What are your thoughts on the Israel fighting going on?
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UK, a conscientious person can not be unsympathetic with your average Palestinian, just as most are terribly sympathetic with all "refugees" displaced by those that are more powerful. However, the world's nations are founded on the power of the strongest, and Israel is no different. I dare say the USA is founded on the blood and lost cultures of Native Americans or even the British! Should we return the land then? Nations are not handed out, they are won by strength and conquest. Israel has an alley that is formidable--the strongest nation the world has ever known--the USA. And as long as that is the case, then there will be a State of Israel in those lands.
Even saying that, the issue is still not that simple. Palestinians make it much harder on themselves then it needs to be. If the Palestinians did not support violence and terrorists, they would win a lot more in the way of land and nationhood. But no, that is not the way it is. Remember it is they that choice a terrorist government. Their choice. Sometimes, you just have to have a little wisdom to effect the changes you so desperately want. Since they are in the weakest position, it just makes sense to try to achieve their goals by diplomacy and cooperation rather than suicide bombs and kidnapping.
Even saying that, the issue is still not that simple. Palestinians make it much harder on themselves then it needs to be. If the Palestinians did not support violence and terrorists, they would win a lot more in the way of land and nationhood. But no, that is not the way it is. Remember it is they that choice a terrorist government. Their choice. Sometimes, you just have to have a little wisdom to effect the changes you so desperately want. Since they are in the weakest position, it just makes sense to try to achieve their goals by diplomacy and cooperation rather than suicide bombs and kidnapping.
pontius
Active Member
Originally Posted by UKCATS
http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=8388
"The Palestinian people will never give up getting their lands back and seeking for their right of return," said one of the leaflets.
On May 15, 1948, one day after the birth of Israel, the Arab-Israeli war broke out forcing hundreds of thousands of Palestinians to flee their homes.
And ever since, the Palestinians struggled for an independent state. About 4 million Palestinian refugees long for returning to their homes; now occupied by Israel.
1. I don't see aljazeera, which regularly broadcasts the gruesome beheadings of innocent people, to be a viable or unbiased news source.
2. the war that began in 1948 was due to the fact that Jordan, Egypt, and Syria attacked Israel on all sides, not for anything Israel had done.
3. the Palestinians have "struggled" for an independent state by sending out people with bombs attached to themselves to kill innocent Israeli men, women, and children. they have "struggled" for independence by electing a terrorist organization to be their government. and this did not just begin a few months ago with Hamas, it began decades ago when the terrorist Arafat took over. and it shows the restraint of Israel, because they could have killed Arafat at anytime they wished, they could have cleaned the map of the Palestinians anytime they wished, but THEY have been the ones working for peace while the Palestinians have done everything in their power to hinder any kind of peace process.
http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=8388
"The Palestinian people will never give up getting their lands back and seeking for their right of return," said one of the leaflets.
On May 15, 1948, one day after the birth of Israel, the Arab-Israeli war broke out forcing hundreds of thousands of Palestinians to flee their homes.
And ever since, the Palestinians struggled for an independent state. About 4 million Palestinian refugees long for returning to their homes; now occupied by Israel.
1. I don't see aljazeera, which regularly broadcasts the gruesome beheadings of innocent people, to be a viable or unbiased news source.
2. the war that began in 1948 was due to the fact that Jordan, Egypt, and Syria attacked Israel on all sides, not for anything Israel had done.
3. the Palestinians have "struggled" for an independent state by sending out people with bombs attached to themselves to kill innocent Israeli men, women, and children. they have "struggled" for independence by electing a terrorist organization to be their government. and this did not just begin a few months ago with Hamas, it began decades ago when the terrorist Arafat took over. and it shows the restraint of Israel, because they could have killed Arafat at anytime they wished, they could have cleaned the map of the Palestinians anytime they wished, but THEY have been the ones working for peace while the Palestinians have done everything in their power to hinder any kind of peace process.
ukcats
Member
1.Pontius, I appreciate what your saying but IF we watch and believe one news organization then we must accept that there may be other points of view. This is but another point of view, along with the Palestinian man that I met and spoke to. Again, it takes twoto have an argument, and i have found that the fault usually lies with both.
2. Your right! And I have yet to say anything Anti-Israeli. All Israel did was exist, which is the point I made in the first place. I am making the point that each side has points. The Arab/Palestinian point in this case is that the land Israel controls..right or wrong is disputed for one reason or another.
