one of the highest income gap increases.
The Cayman Islands...where there are no ridiculous taxes? this one I will give you...but wait...You want to increase taxes to balance our budget...so I guess following the Cayman style is out of the question.Especially when over 90% of the country is employed in the Service industry...but you are more concerned about manufacturing jobs here....So that is another strike against us following their "lead"
Ironic, the guy that complains about his own states stupid laws telling someone else to move.
But in all seriousness...this debate will have little effect on the polls. MLB and NFL not to mention WWE were all on.These shows took the majority of tonights viewership. So it wont matter who won the debate. However, constantly interupting you opponent and trying to talk over them when it is their turn to speak is the sign of desperation and childish. Obama did look a little better this debate than the previous two...but will it be enough?
The real funny thing is...when it came to foreign policy, they both were saying the same thing for the most part.
Welcome back my friend.
So when Obama sat there lethargic in the first debate, and let Romney walk all over him, Romney was just being "agressive" and "taking command of the debate". Obama does the same in debate 2 and 3, and it's "Obama just talks over Romney and acys childish". Riiiight. Romney got schooled, and you brush it off as not important because veryone was too busy watching sports shows. If he was determined to be the big winner, you'd be saying that it would've iced the candidacy for him. That's the problem with the Republican's. Can never admit defeat, it's always someone else's fault, and the opponent is devoid of reality and facts.
Look at the list of countries with the best GDP per capita in the world, and see where Norway and Switzerland ranks as opposed to the US:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita

 

[bionicarm]

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Originally Posted by reefraff http:///t/393144/well-done-mitt-you-took-it-to-him-last-night/140#post_3497958
Excuse me? Here's the last budget W proposed




Submitted by



George W. Bush







Submitted to



110th Congress







Total revenue



$2.7 trillion (requested)
$2.105 trillion (enacted)[sup][1]







Total expenditures



$3.107 trillion (requested)
$3.518 trillion (enacted)[sup][1][/sup]







Deficit



$407 billion (requested)
$1.413 trillion (enacted)[1][/sup]




Budget was signed by 0bama in March of 09. He piled 400 billion in additional spending and a bunch of tax credits into the budget that Bush never requested.
Bush's last budget proposal still didn't include the costs of the Iraq and Afghan wars. That was dumped on Obama in the 2009 budget.

 

[mantisman51]

No, the budget for the wars have always been a separate appropriation, paid for one year in advance. So, whatever money your Messiah has spent on the wars has been of his and his allies doing.

 

[darthtang aw]

Bush's last budget proposal still didn't include the costs of the Iraq and Afghan wars.  That was dumped on Obama in the 2009 budget.
Wrong...You are implying all the previous war costs were added to Obama's first budget. This is not the case. What Obama did do is factor in the yearly cost of the wars for each yearly budget going forward. The grand Total averaged out to a little over 100 billion in war funding per year. He also did not add in the war costs until 2010.
The previous cost of the wars before Obama took office were already tacked on to the deficit. They just weren't in the proposed budget each year and were added in later as supplementals. Something Obama himself has done twice. Not all the war costs were put on the books each year...there still has been supplemental funding votes.
The wars account for 10% of the budget deficit under Obama.

 

[bionicarm]

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Originally Posted by Darthtang AW http:///t/393144/well-done-mitt-you-took-it-to-him-last-night/140#post_3497974
Wrong...You are implying all the previous war costs were added to Obama's first budget. This is not the case. What Obama did do is factor in the yearly cost of the wars for each yearly budget going forward. The grand Total averaged out to a little over 100 billion in war funding per year. He also did not add in the war costs until 2010.
The previous cost of the wars before Obama took office were already tacked on to the deficit. They just weren't in the proposed budget each year and were added in later as supplementals. Something Obama himself has done twice. Not all the war costs were put on the books each year...there still has been supplemental funding votes.
The wars account for 10% of the budget deficit under Obama.
http://www.factcheck.org/2012/06/obamas-spending-inferno-or-not/

 

[deejeff442]

didnt the dems run the houses for the last 2 years of bush?so lets blame the houses not obama.but still democrats

 

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/393144/well-done-mitt-you-took-it-to-him-last-night/140#post_3497965
So when Obama sat there lethargic in the first debate, and let Romney walk all over him, Romney was just being "agressive" and "taking command of the debate". Obama does the same in debate 2 and 3, and it's "Obama just talks over Romney and acys childish". Riiiight. Romney got schooled, and you brush it off as not important because veryone was too busy watching sports shows. If he was determined to be the big winner, you'd be saying that it would've iced the candidacy for him. That's the problem with the Republican's. Can never admit defeat, it's always someone else's fault, and the opponent is devoid of reality and facts.
Look at the list of countries with the best GDP per capita in the world, and see where Norway and Switzerland ranks as opposed to the US:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita
Romney interrupted 0bama once or twice in the first debate after 0bama attempted to interrupt him several times. 0bama constantly interrupted Romney in the second debate, look at the tape. Please point out specifics where 0bama schooled Romney last night. I saw a president on stage last night and a Community Organizer who tried to lie his way through a presidential debate. From claiming he never wanted to leave 10,000 troops in Iraq to repeating his claims Romney didn't want to provide government loan guarantees for GM 0bama never let the facts get in the way of a good line LOL!

 

[reefraff]

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Originally Posted by bionicarm http:///t/393144/well-done-mitt-you-took-it-to-him-last-night/140#post_3497966
Bush's last budget proposal still didn't include the costs of the Iraq and Afghan wars. That was dumped on Obama in the 2009 budget.
You lie nearly as well as the Community Organizer LOL! The wars were never placed on budget. 0bama's stimulus and other crazy spending and welfare freebees is what blew up the 09 budget. The war costs were funded by continuing resolutions every year since they started and have been being paid for right along.