3. THEY, THEY, THEY!!! What is amazing when we are talking about terrorists...
We tend to lump all Muslims as terrorists. We must not generalize if we are to solve bigotry and discrimination throughout the world. The Irish Republican Army blew stuff up for years and yet I am pretty sure no one was labeling Catholics as terrorists. I am a Catholic and couldn't imagine a person calling me a terrorist. I believe that most people are good and reasonable. The Muslim religion is, at heart, a peaceful religion that practices some of the same core beliefs as Christianity. This is what your doing...with all due respect.
There are many bad people in this world, Timothy McVee was a Christian and a terrorist. These people are extremeists no matter what religion they are.
Beth, if the people of Palestine elected Hamas to represent them, so be it. That is their choice. I have to believe that there was a reason that they thought they MUST do it. No one wants violence or war. Those of us with children know this. There is an underlying issue of hopelessness to have elected such people to office.
Again, please understand that I do not condone violence nor do I know of an easy solution to the issue, NOR do I believe that the Palestinian point of view is correct I just believe that we should look at all angles.
2. Your right! And I have yet to say anything Anti-Israeli. All Israel did was exist, which is the point I made in the first place. I am making the point that each side has points. The Arab/Palestinian point in this case is that the land Israel controls..right or wrong is disputed for one reason or another.
3. THEY, THEY, THEY!!! What is amazing when we are talking about terrorists...
We tend to lump all Muslims as terrorists. We must not generalize if we are to solve bigotry and discrimination throughout the world. The Irish Republican Army blew stuff up for years and yet I am pretty sure no one was labeling Catholics as terrorists. I am a Catholic and couldn't imagine a person calling me a terrorist. I believe that most people are good and reasonable. The Muslim religion is, at heart, a peaceful religion that practices some of the same core beliefs as Christianity. This is what your doing...with all due respect.
There are many bad people in this world, Timothy McVee was a Christian and a terrorist. These people are extremeists no matter what religion they are.
Beth, if the people of Palestine elected Hamas to represent them, so be it. That is their choice. I have to believe that there was a reason that they thought they MUST do it. No one wants violence or war. Those of us with children know this. There is an underlying issue of hopelessness to have elected such people to office.
Again, please understand that I do not condone violence nor do I know of an easy solution to the issue, NOR do I believe that the Palestinian point of view is correct I just believe that we should look at all angles.
37g joe
Member
I should get my brother in law on here he is palastinan but his family converted to christanity. They are quite open to teling you that thier ancestors came over from countries such as turkey Iran syria and lebanon in the mid 1800's when thier was alot of money coming into Israel when alot more Jews where returning back to thier homeland alot of arabs in the suroundind poor nations came thier to work it was at that point in time aprt of the dying otomon empire. But most ot the people we reconize as palastinians have not even benn in that land for 200 years. thier where a few bedouin tribes that have been thier in that area which where nomadic moving through out that region. But those Tribes have been absorbed by that Great influx of Arabs that came into the countri prior its establishment. Now it is a difficult situation I really cant see us making them go back to thier countrie of origin it would be like us here in the U.S to be mandated to go back to our countries of origins. The Fact is that thier has been an unbroken exsitance of jews in that land for thousands of Years Even though for the last 2000 years it was quite minimal they still exsited in that land.
Here is a list of the rules and regulations that Jews had to indure in Jeruslam which did have a population of arabs jews' and christians and was controlled by many different nations during different times. starting in 717 a.D
*Jews could not ride on horses or camels (and only on Donkeys with a saddle)
*They could not Build synagogues.
*Thier shoes had to be different from those of Muslims
* If struck by a Muslim they could not strike Back.
*They Where not sapose to employ Muslims.
*Thier Houses and tombs could not be Higher than those of Muslims(the Graves had to be level with the ground so people could walk on them)
*They could not learn or be taught the Qur'an
* Thier sworn Testimony was not admissible in islamic courts.
*Jews had to stand in the presence of any Muslim as a show of respect.
*They had to Accommodate any Muslim traveler for three days free of charge.
according to the intenational Herald Tribue on april 15 1854 the population of Jeruslaem was 8000 jews and 4000 muslim
most of this Data is from the book
Unholy War: America, Israel, and Radical islam By: Randall Price.
Here is a list of the rules and regulations that Jews had to indure in Jeruslam which did have a population of arabs jews' and christians and was controlled by many different nations during different times. starting in 717 a.D
*Jews could not ride on horses or camels (and only on Donkeys with a saddle)
*They could not Build synagogues.
*Thier shoes had to be different from those of Muslims
* If struck by a Muslim they could not strike Back.
*They Where not sapose to employ Muslims.
*Thier Houses and tombs could not be Higher than those of Muslims(the Graves had to be level with the ground so people could walk on them)
*They could not learn or be taught the Qur'an
* Thier sworn Testimony was not admissible in islamic courts.
*Jews had to stand in the presence of any Muslim as a show of respect.
*They had to Accommodate any Muslim traveler for three days free of charge.
according to the intenational Herald Tribue on april 15 1854 the population of Jeruslaem was 8000 jews and 4000 muslim
most of this Data is from the book
Unholy War: America, Israel, and Radical islam By: Randall Price.
37g joe
Member
Originally Posted by UKCATS
We tend to lump all Muslims as terrorists. We must not generalize if we are to solve bigotry and discrimination throughout the world. The Irish Republican Army blew stuff up for years and yet I am pretty sure no one was labeling Catholics as terrorists. I am a Catholic and couldn't imagine a person calling me a terrorist. I believe that most people are good and reasonable. The Muslim religion is, at heart, a peaceful religion that practices some of the same core beliefs as Christianity. This is what your doing...with all due respect.
But the Bilbe does not tell us to go out and kill and fight non Christians. Here are some verses from the Quran.
9:5
But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
9:123 "O you who believe, fight those of the unbelievers near you and let them see how harsh you can be. Know that Allah is with the righteous."
8:65
O Prophet! rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers: for these are a people without understanding.
8:74
Those who believe, and adopt exile, and fight for the Faith, in the cause of Allah as well as those who give (them) asylum and aid,- these are (all) in very truth the Believers: for them is the forgiveness of sins and a provision most generous.
8:37
In order that Allah may separate the impure from the pure, put the impure, one on another, heap them together, and cast them into Hell. They will be the ones to have lost.
2:191
And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.
8:12
Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."
5:51
O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.
8:15
O ye who believe! when ye meet the Unbelievers in hostile array, never turn your backs to them. 8:16 If any do turn his back to them on such a day - unless it be in a stratagem of war, or to retreat to a troop (of his own)- he draws on himself the wrath of Allah, and his abode is Hell,- an evil refuge (indeed)!
I could Post many many more Verces From the Quran but I think I made my point. We need to be watchful and Know where the hostility is coming from.
We tend to lump all Muslims as terrorists. We must not generalize if we are to solve bigotry and discrimination throughout the world. The Irish Republican Army blew stuff up for years and yet I am pretty sure no one was labeling Catholics as terrorists. I am a Catholic and couldn't imagine a person calling me a terrorist. I believe that most people are good and reasonable. The Muslim religion is, at heart, a peaceful religion that practices some of the same core beliefs as Christianity. This is what your doing...with all due respect.
But the Bilbe does not tell us to go out and kill and fight non Christians. Here are some verses from the Quran.
9:5
But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
9:123 "O you who believe, fight those of the unbelievers near you and let them see how harsh you can be. Know that Allah is with the righteous."
8:65
O Prophet! rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers: for these are a people without understanding.
8:74
Those who believe, and adopt exile, and fight for the Faith, in the cause of Allah as well as those who give (them) asylum and aid,- these are (all) in very truth the Believers: for them is the forgiveness of sins and a provision most generous.
8:37
In order that Allah may separate the impure from the pure, put the impure, one on another, heap them together, and cast them into Hell. They will be the ones to have lost.
2:191
And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.
8:12
Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."
5:51
O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.
8:15
O ye who believe! when ye meet the Unbelievers in hostile array, never turn your backs to them. 8:16 If any do turn his back to them on such a day - unless it be in a stratagem of war, or to retreat to a troop (of his own)- he draws on himself the wrath of Allah, and his abode is Hell,- an evil refuge (indeed)!
I could Post many many more Verces From the Quran but I think I made my point. We need to be watchful and Know where the hostility is coming from.
chipmaker
Active Member
Lumping all folks of one belief into a catagory may be worng, as is ethnic profiling, but IMNSHO its a far sight better to pi$$ of a given race or group than to have multitudes of dead to bury or live in fear. Its a lot easier to say keep an eye on group of folks that are Muslims in general, than to try and single out individuals, so beit if yur black, white arab or whatever, if your muslim your being watched and singled out until the mess is straightened out. Plain and simple.......I just can not feel any sympathy for any Palestinian or Lebanese as they ask for what they got, by non-compliance.......Deep down, weather they actually support what Hezbolla and Hamas is doing, right now or now, they more than likely will be dancing in the streets just the same when they find the rockets took out an zionist.....The amount of lebanese or palestinians that would actually distance themselves form the bad guys is pretty darn small, and not sufficieint to make any difference one way or another......but odds are deep down they are for their own kind......not the welfare of a jew or westerner by anymeans. Those arabs prove time and time again, they are just a step above that of an animal, no matter what contry they come from or how much education they have.......and I appologize to all of the animals out there throwing arabs into their catagory.
37g joe
Member
while I was in College I took World religions clases and clases on Islam. The Fact is 99% of non muslims have never read a single verse from the Quran but when you start to it is quite scary hole sections are dedicated to comanding muslims to kill non muslims to create Terror and destruction but in the mean while the media proclaims that the quran has no such teachings and that it comes from radical clerics. Muhamid him self would Have raiding parties that would Attack traveling caravans They would butcher everyone to get at thier Trade goods. Saposadly for the sake of Allah. He would attack Innocent people so he could plunder them. And it did not mater to him if women and children where apart of those Caravans he would butcher them along with the men.
37g joe
Member
Originally Posted by zman1
Interesting quote by Israel's UN ambassador " It is politically incorrect to say every Muslim is a terrorist, but every terrorist is Muslim"
From their perspective.
Not all christians tithe or evangalize. Not all jews remain Kosher. Not all Buhdists Chant. And Yes Not every muslim Is a terroist but The Koran Does instruct them to kill all Infidels such as the bible instructs christians to Tithe. To pretand that their Source of teroism lies somewhere other than The Koran is a fatal Mistake. I encourage every one in here to read the koran and I well no longer need to convice you of what they are instructed to do to us.
Interesting quote by Israel's UN ambassador " It is politically incorrect to say every Muslim is a terrorist, but every terrorist is Muslim"
From their perspective.
Not all christians tithe or evangalize. Not all jews remain Kosher. Not all Buhdists Chant. And Yes Not every muslim Is a terroist but The Koran Does instruct them to kill all Infidels such as the bible instructs christians to Tithe. To pretand that their Source of teroism lies somewhere other than The Koran is a fatal Mistake. I encourage every one in here to read the koran and I well no longer need to convice you of what they are instructed to do to us.
chipmaker
Active Member
no need nor any desire to read the Koran.......I already have my mind made up, Islam needs to be a banned religion at least in the USA and all muslims need to be placed in one spot and retained there........I may come off sounding something like Hitler and his cronies may have sounded like, but I have had my fill of muslims and their &%$%$@ beliefs being imposed on me or die for not being compliant....I say let em eat cake, kill em all and let god or allah sort out the good ones.......other than that, I have no use for any Arab..PERIOD.
schneidts
Active Member
Originally Posted by chipmaker
no need nor any desire to read the Koran.......I already have my mind made up, Islam needs to be a banned religion at least in the USA and all muslims need to be placed in one spot and retained there........I may come off sounding something like Hitler and his cronies may have sounded like, but I have had my fill of muslims and their &%$%$@ beliefs being imposed on me or die for not being compliant....I say let em eat cake, kill em all and let god or allah sort out the good ones.......other than that, I have no use for any Arab..PERIOD.
Wow.
no need nor any desire to read the Koran.......I already have my mind made up, Islam needs to be a banned religion at least in the USA and all muslims need to be placed in one spot and retained there........I may come off sounding something like Hitler and his cronies may have sounded like, but I have had my fill of muslims and their &%$%$@ beliefs being imposed on me or die for not being compliant....I say let em eat cake, kill em all and let god or allah sort out the good ones.......other than that, I have no use for any Arab..PERIOD.
Wow.
chipmaker
Active Member
Flame away. I am just tired of all this crap the Arabs and Muslims stir up.If it was the KKK or another infringing on my rights and beliefs or health and safety then I would feel the same way about them too....which I actually do feel that way about. Each and every day I have less use for any of these Arabs or muslims or the other imposing radical groups. I do not view myself as a radical, I am merely venting and saying how you feel is not the same as acting out how you feel........Its plain to see, Arabs and Islam is a curse on all life that is not their way, and its always going to be that way. Its a cancer, and unless its cut out completely, its never gonna stop. It maya lay dormant for a while but its still there only to erupt again later........What class of folks actually go to a site and view a dead soliders leg an then have a big party and good time over it......They are sick, indiscriminate animals and I have no compassion for any of them no matter what befalls them.....Trust me, I had no compasion for Tim McVeigh or any of his types either. If given the chance I gladly would have gave the injection or pulled the switch or kicked the chair out from under them......
whitey_028
Member
I think America could learn alot from Israel. After Sept11 we should have made a nice golf course out of the iraqs just as Israel is doing to them. We tolerate too much crap here for "diplomatic reasons"
schneidts
Active Member
Originally Posted by chipmaker
Flame away. I am just tired of all this crap the Arabs and Muslims stir up.If it was the KKK or another infringing on my rights and beliefs or health and safety then I would feel the same way about them too....which I actually do feel that way about. Each and every day I have less use for any of these Arabs or muslims or the other imposing radical groups. I do not view myself as a radical, I am merely venting and saying how you feel is not the same as acting out how you feel........Its plain to see, Arabs and Islam is a curse on all life that is not their way, and its always going to be that way. Its a cancer, and unless its cut out completely, its never gonna stop. It maya lay dormant for a while but its still there only to erupt again later........What class of folks actually go to a site and view a dead soliders leg an then have a big party and good time over it......They are sick, indiscriminate animals and I have no compassion for any of them no matter what befalls them.....Trust me, I had no compasion for Tim McVeigh or any of his types either. If given the chance I gladly would have gave the injection or pulled the switch or kicked the chair out from under them......
Ahh, but there is a huge difference. Tim McVeigh was a white Anglo-Saxon American, but I don't hear you saying all white Anglo-Saxon Americans are trouble, and should be rounded up and killed, because they must all share the views of that extremist. I understand and share your frustration with the Islamo-fascists, but you are making poor generalizations that are the basis for racism and prejudice...the majority of muslims are peacful and do not agree with the extremists.
Flame away. I am just tired of all this crap the Arabs and Muslims stir up.If it was the KKK or another infringing on my rights and beliefs or health and safety then I would feel the same way about them too....which I actually do feel that way about. Each and every day I have less use for any of these Arabs or muslims or the other imposing radical groups. I do not view myself as a radical, I am merely venting and saying how you feel is not the same as acting out how you feel........Its plain to see, Arabs and Islam is a curse on all life that is not their way, and its always going to be that way. Its a cancer, and unless its cut out completely, its never gonna stop. It maya lay dormant for a while but its still there only to erupt again later........What class of folks actually go to a site and view a dead soliders leg an then have a big party and good time over it......They are sick, indiscriminate animals and I have no compassion for any of them no matter what befalls them.....Trust me, I had no compasion for Tim McVeigh or any of his types either. If given the chance I gladly would have gave the injection or pulled the switch or kicked the chair out from under them......
Ahh, but there is a huge difference. Tim McVeigh was a white Anglo-Saxon American, but I don't hear you saying all white Anglo-Saxon Americans are trouble, and should be rounded up and killed, because they must all share the views of that extremist. I understand and share your frustration with the Islamo-fascists, but you are making poor generalizations that are the basis for racism and prejudice...the majority of muslims are peacful and do not agree with the extremists.
mrdc
Active Member
From my local paper:
What is Hezbollah: An Explainer
The group called Hezbollah is on the U.S. State Department's list of terrorist organizations, but also participates in the Lebanese government. A few facts on the organization:
Hezbollah is a Shiite militant group in Lebanon.
The group was founded in 1982 in response to the Israeli invasion of Lebanon.
It opposes Israel and the West, and supports a fundamentalist Muslim government.
Hezbollah is regarded by the U.S. and Israel as a terrorist organization. It is dedicated to eliminating Israel and has formally advocated ultimate establishment of Islamic rule in Lebanon, according to the U.S. State Department.
It garners popular support among Lebanese by setting up schools, hospitals and other social services.
It has become a social/political movement, holding 14 seats in the 128-member Lebanese parliament, according to the parliament's Web site.
The word "hezbollah" means "party of God" in Arabic.
Sheik Hassan Nasrallah is the head of Hezbollah.
Hezbollah fighters operate with almost total autonomy in southern Lebanon, and the government has no control over their actions, according to The Associated Press. But Lebanon has long resisted international pressure to disarm the group.
Hezbollah has often launched shells and fired rockets into northern Israel and into the disputed Shebaa Farms area.
Islamic Resistance is the name of Hezbollah's military wing.
Hezbollah is known or suspected to have been involved in numerous terror attacks against the U.S., Israel or other Western targets, including the 1983 suicide truck bombings in Beirut that killed 241 U.S. Marines at the Marine barracks and 58 at the French military barracks.
The United States and Israel say that Hezbollah is given financial and political assistance, as well as weapons and training, from Iran and Syria. Syria says it supports Hezbollah, but denies supplying it with weapons.
It absorbed most of the 1980s umbrella coalition of terrorist groups known as Islamic Jihad, according to Jane's Terrorism and Insurgency Center.
In 2004, Hezbollah exchanged prisoners with Israel in a deal that took three years to negotiate. Israel released more than 400 prisoners and returned 59 bodies of Lebanese fighters. Hezbollah released a kidnapped Israeli businessman and the bodies of three Israeli soldiers.
The 1996 suicide bombing of the Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia, in which 19 are killed, was attributed to Hezbollah.
Hezbollah was blamed for the 1994 bombing of a Jewish community center in Argentina, in which 85 were killed.
The State Department estimates Hezbollah has "several thousand supporters and a few hundred terrorist operatives."
What is Hezbollah: An Explainer
The group called Hezbollah is on the U.S. State Department's list of terrorist organizations, but also participates in the Lebanese government. A few facts on the organization:
Hezbollah is a Shiite militant group in Lebanon.
The group was founded in 1982 in response to the Israeli invasion of Lebanon.
It opposes Israel and the West, and supports a fundamentalist Muslim government.
Hezbollah is regarded by the U.S. and Israel as a terrorist organization. It is dedicated to eliminating Israel and has formally advocated ultimate establishment of Islamic rule in Lebanon, according to the U.S. State Department.
It garners popular support among Lebanese by setting up schools, hospitals and other social services.
It has become a social/political movement, holding 14 seats in the 128-member Lebanese parliament, according to the parliament's Web site.
The word "hezbollah" means "party of God" in Arabic.
Sheik Hassan Nasrallah is the head of Hezbollah.
Hezbollah fighters operate with almost total autonomy in southern Lebanon, and the government has no control over their actions, according to The Associated Press. But Lebanon has long resisted international pressure to disarm the group.
Hezbollah has often launched shells and fired rockets into northern Israel and into the disputed Shebaa Farms area.
Islamic Resistance is the name of Hezbollah's military wing.
Hezbollah is known or suspected to have been involved in numerous terror attacks against the U.S., Israel or other Western targets, including the 1983 suicide truck bombings in Beirut that killed 241 U.S. Marines at the Marine barracks and 58 at the French military barracks.
The United States and Israel say that Hezbollah is given financial and political assistance, as well as weapons and training, from Iran and Syria. Syria says it supports Hezbollah, but denies supplying it with weapons.
It absorbed most of the 1980s umbrella coalition of terrorist groups known as Islamic Jihad, according to Jane's Terrorism and Insurgency Center.
In 2004, Hezbollah exchanged prisoners with Israel in a deal that took three years to negotiate. Israel released more than 400 prisoners and returned 59 bodies of Lebanese fighters. Hezbollah released a kidnapped Israeli businessman and the bodies of three Israeli soldiers.
The 1996 suicide bombing of the Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia, in which 19 are killed, was attributed to Hezbollah.
Hezbollah was blamed for the 1994 bombing of a Jewish community center in Argentina, in which 85 were killed.
The State Department estimates Hezbollah has "several thousand supporters and a few hundred terrorist operatives."
team2jndd
Active Member
Originally Posted by chipmaker
Flame away. I am just tired of all this crap the Arabs and Muslims stir up.If it was the KKK or another infringing on my rights and beliefs or health and safety then I would feel the same way about them too....which I actually do feel that way about. Each and every day I have less use for any of these Arabs or muslims or the other imposing radical groups. I do not view myself as a radical, I am merely venting and saying how you feel is not the same as acting out how you feel........Its plain to see, Arabs and Islam is a curse on all life that is not their way, and its always going to be that way. Its a cancer, and unless its cut out completely, its never gonna stop. It maya lay dormant for a while but its still there only to erupt again later........What class of folks actually go to a site and view a dead soliders leg an then have a big party and good time over it......They are sick, indiscriminate animals and I have no compassion for any of them no matter what befalls them.....Trust me, I had no compasion for Tim McVeigh or any of his types either. If given the chance I gladly would have gave the injection or pulled the switch or kicked the chair out from under them......
So because you have "no use for them" and they get you cranky we should kill them all. How can you say you are not being radical? I have no use for you either, should I wait until you piss me off so I can have you killed? Who are you to place somebody's right to live against your own set of standards? Each individual has independant beliefs and morals which is what sets them apart from the rest of the masses. It is ignorant narrowmindedness that cause these conflicts in the first place. I go to school with a number of Arab Muslims and I can promise you that they will not be strapping a bomb to their chest any time soon. Just because the Quran can be quoted with passages that inspire violence does not mean all of its followers are going to follow it. How many christians do you know that can recite the bible? People are born into religion. You learn from the examples you observe. It is the same for muslims.
Flame away. I am just tired of all this crap the Arabs and Muslims stir up.If it was the KKK or another infringing on my rights and beliefs or health and safety then I would feel the same way about them too....which I actually do feel that way about. Each and every day I have less use for any of these Arabs or muslims or the other imposing radical groups. I do not view myself as a radical, I am merely venting and saying how you feel is not the same as acting out how you feel........Its plain to see, Arabs and Islam is a curse on all life that is not their way, and its always going to be that way. Its a cancer, and unless its cut out completely, its never gonna stop. It maya lay dormant for a while but its still there only to erupt again later........What class of folks actually go to a site and view a dead soliders leg an then have a big party and good time over it......They are sick, indiscriminate animals and I have no compassion for any of them no matter what befalls them.....Trust me, I had no compasion for Tim McVeigh or any of his types either. If given the chance I gladly would have gave the injection or pulled the switch or kicked the chair out from under them......
So because you have "no use for them" and they get you cranky we should kill them all. How can you say you are not being radical? I have no use for you either, should I wait until you piss me off so I can have you killed? Who are you to place somebody's right to live against your own set of standards? Each individual has independant beliefs and morals which is what sets them apart from the rest of the masses. It is ignorant narrowmindedness that cause these conflicts in the first place. I go to school with a number of Arab Muslims and I can promise you that they will not be strapping a bomb to their chest any time soon. Just because the Quran can be quoted with passages that inspire violence does not mean all of its followers are going to follow it. How many christians do you know that can recite the bible? People are born into religion. You learn from the examples you observe. It is the same for muslims.
chipmaker
Active Member
Originally Posted by team2jndd
So because you have "no use for them" and they get you cranky we should kill them all. How can you say you are not being radical?
I have no use for you either, should I wait until you piss me off so I can have you killed?
who are you to place somebody's right to live against your own set of standards? Each individual has independant beliefs and morals which is what sets them apart from the rest of the masses. It is ignorant narrowmindedness that cause these conflicts in the first place. I go to school with a number of Arab Muslims and I can promise you that they will not be strapping a bomb to their chest any time soon. Just because the Quran can be quoted with passages that inspire violence does not mean all of its followers are going to follow it. How many christians do you know that can recite the bible? People are born into religion. You learn from the examples you observe. It is the same for muslims.
hey jerk, who I am is not any of yur business, now is it., Ou feel froggy if you have no use for me jump dude, your about an real ^&&*(7 anyhow, and if the forum was not moderated I would tell you more than you or any others care to know. You can take all those &*((**& muslims and arabs and shove em where the sun does not shine for all I care. Your entitled to your opinion just as I am entitled to mine, no matter what yu thnk of it, so get the he** over it.........I have no use for the sorry ^&()*&^* one way or another. Odds are if it walks like a duck smells like a duck and sounds like a duck its a duck, and odds are if its an arab and a muslim they have their hands dirty......My belief get over it..I hope the Israelis pounmd the he** out of each and every last oine of those worthless scumbags, and then starts on Syria and Iran. The majority of any white radical group is a far cry minor thing as compared to what the radical arabs do and they all live by the same book of terror.......like I said kill em all and let god sort em out as to is good or bad.....Its my opinion and I am entitled to it if yu don;t like it don;t read my posts, and use that little icon to filterout my posts...its not sa big deal at all..get over it. OUt of all the arabs killed and captured, how many were catholics, How many was jewish, how many were protesant..nont a darn one. They were all muslims......even the scumbag english and austraioian and americans they found fighting with them, they were all muslim converts......and wanna be arabs.
So because you have "no use for them" and they get you cranky we should kill them all. How can you say you are not being radical?
I have no use for you either, should I wait until you piss me off so I can have you killed?
who are you to place somebody's right to live against your own set of standards? Each individual has independant beliefs and morals which is what sets them apart from the rest of the masses. It is ignorant narrowmindedness that cause these conflicts in the first place. I go to school with a number of Arab Muslims and I can promise you that they will not be strapping a bomb to their chest any time soon. Just because the Quran can be quoted with passages that inspire violence does not mean all of its followers are going to follow it. How many christians do you know that can recite the bible? People are born into religion. You learn from the examples you observe. It is the same for muslims.
hey jerk, who I am is not any of yur business, now is it., Ou feel froggy if you have no use for me jump dude, your about an real ^&&*(7 anyhow, and if the forum was not moderated I would tell you more than you or any others care to know. You can take all those &*((**& muslims and arabs and shove em where the sun does not shine for all I care. Your entitled to your opinion just as I am entitled to mine, no matter what yu thnk of it, so get the he** over it.........I have no use for the sorry ^&()*&^* one way or another. Odds are if it walks like a duck smells like a duck and sounds like a duck its a duck, and odds are if its an arab and a muslim they have their hands dirty......My belief get over it..I hope the Israelis pounmd the he** out of each and every last oine of those worthless scumbags, and then starts on Syria and Iran. The majority of any white radical group is a far cry minor thing as compared to what the radical arabs do and they all live by the same book of terror.......like I said kill em all and let god sort em out as to is good or bad.....Its my opinion and I am entitled to it if yu don;t like it don;t read my posts, and use that little icon to filterout my posts...its not sa big deal at all..get over it. OUt of all the arabs killed and captured, how many were catholics, How many was jewish, how many were protesant..nont a darn one. They were all muslims......even the scumbag english and austraioian and americans they found fighting with them, they were all muslim converts......and wanna be arabs.
team2jndd
Active Member
Originally Posted by chipmaker
hey jerk, who I am is not any of yur business, now is it., Ou feel froggy if you have no use for me jump dude, your about an real ^&&*(7 anyhow, and if the forum was not moderated I would tell you more than you or any others care to know. You can take all those &*((**& muslims and arabs and shove em where the sun does not shine for all I care. Your entitled to your opinion just as I am entitled to mine, no matter what yu thnk of it, so get the he** over it.........I have no use for the sorry ^&()*&^* one way or another. Odds are if it walks like a duck smells like a duck and sounds like a duck its a duck, and odds are if its an arab and a muslim they have their hands dirty......My belief get over it..I hope the Israelis pounmd the he** out of each and every last oine of those worthless scumbags, and then starts on Syria and Iran. The majority of any white radical group is a far cry minor thing as compared to what the radical arabs do and they all live by the same book of terror.......like I said kill em all and let god sort em out as to is good or bad.....Its my opinion and I am entitled to it if yu don;t like it don;t read my posts, and use that little icon to filterout my posts...its not sa big deal at all..get over it. OUt of all the arabs killed and captured, how many were catholics, How many was jewish, how many were protesant..nont a darn one. They were all muslims......even the scumbag english and austraioian and americans they found fighting with them, they were all muslim converts......and wanna be arabs.
odds are if it walks like a nutcase smells like a nutcase and sounds like a nutcase its a nutcase. you my friend are one cuhraaaazy fool
hey jerk, who I am is not any of yur business, now is it., Ou feel froggy if you have no use for me jump dude, your about an real ^&&*(7 anyhow, and if the forum was not moderated I would tell you more than you or any others care to know. You can take all those &*((**& muslims and arabs and shove em where the sun does not shine for all I care. Your entitled to your opinion just as I am entitled to mine, no matter what yu thnk of it, so get the he** over it.........I have no use for the sorry ^&()*&^* one way or another. Odds are if it walks like a duck smells like a duck and sounds like a duck its a duck, and odds are if its an arab and a muslim they have their hands dirty......My belief get over it..I hope the Israelis pounmd the he** out of each and every last oine of those worthless scumbags, and then starts on Syria and Iran. The majority of any white radical group is a far cry minor thing as compared to what the radical arabs do and they all live by the same book of terror.......like I said kill em all and let god sort em out as to is good or bad.....Its my opinion and I am entitled to it if yu don;t like it don;t read my posts, and use that little icon to filterout my posts...its not sa big deal at all..get over it. OUt of all the arabs killed and captured, how many were catholics, How many was jewish, how many were protesant..nont a darn one. They were all muslims......even the scumbag english and austraioian and americans they found fighting with them, they were all muslim converts......and wanna be arabs.
odds are if it walks like a nutcase smells like a nutcase and sounds like a nutcase its a nutcase. you my friend are one cuhraaaazy fool